No More Deadlifts

crewboss said:
Hogg do you recommend going to a chiropractor for back problems? deep tissue massage? i was thinking about whether that might be a good idea this morning as i was putting my socks on with the help of a 9 iron.

It is wise to have an x-ray and to correct any alignment problems found. If there is degeneration of discs or fusing/calcium formation on vertebrae, I believe that remediation is unlikely though thick would have to comment on this subject.

I presently see my chiro once a week. My lumbar is soo good that I can hip roll nearly all sciatic conditions away by myself in seconds. I tend to pop rib heads every once in a while in the thoracic section and my cervical spine is slowly gaining its lourdosis (sp) back....but I am in no pain as a result of treatment and my quality of life has improved substantially. I use to always have shoulder problems and after adjusting my cervical spine for about two months, the shoulder problems went away...I believe it was the 5th nerve that was causing a problem....thick?

Anyway, it is worth giving it a shot my friend. A healthy spine is priceless.
 
Hogg said:
Also, work on your core at least once a week, it will help.

Agreed. Bodybuilders tend to have weak core muscles relative to the rest of their body. This imbalance likely contributes to injuries.
 
Hogg is dead on about C5( can also be C6) for neck and shoulder problems. As for DDD and DJD or osteoarthritis. A chiropractor can help discontinue the accumulation of damage. the damage that is done will not be repaired, but its progress can be inhibited substantially and even halted in some cases depending on the cause(genetics, trauma, poor alignment). That is why having a good Lordosis etc is important. If you can restore this than a lot of stress is taken off of the joints and discs. Cervical spine(c/s) and L/S has lordosis. T/S has a kyphosis. These all serve to spread the weight of the body and transfer impact forces. If you have any q's pm me and I will answer them and help you find a good DC in your area. It is conservative and your best chance at relief.
Hogg said:
It is wise to have an x-ray and to correct any alignment problems found. If there is degeneration of discs or fusing/calcium formation on vertebrae, I believe that remediation is unlikely though thick would have to comment on this subject.

I presently see my chiro once a week. My lumbar is soo good that I can hip roll nearly all sciatic conditions away by myself in seconds. I tend to pop rib heads every once in a while in the thoracic section and my cervical spine is slowly gaining its lourdosis (sp) back....but I am in no pain as a result of treatment and my quality of life has improved substantially. I use to always have shoulder problems and after adjusting my cervical spine for about two months, the shoulder problems went away...I believe it was the 5th nerve that was causing a problem....thick?

Anyway, it is worth giving it a shot my friend. A healthy spine is priceless.
 
Also, barring structural problems in one's body that might preclude the activity, the way to a healthy spine may in fact be to deadlift.....

Mind you, if there are no blatant issues with vertebrae or discs and you can comfortably pick up a barbell of 135 pounds, then you are at the beginning of the rejuvenation process. One need not pull 6 or 7 plates .....a plate is fine as long as the lift is comfortable. Over time, through gradual increases in resistance, the erectors will strengthen as will supporting muscles in the upper back and eventually, you might be able to pull 6 or 7 plates without a problem. I guess this should be characterized as Hogg's method...hell, there was a period of time when I couldnt even bent row 95# or squat because of sciatic pain. Today, I do not have those problems. I think that often, people approach deadlifts which too much zeal and load the bar up too heavy. Further, if you find that a certain style of deadlifting, such as romanian, is comfortable and sumo or traditional is not, then just do romanian. Perhaps you find that picking the barbell off the floor is uncomfortable but that you can pull from your up near your knee cap....then use the rack. The key here, at least what I have found, is that no lift should be uncomfortable, it should be smooth and should not cause pain. If you find that you can perform a given lift light but when you load up the bar, it causes pain or discomfort, then dont load up the bar since there is obviously something wrong - a strength imbalance most likely. Stay light, you might feel like an idiot deadlifting a plate but what you feel like is not the issue, the issue is developing strength.

That is a non-medical perspective...moreso common sense than anything else...but obviously if your doctor tells you not to do something, then go with his advice rather than mine.
 
that is what i tried. I was using under 100 lbs lmao. Cant even do it. Mine is not due to lbp. My low back is healthy and strong. It is a majorly f'd up left hip from dislocating it and not properly treating it. I needed surgery but had no insurance and have just lived with it :confused:
Hogg said:
Also, barring structural problems in one's body that might preclude the activity, the way to a healthy spine may in fact be to deadlift.....

Mind you, if there are no blatant issues with vertebrae or discs and you can comfortably pick up a barbell of 135 pounds, then you are at the beginning of the rejuvenation process. One need not pull 6 or 7 plates .....a plate is fine as long as the lift is comfortable. Over time, through gradual increases in resistance, the erectors will strengthen as will supporting muscles in the upper back and eventually, you might be able to pull 6 or 7 plates without a problem. I guess this should be characterized as Hogg's method...hell, there was a period of time when I couldnt even bent row 95# or squat because of sciatic pain. Today, I do not have those problems. I think that often, people approach deadlifts which too much zeal and load the bar up too heavy. Further, if you find that a certain style of deadlifting, such as romanian, is comfortable and sumo or traditional is not, then just do romanian. Perhaps you find that picking the barbell off the floor is uncomfortable but that you can pull from your up near your knee cap....then use the rack. The key here, at least what I have found, is that no lift should be uncomfortable, it should be smooth and should not cause pain. If you find that you can perform a given lift light but when you load up the bar, it causes pain or discomfort, then dont load up the bar since there is obviously something wrong - a strength imbalance most likely. Stay light, you might feel like an idiot deadlifting a plate but what you feel like is not the issue, the issue is developing strength.

That is a non-medical perspective...moreso common sense than anything else...but obviously if your doctor tells you not to do something, then go with his advice rather than mine.
 
thick said:
that is what i tried. I was using under 100 lbs lmao. Cant even do it. Mine is not due to lbp. My low back is healthy and strong. It is a majorly f'd up left hip from dislocating it and not properly treating it. I needed surgery but had no insurance and have just lived with it :confused:

LOL....wrong thread hoss, we're talking about spinal issues, not hips :D


In all seriousness, sorry to hear it. That must have sucked to have been unable to get it fixed.
 
lol yeah it does suck. I am used to the daily pain. I couldnt take the pain that dl's and bo rows caused. With those I was unable to get out of a car, sleep, move, or even breathe w/o breath taking pain. That went on for several months. I still lifted upper body and squats during this time which prolonged my misery. Squats hurt but I can handle it as does running. I shudder to think of my xrays on that hip in a few years ;) . I really need to get out of the boonies and have someone work me over for a few weeks lol
Hogg said:
LOL....wrong thread hoss, we're talking about spinal issues, not hips :D


In all seriousness, sorry to hear it. That must have sucked to have been unable to get it fixed.
 
thick said:
lol yeah it does suck. I am used to the daily pain. I couldnt take the pain that dl's and bo rows caused. With those I was unable to get out of a car, sleep, move, or even breathe w/o breath taking pain. That went on for several months. I still lifted upper body and squats during this time which prolonged my misery. Squats hurt but I can handle it as does running. I shudder to think of my xrays on that hip in a few years ;) . I really need to get out of the boonies and have someone work me over for a few weeks lol


Day 2: I still walk like i got a railroad spike in my back but i'm noticing a little moe range of motion. I'm going to hold off on all dl's and squats for a while, but eventually i will go back with very low weight. The held 275 on the set that I ripped myself on. Not a lot of weight by any means, but yes, I may have been over zealous considering my past back problems. I'll take a few months off, work my core a couple times a week, go light on back days, and maybe try it again with VERY light weight next time. Just a plate a side, and see how it feels. Running has been a bitch for the past few years too, and I don't want to get to a point where I can't get any cardio in, so I plan to take it slow and work back.

I may look into a chiro as well - thick I'll send you a PM for info. Thanks again for the help guys. crew
 
back is better, starting hst next week. actually got some cardio in yesterday, no pain. thx for the help guys. chip keep me posted on your hst gains, the thread is getting me pumped to start. crew
 
that is another great thing about hst. You find yourself really excited about your next w/o. Sometimes with 3 on or 5 day a week programs it gets more monotonous and burn out is a higher possiblility for me anyways.
crewboss said:
back is better, starting hst next week. actually got some cardio in yesterday, no pain. thx for the help guys. chip keep me posted on your hst gains, the thread is getting me pumped to start. crew
 
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