Spotting Counterfeit Amps

[Custom]

says the loser in his 50's selling 4% pure amps. maybe I could be in a car accident one day and be you in 20 years, but it would have to be a horrible wreck.

great job repping by the way- "you're an idiot for sure" is a tried and true comeback since the first grade. bravo for brains and professional presentation.

bla bla bla bla says the LE guy. I think I need to go bump that thread to remind the new guys who you really are

 

[brutus79]

bla bla bla bla says the LE guy. I think I need to go bump that thread to remind the new guys who you really are

ohhhhhhh- the thread admin locked because it was bullshit? yea bump it you fucking retard... you and your aids infected partner are fucking done here. we have a new source that will render you useless- he has more pull in in this community than anyone you know put together. bye bye scammer! we will miss the idiotic banter but I relish the sweet scent of your aids infected rotting corpse.

 

[Colt44]

Are the boxes legit Colt in your opinion?

The boxes have the inserts and the anti-counterfeit hologram under UV. Is it the correct hologram? I don't know. Can all of it be faked? Sure. I can't speak for certain on any of it.

At this point, I am completely tired of this Norma bullshit.

 

[brutus79]

If you were gay with a little penis fetish they would be great for shoving in your ass.... sooooooo now we know why the reps are who they are

 

[G.I. Bro]

FWIW here are pictures of the the amps and boxes I received from GR.

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Ya and these all look legit man. I had the same packaging (but I didnt mess with UV). I dont know what to think.


I received these from GRAnabolic in July/Aug of 2014. At the time, I had no idea there was a controversy. I have lurked before I joined and read ALL of the negative posts on GRAnabolic so I do know the history there. I’m well aware of all the allegations and reputation of GRAnabolic /custom here. I have done some research to compare my amps and determine if they are real or counterfeit. Here is the rundown:

1. Being skeptical by nature, I asked GRAnabolic to send all amps in ORIGINAL packaging. He complied. I immediately regretted this because it came in a HUGE box that said Greece on it (not discrete by any means). Each amp was in what looked to be authentic packaging and inserts inside and all. I did not check for holograms with UV or anything, but it seemed legit to me. I discarded the boxes and now regret it. Do counterfeiters often go through the expense to do the packaging to this extend too? Seems counter-productive to making a profit. Colt44 said his had the same packaging and UV revealed the anti-counterfeit holograms. That seems like a bit extensive for a counterfeit operation. Shit by the time you’re done fucking with all that you could have sources real ones and sold them for a profit. It also makes no sense to spend that much money, they put so little test in it that it comes back at 4%. Test powder is dirt cheap. You spend money on UV hologram stickers but not on enough dirt cheap test raws to at least fill it so it comes back at 80%+ or so?! That makes literally no sense. You spend and go all out on packaging and shit but don’t even fill it with any test? It almost seems like more of a smear job than a reality that a counterfeiter would do that.



2. The expiration reads “ Exp. 12/15 “ Lot is 1312073. These are the same dates/lot that Colt44 posted amps of, which he received with boxes, but which he says are bunk (but he’s not really sure???). It looks like we got the same ones, there are slight variances in a few amps but most are identical (dimpled on top, lettering, neck shape, etc.)

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/spotting-counterfeit-amps.134356100/page-3

3. When I compare mine to OTHER photos comparing fake with legit amps, mine “appear” to have the same characteristics as the “real” ones. The amp is perfectly flat on the bottom, it’s not curved as in the pictures in this link (and other fakes I’ve seen on the web). In addition, the top of the amps has a little nipple or dimple on it (but there are a few that seem inconsistent).

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/threads/156208-Fake-and-Real-Norma-Test-E-amps

My amps

Comparison of other real vs. fake Normas

From: https://www.eroids.com/pics/fake-norma-test-enanthate

Again, comparing another post on Eroids, they show some apparently real Norma test E amps with the same expiration and lot number as mine (these from TexxGears) next to some that are fake with a different style expiration. These, like the ones in Colt44’s pics, seem to be real based on this criteria.

1: The Top of the Amp does not have "The Nipple" and is slightly taller.
2: The Neck is a totally different shape. The Genuine amp neck is more bulbous in shape
3: Expiry is in the wrong format of XX.XXXX instead of XX/XX (Some fakes do have the correct date format)
4: The bottom of the amp should be flat. It's concaved on the fake amps.

Again, these are apparently REAL from texxgears (from another member) , look like mind but different lot. https://www.eroids.com/pics/original-pharma-norma-testosterone-enanthate

Again, more Normas from texxgears from another member. Same EXACT LOT and dates as mine. Look the same too.

https://www.eroids.com/pics/texxgears-50-x-genuine-norma-test-e-promo-landed

4. Injected 1 amp in delt, very thick oil like other Pharma test I’ve used (ICN Galenika). No PIP, seemed normal. No pain.

5. GRAnabolic (custom) and his main rep, Majeret, have emailed me back several times assuring me they sent legit amps in the authentic packaging. They say all this is bs started by competitors because they had a hookup on amps direct from factory that made their deals cheaper than everyone else and so competitors were threatened. They are so sure, they say run them a bit, get blood and post the labs and they’ll send 25 more amps free.

At first, after reading this forum I was sure GRanabolic was selling shit. But after looking at other peoples amps that are real (from other sources) it looks like GRAnabolic could have been telling the truth all along? The amps I have meet all the criteria for supposedly being “real” Norma amps and came in original packaging in a god damn box with Greece stamped all over it. I have never been more confused but the amps give no “red flags” for being fake. Thoughts?? I’d gladly send to someone for testing but I feel like odds of someone having access to a mass spec with desire to fuck with this is like zero.

 

[Custom]

G.I. Bro first let me ask do you have blood work? I'm sure you used these amps since you received them so long ago. Second Granabolic would never ship in a box labeled Normas direct from Greece. Most of his gear is shipped from Israel not Greece. Third and last please look at the Texxgear website and then Granabolic, see something? They both pretty much sell the same gear and ship from the same location. Maybe they are one in the same? Do ya think? How did I get all this info? Well I'm sure a couple of members will answer that question for me. Did you know GrAnabolic was selling Bayer Anavar which would be awesome, just one problem.... BAYER DOESN'T MAKE ANAVAR!

 

[Custom]

That's fucking hilarious what you stated. I know exactly who you are now when you claimed Majere was his main rep, you even spelled his name wrong to try to throw me off lol. If I emailed you I don't remember but it's possible. Funny how I got a new member that just pm'd me asking if I still repped for GR and if he could use my name, then you join on Sunday and post this...hahahaha. Don't get me started about all his other gear. Who says pharma test is always thick? Far from the truth. Many people including MAJERE had pip from these amps, but you didn't that's amazing.

 

[G.I. Bro]

That's fucking hilarious what you stated. I know exactly who you are now when you claimed Majere was his main rep, you even spelled his name wrong to try to throw me off lol. If I emailed you I don't remember but it's possible. Funny how I got a new member that just pm'd me asking if I still repped for GR and if he could use my name, then you join on Sunday and post this...hahahaha. Don't get me started about all his other gear. Who says pharma test is always thick? Far from the truth. Many people including MAJERE had pip from these amps, but you didn't that's amazing.

I'm not accusing you or piling it on. We no doubt spoke in email. I misspoke when I said Greece, I meant Israel. But honestly my memory on the box and packaging is fuzzy. I discarded it immediately. I have only run 1 amp because I questioned it after reading this forum. I'm actually saying based on how the amps look and what you told me, packaging etc., I think you may have been wrongly accused. If it's all based on one guy getting bad mass spec results, could have been a smear job. But I'm not sure yet. They could be good counterfeit amps you unwittingly received. I just want the truth. The amps you sent look real compared to all these photos. That is the point of my post, an open discussion on the facts we know and the amp characteristics.

EDIT:
After re-reading this I'm confused. I thought custom was granabolic?? Am I wrong? I was emailed by the rep and have seen his name on this forum. I can assure I'm not associated with any source and have no incentive here other than figuring out if this shits real.

If you look me up on ProM it's clear I'm not associated with anyone and I've been around a while. I didn't just come out of nowhere. Not sure who you think I am.

 

[Custom]

Wait a minute bro....I SENT you those amps, what are you trying to saying here? If I remember correctly you're a member at ASF, did anyone post bloods on these amps there? I haven't seen one but I've seen a lot of bullshit lie like one rep says he uses them for his trt but he told me he has a prescription for his trt. Why would he do that? I sure wouldn't. Not one trusted vet at ASF has come to defend these amps....a bit strange if you ask me.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Wait a minute bro....I SENT you those amps, what are you trying to saying here? If I remember correctly you're a member at ASF, did anyone post bloods on these amps there? I haven't seen one but I've seen a lot of bullshit lie like one rep says he uses them for his trt but he told me he has a prescription for his trt. Why would he do that? I sure wouldn't. Not one trusted vet at ASF has come to defend these amps....a bit strange if you ask me.

I think I was confused. I thought custom/granabolic were the same person. Anyway, these came from granabolic as my initial post States. I have no idea what you're accusing me of. I'm just saying compare the photos of apparently good amps. They match up.

Colt44 you even had the packaging, like I did, with the stickers and uv hologram and you still believe that was counterfeit? Pretty advanced.

 

[Colt44]

I'm not accusing you or piling it on. We no doubt spoke in email. I misspoke when I said Greece, I meant Israel. But honestly my memory on the box and packaging is fuzzy. I discarded it immediately. I have only run 1 amp because I questioned it after reading this forum. I'm actually saying based on how the amps look and what you told me, packaging etc., I think you may have been wrongly accused. If it's all based on one guy getting bad mass spec results, could have been a smear job. But I'm not sure yet. They could be good counterfeit amps you unwittingly received. I just want the truth. The amps you sent look real compared to all these photos. That is the point of my post, an open discussion on the facts we know and the amp characteristics.

EDIT:
After re-reading this I'm confused. I thought custom was granabolic?? Am I wrong? I was emailed by the rep and have seen his name on this forum. I can assure I'm not associated with any source and have no incentive here other than figuring out if this shits real.

If you look me up on ProM it's clear I'm not associated with anyone and I've been around a while. I didn't just come out of nowhere. Not sure who you think I am.

Are you referring to the original MS I posted?

 

[G.I. Bro]

Are you referring to the original MS I posted?

I guess. Are you personally responsible for receiving the product, then getting a mass spec on it? If I recall correctly from posts I read, amps were sent to a 3rd party who did the mass spec, right? And granabolic questioned the integrity of that person and the test being legit.

I'm basically posting and here to be filled in on the accurate chain of events and time line of what happened, not create my own. I'm piecing shit together from old posts so please fill me in on what you believe went down and why you're convinced they are fake despite looking pretty damn legit.

 

[Custom]

I think I was confused. I thought custom/granabolic were the same person. Anyway, these came from granabolic as my initial post States. I have no idea what you're accusing me of. I'm just saying compare the photos of apparently good amps. They match up.

Colt44 you even had the packaging, like I did, with the stickers and uv hologram and you still believe that was counterfeit? Pretty advanced.

Now you're just lying bro because your above post you say reps Custom and Majere. Now you're calling me Gr himself. Then you state they are from Israel now not Greece please get your story straight then make a post because now you're confusing me! All I can say about what you stated about the troubles to make boxes and holograms is that as I said before he was selling Bayer Anavar that came in a Bayer tub and box but they were fake because Bayer doesn't make Anavar so that should answer your question about why guys go through the trouble of making these fake boxes and holograms.....SALES. Look if you want to buy gear from guys that have been caught selling fake gear then I really wish you the best of luck.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Now you're just lying bro because your above post you say reps Custom and Majere. Now you're calling me Gr himself. Then you state they are from Israel now not Greece please get your story straight then make a post because now you're confusing me! All I can say about what you stated about the troubles to make boxes and holograms is that as I said before he was selling Bayer Anavar that came in a Bayer tub and box but they were fake because Bayer doesn't make Anavar so that should answer your question about why guys go through the trouble of making these fake boxes and holograms.....SALES. Look if you want to buy gear from guys that have been caught selling fake gear then I really wish you the best of luck.

Lol, this is hilarious. You're a fucking nut. What am I trying to do then? What's my objective? You're on such attack mode you're not even sure. I'm not attacking granabolic or defending. I'm merely saying it seems odd to get amps in legit packaging, that then look like other legit Norma amps, but not counterfeit ones, then believe they are fake because of a few posts and an alleged mass spec which spread like wildfire. I'm just saying, "hey look these amps look legit, are we sure granabolic wasn't just smeared by a competitor or someone incentivized to make granabolic look bad?" My reaction at first was that they were counterfeit per the majority opinion. But then when I compared the amps and lot # they are identical to other Norma amps, from another source, confirmed as real (allegedly) on eroids.

I couldn't remember what the box said, I thought Greece but when you say Israel that does sound more familiar. I tossed all that shit the same night I got it last summer. I thought granabolic and custom were the same dude and maj was a rep. I recall a custom user from ProM too, but I'm obviously confused I guess. I got email from maj saying they are legit and he uses them for TRT, blah blah. I'm not trying to pull anything. My confusion on who's who may have created that impression. But I'm not lying about anything. This hassle isn't even worth inquiring about the amps. All I was saying is, hey, they look just like fucking real ones, how valid is this alleged mass spec source, etc.

Custom who exactly are you then? I'm ass backwards here. And why are you so intent on proving granabolic is a liar? Do you not agree the amps I got look just like real ones? I'm just trying to figure out the real story here.

I guess since everyone is full of shit these days I have to run them for 3 weeks and get some blood done. I'm not lying, but I obviously don't have all the info / time line straight apparently so educate me then?! Was not aware of the Bayer var issue either.

 

[Colt44]

I guess. Are you personally responsible for receiving the product, then getting a mass spec on it? If I recall correctly from posts I read, amps were sent to a 3rd party who did the mass spec, right? And granabolic questioned the integrity of that person and the test being legit.

I'm basically posting and here to be filled in on the accurate chain of events and time line of what happened, not create my own. I'm piecing shit together from old posts so please fill me in on what you believe went down and why you're convinced they are fake despite looking pretty damn legit.

Those amps were sent for MS after multiple LM tests were performed. The labmax results showed they contained little to no hormone. The "MS/HPLC testing" performed essentially said the same. Can those results be trusted? Doubtful.

So to further prove the product was inferior, it was sent for a 2nd round of testing.

Read this thread. You will see why I don't give a shit what they look like.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/dr-jims-hplc-ms-data.134359740/

 

[G.I. Bro]

Those amps were sent for MS after multiple LM tests were performed. The labmax results showed they contained little to no hormone. The "MS/HPLC testing" performed essentially said the same. Can those results be trusted? Doubtful.

So to further prove the product was inferior, it was sent for a 2nd round of testing.

Read this thread. You will see why I don't give a shit what they look like.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/dr-jims-hplc-ms-data.134359740/

Reviewing that thread, I see you did a lot of homework with these. Much appreciated. Labmax, Dr Jim's MS, etc. I appreciate you posting that.

So in summary, your GrAnabolic amps came in legit packaging, had a uv hologram, looked like real amps in terms of known counterfeits (ours have flat bottom, correct text stamping, neck shape, nipple on top, which all seem legit). These are the same ones I got, which appear to be very good replicas, same lot # etc. And based on you physically sending your amp sample directly to Dr Jim (which was the second MS confirming same) you are certain these are good counterfeit replicas filled at like 4% test E? That is pretty clear to me too. I don't see Dr Jim or you having any incentive or desire to misrepresent results. So I guess that is that.

Considering the hologram and stuff, these are excellent replicas (unlike photos of some of the other fakes). I have never seen replicas this spot on but I'm also no expert in counterfeit stuff. Just goes to show you really have to have a lot of faith in your source. It's possible some of these guys are reselling counterfeits they don't even know are fake!

Thank you Colt44

A few questions raised by this thread:

1. So are texxgears and granabolic the same people? Or just sourcing stuff from some of the same suppliers? There was some implication there.

2. Who exactly is custom? He seems to be attacking granabolic yet I thought he was granabolic. If not, I guess he's a rep (or was)? I have messages on ProM with "custom" about my granabolic order. So he's a rep for them, yet he was attacking me when I was basically calling into question the validity of the public accusations and condemnation AGAINST granabolic? That's ironic. Can't tell friend from foe, eh?

Colt44 has put a lot of time and energy (and probably some $) into validating these amps. That's commendable. If he's not associated with some competitor or something, then this is about all I need to finally toss these amps in the trash.

 

[Custom]

I guess. Are you personally responsible for receiving the product, then getting a mass spec on it? If I recall correctly from posts I read, amps were sent to a 3rd party who did the mass spec, right? And granabolic questioned the integrity of that person and the test being legit.

I'm basically posting and here to be filled in on the accurate chain of events and time line of what happened, not create my own. I'm piecing shit together from old posts so please fill me in on what you believe went down and why you're convinced they are fake despite looking pretty damn legit.

I don't want to step on Colts toes here but I was in the middle of this train wreck and in a nut shell the amps were sent to a member that order them without anyone knowing who that guy was so there would be no question like: oh GR knew he was sending out amps so he made sure

Reviewing that thread, I see you did a lot of homework with these. Much appreciated. Labmax, Dr Jim's MS, etc. I appreciate you posting that.

So in summary, your GrAnabolic amps came in legit packaging, had a uv hologram, looked like real amps in terms of known counterfeits (ours have flat bottom, correct text stamping, neck shape, nipple on top, which all seem legit). These are the same ones I got, which appear to be very good replicas, same lot # etc. And based on you physically sending your amp sample directly to Dr Jim (which was the second MS confirming same) you are certain these are good counterfeit replicas filled at like 4% test E? That is pretty clear to me too. I don't see Dr Jim or you having any incentive or desire to misrepresent results. So I guess that is that.

Considering the hologram and stuff, these are excellent replicas (unlike photos of some of the other fakes). I have never seen replicas this spot on but I'm also no expert in counterfeit stuff. Just goes to show you really have to have a lot of faith in your source. It's possible some of these guys are reselling counterfeits they don't even know are fake!

Thank you Colt44

A few questions raised by this thread:

1. So are texxgears and granabolic the same people? Or just sourcing stuff from some of the same suppliers? There was some implication there.

2. Who exactly is custom? He seems to be attacking granabolic yet I thought he was granabolic. If not, I guess he's a rep (or was)? I have messages on ProM with "custom" about my granabolic order. So he's a rep for them, yet he was attacking me when I was basically calling into question the validity of the public accusations and condemnation AGAINST granabolic? That's ironic. Can't tell friend from foe, eh?

Colt44 has put a lot of time and energy (and probably some $) into validating these amps. That's commendable. If he's not associated with some competitor or something, then this is about all I need to finally toss these amps in the trash.

Bro I wasn't trying to attack just trying to set you straight or point you in the right direction. I was a GR rep for about a year and actually I got Majere his job with GR. I left GR when I started to see the real GR was selling. By HIS request I had my own Labmax kit brought to me and just about his whole line of Synaptec and parts of his BD line failed, remember this was by his request and well before I stepped down from being a rep. I kept all the emails in case one of his reps decides to call me out. How about his GENESIS line? Now I was told that the company that purchased GENESIS (UNIGEN) continued to make gear and put a GENESIS label on it....far from the truth. In fact the last batch of GENESIS was made in 2008 with an expiration date of 2009. Please understand when GENESIS was pumping out gear they only made a handful of product. There was no mixed blends, no primo and the list goes on. Feel free to check this out for yourself Google GENESIS web site then google unigen-life science and see what you get. They are a New Jersey based company that is a big supplier in India. I'm
coming at GR this way because he sent me an email saying he was going to post my info on web sites if I came out with what I discovered as he threatened Colt with the same thing. And to me TEXXGEAR and GR are the same but I have no evidence to back that up.

 

[BIGMESC]

@Custom just an FYI
Your tag line (signature) at the bottom of your post still says "Board rep for Granabolic"

 

[G.I. Bro]

I don't want to step on Colts toes here but I was in the middle of this train wreck and in a nut shell the amps were sent to a member that order them without anyone knowing who that guy was so there would be no question like: oh GR knew he was sending out amps so he made sure

Bro I wasn't trying to attack just trying to set you straight or point you in the right direction. I was a GR rep for about a year and actually I got Majere his job with GR. I left GR when I started to see the real GR was selling. By HIS request I had my own Labmax kit brought to me and just about his whole line of Synaptec and parts of his BD line failed, remember this was by his request and well before I stepped down from being a rep. I kept all the emails in case one of his reps decides to call me out. How about his GENESIS line? Now I was told that the company that purchased GENESIS (UNIGEN) continued to make gear and put a GENESIS label on it....far from the truth. In fact the last batch of GENESIS was made in 2008 with an expiration date of 2009. Please understand when GENESIS was pumping out gear they only made a handful of product. There was no mixed blends, no primo and the list goes on. Feel free to check this out for yourself Google GENESIS web site then google unigen-life science and see what you get. They are a New Jersey based company that is a big supplier in India. I'm
coming at GR this way because he sent me an email saying he was going to post my info on web sites if I came out with what I discovered as he threatened Colt with the same thing. And to me TEXXGEAR and GR are the same but I have no evidence to back that up.

Custom, I appreciate that info. It all makes much more sense now because I knew you were once working for granabolic (I actually thought you were the main guy answering my emails at one point). It says a lot about you that you have come clean with some of this stuff.

Sounds like granabolic will sell legit gear, but also has no problem selling stuff he KNOWS is bunk too, unfortunately. Or at the very least, doesn't bother to check too hard to see if it's counterfeit. I also feel a lot of sources probably do this.

Not sure what you're saying about Colt44 and GrAnabolic not knowing who it was sending Norma amps to and that somehow having some impact on if he got legit amps or not? What exactly do you mean there, not sure I'm getting you? He would have got real stuff had granabolic known it was a well known board member?

*** Is there any chance at all I myself (or anyone) received real, legitimate Norma amps from GrAnabolic around that time? ***

Interesting that you believe the same source is behind TexxGears and GRanabolic. This explains TexxGears having these same exact amps and lot numbers too I suppose.

 

[Colt44]

Not sure what you're saying about Colt44 and GrAnabolic not knowing who it was sending Norma amps to and that somehow having some impact on if he got legit amps or not? What exactly do you mean there, not sure I'm getting you? He would have got real stuff had granabolic known it was a well known board member? Is there any chance at all I myself (or anyone) received real, legitimate Norma amps from GrAnabolic around that time?

Interesting that you believe the same source is behind TexxGears and GRanabolic. This explains TexxGears having these same exact amps and lot numbers too I suppose.

He is referring to a different test/member. Supposedly one that ordered anonymously and was going to test the amps.

@Custom I don't remember seeing that happen. Did I miss it?