No nuts,No sex drive hcg/clomid wont work!

[caliman714]

Over a year ago I was on deca and wini without test for 3 months.My nuts shriveled and I couldnt get a hard on.I used hcg and clomid repeatedly with no results.Its been over 1 year since I did this deca/wini cycle and Im getting worse not better.5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger. my last clomid dose just recently was 200mgsx10 days and 8,000iu hcg per week x3 weeks.It also did not help any.

I have been to an endocrinologist who refered me to a pituitary specialist because my blood work showed I have very low testosterone and very low growth hormone levels due to a malfunctioning pituitary gland.MRI showed no tumors or anything.My estrogen levels are also high.I started taking nolvadex a few days ago.

I also should mention that I have used anabolics off and on for around 10 years.Im 27 now.I used to take 1000mgs test enthanate for 6 months at a wack.I never had any problems untill I took the wini/deca stack alone 1 year ago.

Is my pituitary permenantly messed up? The docs dont usually deal with steriod cases so they dont even know.All they want to do is start GH replacement therapy and testosterone.All I want is for my natural system to kick back in and NOT to mask the problem with more drugs.Has anyone ever had this same problem or know someone who has? Please tell me how to fix this.Also if anyone can rec a doc that has treated bodybuilders with these problems I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the advice!

 

[GRANVILLE]

Over a year ago I was on deca and wini without test for 3 months.My nuts shriveled and I couldnt get a hard on.I used hcg and clomid repeatedly with no results.Its been over 1 year since I did this deca/wini cycle and Im getting worse not better.5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger. my last clomid dose just recently was 200mgsx10 days and 8,000iu hcg per week x3 weeks.It also did not help any.

I have been to an endocrinologist who refered me to a pituitary specialist because my blood work showed I have very low testosterone and very low growth hormone levels due to a malfunctioning pituitary gland.MRI showed no tumors or anything.My estrogen levels are also high.I started taking nolvadex a few days ago.

I also should mention that I have used anabolics off and on for around 10 years.Im 27 now.I used to take 1000mgs test enthanate for 6 months at a wack.I never had any problems untill I took the wini/deca stack alone 1 year ago.

Is my pituitary permenantly messed up? The docs dont usually deal with steriod cases so they dont even know.All they want to do is start GH replacement therapy and testosterone.All I want is for my natural system to kick back in and NOT to mask the problem with more drugs.Has anyone ever had this same problem or know someone who has? Please tell me how to fix this.Also if anyone can rec a doc that has treated bodybuilders with these problems I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the advice!

I know of several people who have been in the same boat as you, I don't like mentioning hgh activators as they get slammed here, but check out www.growingyoung.co.uk all the people I mentioned above got results in about a month of taking the stuff, there is a u.s.a link as the formula originated in the states, pituatory will kick back in.

 

[ipfan1]

bro, did you just say you took 8,000iu of hcg a week????

that is 8X what is reccomended to take and too much HCG can fuck your nuts up, that is probably what ur problem is. you may have desensitized ur nuts to LH by using all that HCG.

 

[tatt2d]

Over a year ago I was on deca and wini without test for 3 months.My nuts shriveled and I couldnt get a hard on.I used hcg and clomid repeatedly with no results.Its been over 1 year since I did this deca/wini cycle and Im getting worse not better.5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger. my last clomid dose just recently was 200mgsx10 days and 8,000iu hcg per week x3 weeks.It also did not help any.

I have been to an endocrinologist who refered me to a pituitary specialist because my blood work showed I have very low testosterone and very low growth hormone levels due to a malfunctioning pituitary gland.MRI showed no tumors or anything.My estrogen levels are also high.I started taking nolvadex a few days ago.

I also should mention that I have used anabolics off and on for around 10 years.Im 27 now.I used to take 1000mgs test enthanate for 6 months at a wack.I never had any problems untill I took the wini/deca stack alone 1 year ago.

Is my pituitary permenantly messed up? The docs dont usually deal with steriod cases so they dont even know.All they want to do is start GH replacement therapy and testosterone.All I want is for my natural system to kick back in and NOT to mask the problem with more drugs.Has anyone ever had this same problem or know someone who has? Please tell me how to fix this.Also if anyone can rec a doc that has treated bodybuilders with these problems I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the advice!

HERE'S A DOC FOR YOU. I found this in a thread titled, "doc visit". This was posted by BOB SMITH: "Also, check out www.allthingsmale.com and see if he is still taking AAS clients. He is one of our Mods and is willing to work with AAS athletes to ensure their health." I hope this helps you.

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[demeurj]

Did you fully inform the endocrinologist about your polypharmacy history?

 

[P-DOG]

bro, did you just say you took 8,000iu of hcg a week????

that is 8X what is reccomended to take and too much HCG can fuck your nuts up, that is probably what ur problem is. you may have desensitized ur nuts to LH by using all that HCG.

that pretty much sums it up. hcg if used at all should be used to avoid testicular atrophy while on, not after.

also clomid for only 8-10 days? you need to be on it for months.

 

[Ronin_]

I would definitely go to All things male.

It's funny as 10 or even 5 years ago the idea you could permamently affect your HPTA was not known at all, at least I never heard of it.

 

[caliman714]

I did

Did you fully inform the endocrinologist about your polypharmacy history?

Yes I definately did.

 

[caliman714]

Thanks

HERE'S A DOC FOR YOU. I found this in a thread titled, "doc visit". This was posted by BOB SMITH: "Also, check out www.allthingsmale.com and see if he is still taking AAS clients. He is one of our Mods and is willing to work with AAS athletes to ensure their health." I hope this helps you.

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Thanks I'll check it out right now.

 

[ad234]

Thanks I'll check it out right now.

Good luck bro. Just know that clomid is a relatively safe drug for long-term use. 8-10 days is not enough, especially for your situation. I've got bros in their mid-twenties who needed clomid for 2-3 months before they felt normal again. I'm a geezer at 31, it will probably take me forever to recover from my current cycle, LOL. Also, you might want to check out that article floating around showing nolvadex to be superior at upregulating the HPTA than clomid, interesting read. Good luck.

 

[big rob]

If I am not mistaken, the guiy to ask is Swale..... I saw him post a while ago. Do a search and get in touch with him. Allthingsmale is his site so you may get to him through there...... Tell him Big Rob says hello......

 

[Irongiant]

that pretty much sums it up. hcg if used at all should be used to avoid testicular atrophy while on, not after.

also clomid for only 8-10 days? you need to be on it for months.

I'm not sure if Swale or the other doctors would agree with that. Hcg does work good while on cycle, however it is definately one of the tools that might be used to bring back the testes.

 

[Musher]

Try Nolvadex

I'm not sure if Swale or the other doctors would agree with that. Hcg does work good while on cycle, however it is definately one of the tools that might be used to bring back the testes.

Try Nolvadex @ 80-100mg ED. It worked for me when I had a similar problem. Although your problem seems more complicated then what a lil' nolv can solv.

I recommend GH therapy. Atleast that will help you diagnose whether or not that is the problem.

 

[caliman714]

Thanks

Try Nolvadex @ 80-100mg ED. It worked for me when I had a similar problem. Although your problem seems more complicated then what a lil' nolv can solv.

I recommend GH therapy. Atleast that will help you diagnose whether or not that is the problem.

I thank you all for your advice.I will let you know about my progress so when its all over, you can learn from my misfortune.

 

[NDK]

There is a point here where you seek the help of a real MD who is a specialist in AAS users. Swale and All Things Male is a good place to start, or a teaching hospital or clinic where you can often find super specialists. And for god sake don't self treat anymore and don't touch the AAS until you take care of your current condition.

"5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger."

And if you had begin to restart your HPTA the above protocol almost certainly shut you back down completely. I have said this before and got flamed. But it takes longer than most realize to recover natural test production. Months and months and sometimes years to be fully back to normal. Even with HCG and Clomid, which are only partially effective at restoring HPTA functions. I know guys balk at this but they are in my experience the ones who base there recovery on observation and not blood tests. Please keep us up dated on how this pans out bro. It is a harsh reminder of what can happen, we can learn from this. Good luck bro.

 

[Manuel_Hung]

strange that the HCG did not bring back the testis size...Many say use no more than 500 iu's a day because of damage to the leydig cells of the testes....but 8,000 a week is not an outrageous number ( a little over 1000iu's a day)....definately look up Swale....probably one of the brightes minds out there for HRT....Nandi is also a fantastic resource...

Good luck...that has to be frustrating as hell!

 

[KTCKSports]

Can you run HCG during your off cycle? Will that help?

thanks
K-

strange that the HCG did not bring back the testis size...Many say use no more than 500 iu's a day because of damage to the leydig cells of the testes....but 8,000 a week is not an outrageous number ( a little over 1000iu's a day)....definately look up Swale....probably one of the brightes minds out there for HRT....Nandi is also a fantastic resource...

Good luck...that has to be frustrating as hell!

 

[NDK]

Can you run HCG during your off cycle? Will that help?

thanks
K-

Often it does. However it depends on the degree of shutdown and how the individual responds. Sometimes the system gets so shut down that the body never produces any natural Test. Then HRT is the only option. Below is a link to the package insert for Profasi HCG in English, and shows some methods of administration for hypogonadism.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/Package%20Insert/HCG.pdf

 

[KTCKSports]

That's good news. My drive is still down but not as bad as it was. I have some HCG on order and I will see what 1500 IU's will do.

Often it does. However it depends on the degree of shutdown and how the individual responds. Sometimes the system gets so shut down that the body never produces any natural Test. Then HRT is the only option. Below is a link to the package insert for Profasi HCG in English, and shows some methods of administration for hypogonadism.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/Package%20Insert/HCG.pdf

 

[P-DOG]

I'm not sure if Swale or the other doctors would agree with that. Hcg does work good while on cycle, however it is definately one of the tools that might be used to bring back the testes.

well thats the whole idea. if you use hcg while on, say for example a weekend protocol of 500iu per day, you avoid testicular atrophy in the first place. therefore post cycle there is no need for it. if you are using hcg after the cycle you run the risk of shutting yourself down further. in that case, it is the same as being on.