G.I. Bro
Well-known Member
Hello fellas, I am not new to underground AAS or forums like this. I have an account at Pro Muscle (among others) with the same nick. I have an extensive post history. I point this out only to validate I’m a legit member; not some gimmick account created by someone associated with GRAnabolic or a competitor. I know MesoRX is an unmoderated board when it comes to source talk. IMO, this tends to uncover scammers much easier.
Anyway, the intent of my post is to determine if the Norma amps I received from GRAnabolic in July/Aug of 2014 are in fact real. At the time, I had no idea there was a controversy. I have lurked before I joined and read ALL of the negative posts on GRAnabolic so I do know the history there. I’m well aware of all the allegations and reputation of GRAnabolic /custom here. I have done some research to compare my amps and determine if they are real or counterfeit. Here is the rundown:
1. Being skeptical by nature, I asked GRAnabolic to send all amps in ORIGINAL packaging. He complied. I immediately regretted this because it came in a HUGE box that said Greece on it (not discrete by any means). Each amp was in what looked to be authentic packaging and inserts inside and all. I did not check for holograms with UV or anything, but it seemed legit to me. I discarded the boxes and now regret it. Do counterfeiters often go through the expense to do the packaging to this extent too? Seems counter-productive to making a profit. Colt44 said his had the same packaging and UV revealed the anti-counterfeit holograms. That seems like a bit extensive for a counterfeit operation. Shit by the time you’re done fucking with all that you could have sources real ones and sold them for a profit. It also makes no sense to spend that much money, they put so little test in it that it comes back at 4%. Test powder is dirt cheap. You spend money on UV hologram stickers but not on enough dirt cheap test raws to at least fill it so it comes back at 80%+ or so?! That makes literally no sense. You spend and go all out on packaging and shit but don’t even fill it with any test? It almost seems like more of a smear job than a reality that a counterfeiter would do that.
2. The expiration reads “ Exp. 12/15 “ Lot is 1312073. These are the same dates/lot that Colt44 posted amps of, which he received with boxes, but which he says are bunk (but he’s not really sure???). It looks like we got the same ones, there are slight variances in a few amps but most are identical (dimpled on top, lettering, neck shape, etc.)
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/spotting-counterfeit-amps.134356100/page-3
3. When I compare mine to OTHER photos comparing fake with legit amps, mine “appear” to have the same characteristics as the “real” ones. The amp is perfectly flat on the bottom, it’s not curved as in the pictures in this link (and other fakes I’ve seen on the web). In addition, the top of the amps has a little nipple or dimple on it (but there are a few that seem inconsistent).
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/threads/156208-Fake-and-Real-Norma-Test-E-amps
My amps
Comparison of other real vs. fake Normas
From: https://www.eroids.com/pics/fake-norma-test-enanthate
Again, comparing another post on Eroids, they show some apparently real Norma test E amps with the same expiration and lot number as mine (these from TexxGears) next to some that are fake with a different style expiration. These, like the ones in Colt44’s pics, seem to be real based on this criteria.
1: The Top of the Amp does not have "The Nipple" and is slightly taller.
2: The Neck is a totally different shape. The Genuine amp neck is more bulbous in shape
3: Expiry is in the wrong format of XX.XXXX instead of XX/XX (Some fakes do have the correct date format)
4: The bottom of the amp should be flat. It's concaved on the fake amps.
Again, these are apparently REAL from texxgears (from another member) , look like mind but different lot. https://www.eroids.com/pics/original-pharma-norma-testosterone-enanthate
Again, more Normas from texxgears from another member. Same EXACT LOT and dates as mine. Look the same too.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/texxgears-50-x-genuine-norma-test-e-promo-landed
4. Injected 1 amp in delt, very thick oil like other Pharma test I’ve used (ICN Galenika). No PIP, seemed normal. No pain.
5. GRAnabolic (custom) and his main rep, Majeret, have emailed me back several times assuring me they sent legit amps in the authentic packaging. They say all this is bs started by competitors because they had a hookup on amps direct from factory that made their deals cheaper than everyone else and so competitors were threatened. They are so sure, they say run them a bit, get blood and post the labs and they’ll send 25 more amps free.
At first, after reading this forum I was sure GRanabolic was selling shit. But after looking at other peoples amps that are real (from other sources) it looks like GRAnabolic could have been telling the truth all along? The amps I have meet all the criteria for supposedly being “real” Norma amps and came in original packaging in a god damn box with Greece stamped all over it. I have never been more confused but the amps give no “red flags” for being fake. Thoughts?? I’d gladly send to someone for testing but I feel like odds of someone having access to a mass spec with desire to fuck with this is like zero.
Anyway, the intent of my post is to determine if the Norma amps I received from GRAnabolic in July/Aug of 2014 are in fact real. At the time, I had no idea there was a controversy. I have lurked before I joined and read ALL of the negative posts on GRAnabolic so I do know the history there. I’m well aware of all the allegations and reputation of GRAnabolic /custom here. I have done some research to compare my amps and determine if they are real or counterfeit. Here is the rundown:
1. Being skeptical by nature, I asked GRAnabolic to send all amps in ORIGINAL packaging. He complied. I immediately regretted this because it came in a HUGE box that said Greece on it (not discrete by any means). Each amp was in what looked to be authentic packaging and inserts inside and all. I did not check for holograms with UV or anything, but it seemed legit to me. I discarded the boxes and now regret it. Do counterfeiters often go through the expense to do the packaging to this extent too? Seems counter-productive to making a profit. Colt44 said his had the same packaging and UV revealed the anti-counterfeit holograms. That seems like a bit extensive for a counterfeit operation. Shit by the time you’re done fucking with all that you could have sources real ones and sold them for a profit. It also makes no sense to spend that much money, they put so little test in it that it comes back at 4%. Test powder is dirt cheap. You spend money on UV hologram stickers but not on enough dirt cheap test raws to at least fill it so it comes back at 80%+ or so?! That makes literally no sense. You spend and go all out on packaging and shit but don’t even fill it with any test? It almost seems like more of a smear job than a reality that a counterfeiter would do that.
2. The expiration reads “ Exp. 12/15 “ Lot is 1312073. These are the same dates/lot that Colt44 posted amps of, which he received with boxes, but which he says are bunk (but he’s not really sure???). It looks like we got the same ones, there are slight variances in a few amps but most are identical (dimpled on top, lettering, neck shape, etc.)
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/spotting-counterfeit-amps.134356100/page-3
3. When I compare mine to OTHER photos comparing fake with legit amps, mine “appear” to have the same characteristics as the “real” ones. The amp is perfectly flat on the bottom, it’s not curved as in the pictures in this link (and other fakes I’ve seen on the web). In addition, the top of the amps has a little nipple or dimple on it (but there are a few that seem inconsistent).
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/threads/156208-Fake-and-Real-Norma-Test-E-amps
My amps
Comparison of other real vs. fake Normas
From: https://www.eroids.com/pics/fake-norma-test-enanthate
Again, comparing another post on Eroids, they show some apparently real Norma test E amps with the same expiration and lot number as mine (these from TexxGears) next to some that are fake with a different style expiration. These, like the ones in Colt44’s pics, seem to be real based on this criteria.
1: The Top of the Amp does not have "The Nipple" and is slightly taller.
2: The Neck is a totally different shape. The Genuine amp neck is more bulbous in shape
3: Expiry is in the wrong format of XX.XXXX instead of XX/XX (Some fakes do have the correct date format)
4: The bottom of the amp should be flat. It's concaved on the fake amps.
Again, these are apparently REAL from texxgears (from another member) , look like mind but different lot. https://www.eroids.com/pics/original-pharma-norma-testosterone-enanthate
Again, more Normas from texxgears from another member. Same EXACT LOT and dates as mine. Look the same too.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/texxgears-50-x-genuine-norma-test-e-promo-landed
4. Injected 1 amp in delt, very thick oil like other Pharma test I’ve used (ICN Galenika). No PIP, seemed normal. No pain.
5. GRAnabolic (custom) and his main rep, Majeret, have emailed me back several times assuring me they sent legit amps in the authentic packaging. They say all this is bs started by competitors because they had a hookup on amps direct from factory that made their deals cheaper than everyone else and so competitors were threatened. They are so sure, they say run them a bit, get blood and post the labs and they’ll send 25 more amps free.
At first, after reading this forum I was sure GRanabolic was selling shit. But after looking at other peoples amps that are real (from other sources) it looks like GRAnabolic could have been telling the truth all along? The amps I have meet all the criteria for supposedly being “real” Norma amps and came in original packaging in a god damn box with Greece stamped all over it. I have never been more confused but the amps give no “red flags” for being fake. Thoughts?? I’d gladly send to someone for testing but I feel like odds of someone having access to a mass spec with desire to fuck with this is like zero.
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