Spotting Counterfeit Amps

[Oregongearhead]

Oh No ! Not phoney euro amps again !

 

[Colt44]

Oh No ! Not phoney euro amps again !

He's just reviewing OGH, not buying.

 

[Custom]

He is referring to a different test/member. Supposedly one that ordered anonymously and was going to test the amps.

@Custom I don't remember seeing that happen. Did I miss it?

No I think he got confused about the anonymous buyer and not knowing what would be purchased and tested. As far as I know you and mythotec were the only ones involved with the testing. I remember seeing someone from I think Evo saying they would test but I never followed up on it

 

[Custom]

Custom, I appreciate that info. It all makes much more sense now because I knew you were once working for granabolic (I actually thought you were the main guy answering my emails at one point). It says a lot about you that you have come clean with some of this stuff.

Sounds like granabolic will sell legit gear, but also has no problem selling stuff he KNOWS is bunk too, unfortunately. Or at the very least, doesn't bother to check too hard to see if it's counterfeit. I also feel a lot of sources probably do this.

Not sure what you're saying about Colt44 and GrAnabolic not knowing who it was sending Norma amps to and that somehow having some impact on if he got legit amps or not? What exactly do you mean there, not sure I'm getting you? He would have got real stuff had granabolic known it was a well known board member?

*** Is there any chance at all I myself (or anyone) received real, legitimate Norma amps from GrAnabolic around that time? ***

Interesting that you believe the same source is behind TexxGears and GRanabolic. This explains TexxGears having these same exact amps and lot numbers too I suppose.

I do think GrAnbolic does have some legit gear but it is mixed in with some fake (not bunk) gear. I don't think he was or is educated in the field of aas not that I know everything but you need to know what you are selling. I only answered emails that he would forward to me when he didn't have the answer to the question being asked. I truly believe if he knew about the products he was selling he would be a good source to go to. I firmly believe that he believes that the Norma amps are real and that may be the problem here. I have never seen any bloodwork done by anyone. If you are going to do bloods on this gear you should run it 6 weeks not 3 that you claimed you want to do.

 

[Custom]

@Custom just an FYI
Your tag line (signature) at the bottom of your post still says "Board rep for Granabolic"

Thanks I never saw that lol. Now reads "Free to be me"

 

[G.I. Bro]

I do think GrAnbolic does have some legit gear but it is mixed in with some fake (not bunk) gear. I don't think he was or is educated in the field of aas not that I know everything but you need to know what you are selling. I only answered emails that he would forward to me when he didn't have the answer to the question being asked. I truly believe if he knew about the products he was selling he would be a good source to go to. I firmly believe that he believes that the Norma amps are real and that may be the problem here. I have never seen any bloodwork done by anyone. If you are going to do bloods on this gear you should run it 6 weeks not 3 that you claimed you want to do.

The amps and packaging (UV stickers and all, as Colt44 pointed out on his order) are elaborate and well done. Fake normas are usually easy to spot as my pics in first post indicate, but these were not. However, I have no reason to doubt Colt44 and the two MS tests done on this lot # from GrAnabolic. Other people around the forums seem to agree they are not real as well. Custom, your info further reinforces that. You know he was at least selling some counterfeit normas. I was just pointing out that if you go by look only, it's hard to say they're fake. I will probably just trash these as I'm pretty satisfied and convinced now after hearing more. Appreciate your guys info.

Custom: Don't you agree I most likely got bunk stuff like Colt44? I reviewed my old pm outbox on ProM. It was you I spoke with about the order! Lol.

 

[Colt44]

*** Is there any chance at all I myself (or anyone) received real, legitimate Norma amps from GrAnabolic around that time? ***

I think it's absolutely possible. I probably have some good ones. No way of knowing really though.

For the record, the amps I received and tested did not come in the original boxes. I believe I received those after the LM and MS results were being argued.

 

[G.I. Bro]

I think it's absolutely possible. I probably have some good ones. No way of knowing really though.

For the record, the amps I received and tested did not come in the original boxes. I believe I received those after the LM and MS results were being argued.

Do you think the later ones in boxes and with holograms were real? The photos you posted of amps, which were those, because those "look" legit like mine.

 

[Colt44]

Do you think the later ones in boxes and with holograms were real? The photos you posted of amps, which were those, because those "look" legit like mine.

If the ones shipped later in the boxes aren't legit, he needs to find another line of work.

The pics in that thread are from the original order.

 

[Custom]

The amps and packaging (UV stickers and all, as Colt44 pointed out on his order) are elaborate and well done. Fake normas are usually easy to spot as my pics in first post indicate, but these were not. However, I have no reason to doubt Colt44 and the two MS tests done on this lot # from GrAnabolic. Other people around the forums seem to agree they are not real as well. Custom, your info further reinforces that. You know he was at least selling some counterfeit normas. I was just pointing out that if you go by look only, it's hard to say they're fake. I will probably just trash these as I'm pretty satisfied and convinced now after hearing more. Appreciate your guys info.

Custom: Don't you agree I most likely got bunk stuff like Colt44? I reviewed my old pm outbox on ProM. It was you I spoke with about the order! Lol.

This is the conclusion that I've come to. I think there are good fakes and bad fakes out there and the reasoning is this, The only people coming on saying they are legit are people who visited Greece or live there and "say" they can walk into any pharmacy and buy them. So my question is why only Greece? Why is there no website? If they are that good why not sold in pharmacies around other parts of the world?
To answer your question about having good amps the real thing to do is run them for 6 weeks and do bloods. If they are underdosed then you will see it. Look no one said they had poison in them they just said they were not dosed correctly. So if I were you I'd do 500mgs a week (250 Monday and 250 Thursday) and at the end of 6 weeks draw blood 5 days after your last pin.
To me the work "bunk" means gear with no hormones what so ever in them and the testing didn't show that. Do I believe that both tests could be off a bit, yes I do because two different testers will get two different results. For an extra $60 for bloodwork you can't go wrong. That's how I see it.

 

[G.I. Bro]

If the ones shipped later in the boxes aren't legit, he needs to find another line of work.

The pics in that thread are from the original order.

Well those are the amps in question for me. Per my first post, they were all in individual boxes with the lot #s I referenced. They look legit compared to photos of replica amps too. Since you received some in full packaging with hologram stickers, I assumed you looked in to those too... But I guess not. Those are what I'm interested in. I never received lose amps.

 

[Custom]

If the ones shipped later in the boxes aren't legit, he needs to find another line of work.

The pics in that thread are from the original order.

Colt did you ever test any that came with the boxes, I can't remember.
Didn't you say one test came back with traces of tren in it?

 

[G.I. Bro]

Colt did you ever test any that came with the boxes, I can't remember.
Didn't you say one test came back with traces of tren in it?

According to the other thread, the second MS (Dr Jim) revealed 4% test with traces of Tren E (probably cross contamination at the powder compounding company). Unless I'm recalling it wrong.

 

[Custom]

According to the other thread, the second MS (Dr Jim) revealed 4% test with traces of Tren E (probably cross contamination at the powder compounding company). Unless I'm recalling it wrong.

I don't know much about powdering companies nor do I know much about what compounds are sold in pharmacies so this more of a question than statement: Do pharmacies carry Tren? If not why would it be in the powdering company that I would think only supplies legit companies.

 

[Colt44]

Colt did you ever test any that came with the boxes, I can't remember.
Didn't you say one test came back with traces of tren in it?

The first test came back at 4% purity and a 56mg/ml concentration. Test E.

Second test was possible traces of tren e. No purity data listed I don't believe. Because it was so low.

 

[G.I. Bro]

I don't know much about powdering companies nor do I know much about what compounds are sold in pharmacies so this more of a question than statement: Do pharmacies carry Tren? If not why would it be in the powdering company that I would think only supplies legit companies.

Ya I mean that's the point. It's nothing to do with a legit pharmacy because they don't sell tren products. It's just some way diluted Chinese powder mix of bs. Whoever made them didn't even attempt to fill with oil from cheap Chinese test powder or it would come back at like 75-80% pure or so.

I'm more curious about the amps Colt44 got in packaging with holograms and stuff because I got those same ones. Running basically GSO for 6 weeks to get bloods and see if these are legit isn't that appealing. I assume they are the same as the others, but damn they are spot in replicas.

 

[double-leg]

Wow. There just fucking dudes up.
4% test? Thats horrible.

 

[Colt44]

I'm more curious about the amps Colt44 got in packaging with holograms and stuff because I got those same ones. Running basically GSO for 6 weeks to get bloods and see if these are legit isn't that appealing. I assume they are the same as the others, but damn they are spot in replicas.

They are probably the exact same amps. He just sent the boxes. Some may be good others not.

I didn't send the second amps for testing because there was no point. It wouldn't be anonymous and the results would be invalid.

I've still got a few. You can test them them the old fashioned way. Lol

 

[Colt44]

Wow. There just fucking dudes up.
4% test? Thats horrible.

In all fairness, I don't believe those results to be completely accurate. That's part of the reason they were tested a second time.