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I Have got the same results from Bayer test E 500mg week split in two shots.

I got 1967 and I was surprised... BUT I'm sure it's quite a good number because if you compare it to the shots of 250mg it's almost 8x

I believe most of the high peak number are from ppl injecting 500mg at once.

I could be wrong.
Not saying these Norma's are good or whatever. Just saying that I did have the same results on another brand of pharma grade.
 
Sampei said:
I Have got the same results from Bayer test E 500mg week split in two shots.

I got 1967 and I was surprised... BUT I'm sure it's quite a good number because if you compare it to the shots of 250mg it's almost 8x

I believe most of the high peak number are from ppl injecting 500mg at once.

I could be wrong.
Not saying these Norma's are good or whatever. Just saying that I did have the same results on another brand of pharma grade.
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Well I'm not happy with those numbers my strength is low, my energy level is low
 
Sampei said:
I Have got the same results from Bayer test E 500mg week split in two shots.

I got 1967 and I was surprised... BUT I'm sure it's quite a good number because if you compare it to the shots of 250mg it's almost 8x

I believe most of the high peak number are from ppl injecting 500mg at once.

I could be wrong.
Not saying these Norma's are good or whatever. Just saying that I did have the same results on another brand of pharma grade.
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Comparing it to a 250mg pin does not make sense.

Pharm grade Bayer from where?
 
Well hell I just got 12 weeks worth. Guess I will run more of it. Would have liked to seen at least a 6x. Thanks for the contribution man. I will get bloods done as well in like 8 weeks. Haha
 
I'm starting to think that this whole 10X thing is based off of one pin. Not by what is injected weekly. Sorry to see those numbers bro. Not sure what's going on with these.
 
c_bigsby said:
I'm starting to think that this whole 10X thing is based off of one pin. Not by what is injected weekly. Sorry to see those numbers bro. Not sure what's going on with these.
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I was starting to think that as well @c_bigsby, but what about the half life of the long ester? he should still have some added test floating around. I have also seen bloods come back at 6x and 7x with bi-weekly injections.
 
c_bigsby said:
I'm starting to think that this whole 10X thing is based off of one pin. Not by what is injected weekly. Sorry to see those numbers bro. Not sure what's going on with these.
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Yeah I'm positive the 10x is off a single injection at peak. Only scientific reasearch I came across. Was on test c on a once a week dose. It came back at 10x. I haven't seen anything regarding 2x injections a week.
 
@tacevedo Youre right. I have seen the same as well. Regardless of what the rule applies to and all of the other factors involved, these numbers are not good for 500mg a week. And from this and the other Norma bloods post I would not continue to buy them. Not sure if I just got lucky or what is going on but they are not looking too good anymore.
 
c_bigsby said:
@tacevedo Youre right. I have seen the same as well. Regardless of what the rule applies to and all of the other factors involved, these numbers are not good for 500mg a week. And from this and the other Norma bloods post I would not continue to buy them. Not sure if I just got lucky or what is going on but they are not looking too good anymore.
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I'm done with these Norma's..I switched over to 24kpharma Test C which I will get Bloods again in 5 weeks.
 
I just read some Pfizer clinical info on blood levels. With test cyp, peak level is reached 24 hrs after injection falling off to baseline within about 10-14 days. 200 mg injection gives average peak at 24 hrs of 1100 +/- 440 (which is 660-1540), falling off to around 500 over next week and a half. The +/- 440 is like a 40% difference in levels between different people on same dose, so I think there is a lot of individual variability.

http://www.pfizer.ca/sites/g/files/g10017036/f/201505/Depo-Testosterone_PM_E_181380_25_March_2015.pdf
 
BiggBoss said:
I just read some Pfizer clinical info on blood levels. With test cyp, peak level is reached 24 hrs after injection falling off to baseline within about 10-14 days. 200 mg injection gives average peak at 24 hrs of 1100 +/- 440 (which is 660-1540), falling off to around 500 over next week and a half. The +/- 440 is like a 40% difference in levels between different people on same dose, so I think there is a lot of individual variability.

http://www.pfizer.ca/sites/g/files/g10017036/f/201505/Depo-Testosterone_PM_E_181380_25_March_2015.pdf
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WTF 40% is a massive difference.
 
I honestly think looking through real pharmokinetic data just now that your Norma test may actually be legit. If you pin twice per week and levels from each injection peak early and then fall off to baseline within 14 days, this is how I see it... You should still see full effect from the most recent injection, maybe 75% effect from the injection before that, and 50% or less from the previous weeks injections. If you happen to be one of the guys on the low end of the levels, seems like 1900 isn't too unreasonable or out of line with the Pfizer data. This goes along with what Sampei said above about having similar levels on Bayer test at 500 per week. If you pinned 500 at once, you would definitely have a higher peak level.

Different body mass, blood volume, rates of elimination and drug metabolism affect one guys blood levels a ton.

I'll be interested to see your repeat bloods on 24kpharma gear @Dshep
 
BiggBoss said:
I honestly think looking through real pharmokinetic data just now that your Norma test may actually be legit. If you pin twice per week and levels from each injection peak early and then fall off to baseline within 14 days, this is how I see it... You should still see full effect from the most recent injection, maybe 75% effect from the injection before that, and 50% or less from the previous weeks injections. If you happen to be one of the guys on the low end of the levels, seems like 1900 isn't too unreasonable or out of line with the Pfizer data. This goes along with what Sampei said above about having similar levels on Bayer test at 500 per week. If you pinned 500 at once, you would definitely have a higher peak level.

Different body mass, blood volume, rates of elimination and drug metabolism affect one guys blood levels a ton.

I'll be interested to see your repeat bloods on 24kpharma gear @Dshep
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Yeah but he is going to run test-c I'm assuming at 1 injection a week. So the The test will be different because of the weekly vs biweekly. At 1 injection it will fall around the 10x rule. I just don't believe that at 2x a week u get 10x more like 6x. Have seen some ugl results at 10x but they overdose to meet that.
 
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