i have read several people recommending nolvodex over clomid post cycle to help hpta recovery.the impression i got was that nolvodex caused less side effects than clomid especially mentally.could you please elaborate.is nolvodex just as effective for hpta recovery and at what dosage and duration is recommended.hypothetically could arimidex be used post cycle for hpta recovery if so what dosage not to shut down estrogen production to zero as ihave read leads to many side effects.could low doses of proviron say 25 to 50 mg be used to bump up androgens post cycle while on clomid or nolvodex as i have read it has little suppression of hpta.
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nolvodex or cloid post cycle?
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take nolvadex
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forbodybuilders said:take nolvadex
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I've always gone with clomid post cycle...Although I'm interested in knowing whether you feel the nolva helps you recover better for PCT or do you just dislike the sides that clomid can present? Also, how much nolva do you usually run PCT? I may be inclined to try nolva if it actually works better
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joe5572
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Good article--
Good article on that--
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/i6clomid.html
wolfman said:I've always gone with clomid post cycle...Although I'm interested in knowing whether you feel the nolva helps you recover better for PCT or do you just dislike the sides that clomid can present? Also, how much nolva do you usually run PCT? I may be inclined to try nolva if it actually works better
-wolfman
Good article on that--
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/i6clomid.html
FreakyFreddy
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forbodybuilders said:take nolvadex
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Proviron is suppressive so a bad idea.
100mg of clomid ED with 20mg nolvas for 8 weeks is a good PCT it has always worked for this flamig homo, and i get blood tests done!!
Haggard
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i just use clomid along with nolvadex...The only sides i get from clomid is fucked up vision at night
joe5572
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Haggard said:
I just take the Clomid right before bed and never seem to have any emotional or visional problems.
clomid and nolva are of the same chemical family (triphenylethylenes) so its pointless to take both. nolva has less sides because its effective in lower doses compared to clomid, so i'd go with nolva any day.
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satchboogie
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i've seen many studies proving that 20mg nolvadex per day is much safer and as efficient as 100mg clomid.
for me.. NOLVADEX!
for me.. NOLVADEX!
Clomid sales are still double that of nolva.
I think it's safe to say the silent masses still prefer Clo
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I think it's safe to say the silent masses still prefer Clo
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I always like to take both. 20mg/ED nolva along with my cloid.
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satchboogie said:
If the studies you've read show that 20mg nolva is similar to 100mg clomid, would you frontload the nolva like clomid? 60mg nolva first day then 20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg/day 'til libido is back, etc.? Peace.
rooster1
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fuck clomid.......it is very hard on the eyes.Nolva is the way to go....Does anyone have a good link to use proviron??I am getting some to help with gyno symptoms and maybe post cycle.
satchboogie
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proviron is a horrible choice for pct as it suppresses.
nolvadex/hcg is the way to go.
add 200mg primo the first 2 weeks.. and 100mg primo for the next 4-6 weeks and you have an outstanding post cycle program.
nolvadex/hcg is the way to go.
add 200mg primo the first 2 weeks.. and 100mg primo for the next 4-6 weeks and you have an outstanding post cycle program.
Everyone seems to favor Nolva over Clomid, and as a newbie who just ordered some, my input may not be worth much, but I have a reason for choosing clomid no one else has mentioned yet.
Nolva is very breast area specific. I don't have a problem with that, as cheap primrose oil 'seems' to work for me (so far).
But Clomid is a general estrogen 'counteragent' which targets more the receptors in the ol pituitary region of the brain, and THAT is a super cool thing, cause you can take HCG to keep your nuts up to size while cycling, and at the end when Test levels drop below normal levels (say 10 days after a cycle), you take the Clomid.
SO, what clomid does that novla doesn't do, is tell your pituitary gland, "Hey man, there isn't enough Testosterone in the body!", so your pituitary gland 'turns on' it's LH production, which tells your nuts to keep producing Test.
So by using HCG and Clomid, your cycle recovery and therefore muscle loss, can be cut way back. You keep your gains.
It isn't a bad idea to take both, cause Novla during the cycle will prevent gyno if you are prone or taking high doses of test. Clomid isn't as good at THAT, but Clomid has incredible advantages of keeping muscle mass after, and to me, that's what this thing is all about. I don't want to be on roids forever, but I'm using them to reach my personal goals a lot faster than through training alone.
In one cycle I got my arms up by 3/4 of an inch, but did no PCT, and lost half of that. I expect to be able to keep 3/4 of it this time, which is a 50% increase, which is worth about 2 or 3 months in the gym at least (and I can never be that injury free normally, so I'm pushing past an envelope my genetics normally wouldn't let me because of tiny joints).
Nolva is very breast area specific. I don't have a problem with that, as cheap primrose oil 'seems' to work for me (so far).
But Clomid is a general estrogen 'counteragent' which targets more the receptors in the ol pituitary region of the brain, and THAT is a super cool thing, cause you can take HCG to keep your nuts up to size while cycling, and at the end when Test levels drop below normal levels (say 10 days after a cycle), you take the Clomid.
SO, what clomid does that novla doesn't do, is tell your pituitary gland, "Hey man, there isn't enough Testosterone in the body!", so your pituitary gland 'turns on' it's LH production, which tells your nuts to keep producing Test.
So by using HCG and Clomid, your cycle recovery and therefore muscle loss, can be cut way back. You keep your gains.
It isn't a bad idea to take both, cause Novla during the cycle will prevent gyno if you are prone or taking high doses of test. Clomid isn't as good at THAT, but Clomid has incredible advantages of keeping muscle mass after, and to me, that's what this thing is all about. I don't want to be on roids forever, but I'm using them to reach my personal goals a lot faster than through training alone.
In one cycle I got my arms up by 3/4 of an inch, but did no PCT, and lost half of that. I expect to be able to keep 3/4 of it this time, which is a 50% increase, which is worth about 2 or 3 months in the gym at least (and I can never be that injury free normally, so I'm pushing past an envelope my genetics normally wouldn't let me because of tiny joints).
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