NORMA'S PCT-SHOP BLOODS

[BiggBoss]

Well, decided to start PCT shop Normas early, batch ending in 076. One week in now. No bloods yet but today I noticed balls are shrunk quite a bit despite HCG so I guess theres something in there. Going to increase HCG a little and hopefully they come back fast. PIP has been out of control starting about 24 hrs after pin, peaks at 48 hrs both times. Mostly gone by day 6 Site was was red and inflamed for a couple of days, not like an abscess but just looking angry. Oil is so damn thick I can barely push it through a 25g needle so gonna try warming it up a bit. Will check bloods in a couple weeks.

 

[Wunderpus]

Well, decided to start PCT shop Normas early, batch ending in 076. One week in now. No bloods yet but today I noticed balls are shrunk quite a bit despite HCG so I guess theres something in there. Going to increase HCG a little and hopefully they come back fast. PIP has been out of control starting about 24 hrs after pin, peaks at 48 hrs both times. Mostly gone by day 6 Site was was red and inflamed for a couple of days, not like an abscess but just looking angry. Oil is so damn thick I can barely push it through a 25g needle so gonna try warming it up a bit. Will check bloods in a couple weeks.

A few things are wrong here-

A week and serious atrophy, from enanthate? No.

6 days of PIP from pharma gear? No.

It's time to evaluate your injection techniques, as you are hurting yourself.

 

[BiggBoss]

Maybe I overstated that... wouldn't say it's serious atrophy but it's definitely noticeable and surprised me a little, especially so soon. I have a ton of experience injecting so no chance its the technique. Essentially painless going in but awful after a day or two and lasting forever. And if you look back a few posts I said I don't think it's pharma gear. The vials have traits of the fakes when I compare to pics posted elsewhere- the tops are thinner than the real deal, bottom isn't flat, etc. Not sure if I am just sensitive to something in the oil or what it is but PIP is really terrible. Every time I roll over on it in bed it wakes me up.

 

[Wunderpus]

Maybe I overstated that... wouldn't say it's serious atrophy but it's definitely noticeable and surprised me a little, especially so soon. I have a ton of experience injecting so no chance its the technique. Essentially painless going in but awful after a day or two and lasting forever. And if you look back a few posts I said I don't think it's pharma gear. The vials have traits of the fakes when I compare to pics posted elsewhere- the tops are thinner than the real deal, bottom isn't flat, etc. Not sure if I am just sensitive to something in the oil or what it is but PIP is really terrible. Every time I roll over on it in bed it wakes me up.

Then why are you pinning them? You think they're fake, and they hurt you badly, what are you doing?

Also, I don't recall any other members discussing PIP from these. @c_bigsby ?

 

[heady muscle]

Thanks for posting.

 

[BiggBoss]

That's a good point. I've seen good results posted on same batch from c_bigsby so decided to give them a shot and was going to get bloods after 2-3 wks to decide to continue or not. Guess I assumed they are likely counterfeit but still have the product in there, but maybe just wishful thinking. Didn't read about anyone else with bad PIP on these which is why I was thinking maybe I am sensitive to some additive or something but never been this bad before. Any one else??

 

[Wunderpus]

That's a good point. I've seen good results posted on same batch from c_bigsby so decided to give them a shot and was going to get bloods after 2-3 wks to decide to continue or not. Guess I assumed they are likely counterfeit but still have the product in there, but maybe just wishful thinking. Didn't read about anyone else with bad PIP on these which is why I was thinking maybe I am sensitive to some additive or something but never been this bad before. Any one else??

Some people react poorly to EO. I don't know if real norma's contain EO. Standby.

 

[Wunderpus]

can't find the ingredients anywhere. If you have a box, check it out.

 

[BiggBoss]

Damn, thanks for the info. That actually helped a lot. Did a little research and now wondering if it could be an allergy to EO. Symptoms at the site match up, but don't really have any systemic symptoms like feeling shitty or whatever. Unfortunately I didn't get any boxes with the Normas and also couldn't find ingredients online. And if they're fake, who knows what's in there. Now I have to decide if I should bail or try one more time and hope it gets better...

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Mine had Zero pip since first pin in virgin glutes. Got a descent bit in the quads though, probably from poor technique, but if their fake than what could shrink your nuts in a week? Test no ester? Who knows, maybe you should order a lab max like I did.

 

[BiggBoss]

I actually did get a labmax and it passed, so pretty confident it's test e. Got fucked with bunk oil before so wasn't going to go without it. But they look like the counterfeits. Hell, I can't say for sure, though. I'm basing that on a few posts where other people describe how to spot fakes, which could be total garbage. These are the only Normas I've had but I will say the amps are really hard to snap. I've snapped a ton of pharma amps of other shit before and they usually snap fairly easily but not these. And maybe my nuts are just smaller than I thought and it's all in my fucking head and there hasn't really been any change But the more I look into EO allergy/sensitivity, the more it seems to match with what I'm getting. Which I guess is good news for most people with these because it seems to be pretty rare.

 

[Wunderpus]

I actually did get a labmax and it passed, so pretty confident it's test e. Got fucked with bunk oil before so wasn't going to go without it. But they look like the counterfeits. Hell, I can't say for sure, though. I'm basing that on a few posts where other people describe how to spot fakes, which could be total garbage. These are the only Normas I've had but I will say the amps are really hard to snap. I've snapped a ton of pharma amps of other shit before and they usually snap fairly easily but not these. And maybe my nuts are just smaller than I thought and it's all in my fucking head and there hasn't really been any change But the more I look into EO allergy/sensitivity, the more it seems to match with what I'm getting. Which I guess is good news for most people with these because it seems to be pretty rare.

I pinned some primo the other day with more EO than I was used to. Coincidence or not, I don't know, but I had the worst pip I've ever had and a bruise to match. I know the gear is clean and good, too. So, maybe it is the EO?

I hope that helped you.

 

[BiggBoss]

Helped a lot bro and I appreciate the info. Steered me in the right direction for sure and I learned a lot about EO and other additives that can cause injection reactions. Gonna try one more pin tomorrow and if it's not better gonna have to find a replacement that I tolerate better.

 

[Wunderpus]

Helped a lot bro and I appreciate the info. Steered me in the right direction for sure and I learned a lot about EO and other additives that can cause injection reactions. Gonna try one more pin tomorrow and if it's not better gonna have to find a replacement that I tolerate better.

I don't know if you warm up the oil before you pin it, I do. I allow it to warm up to the consistency of a very thin oil, just the 25% increase in viscosity reducing pip for me, a lot. Also try stretching or warming up the area pre and post injection. Before and after I put 3ccs into my delts a do a bunch of light overhead presses. Really gets the oil moving and avoids knots.

Hope you're feeling better.

 

[Sampei]

It looks really strange what you are saying.

First it's not true that it's easy to snap pharma grade amps. I had a bunch of testoviron and was a fight every damn time. I broke 3 of it

Pharma company don't use EO I'm quite sure about it, because it's not a certified additive. It's legal but still need to get approved.

I don't know why you are having pip, but if pctshop it's from Greece... I don't see why he should sell fake Normas. It's very easy to get it there, I mean very very easy for anyone that is Greek or that has a connection.

I'm not saying it's not possible that they are fake but no one has reported any pip from it.

 

[BiggBoss]

All I can say is these are harder to snap than any other amps I've cracked and I've cracked a lot. And whether they are counterfeit or real pharma I'm not sure. From what I've read these are highly counterfeited and the fakes are really difficult to spot. However, they do look like what others have said the fakes look like. The 3 things that these have that are consistent with counterfeit is they are not flat on the bottom, the head is narrow rather than bulbous, and the dimples up top are inconsistent. Some have a slight dimple but some do not. I don't doubt there is test e in there bc it passed lab max and others have had good labs, but that doesn't mean they are real pharma. And just because they are shipped from Greece does not tell me they are real. That's just silly.

And as to whether or not there is EO in there or not, I'm not sure. Not even sure I'm sensitive to it. Can only say that I have terrible PIP with these, and this is really the only time I've had it. I know no one else has had the same problem, but I do. I pinned a third time yesterday. Painless going in and still don't feel anything today. I'm hoping it stays that way, but the first 2 times it felt fine until 24 hrs, then became terrible by 48 hrs. I am still sore as hell on the other side from almost 5 days ago but the swelling and redness is gone.

 

[zinc01]

Just out of curiosity, are you guys snapping the tops off your amps with your fingers?

I dated a nurse and she showed me a trick a long time ago for snapping amps. You take the plunger out of a used syringe. Slip it over the amp, line it up at the correct point and then snap. Clean break every time and no accidents. Way easier than trying to do it with a thumb.

 

[Wunderpus]

All I can say is these are harder to snap than any other amps I've cracked and I've cracked a lot. And whether they are counterfeit or real pharma I'm not sure. From what I've read these are highly counterfeited and the fakes are really difficult to spot. However, they do look like what others have said the fakes look like. The 3 things that these have that are consistent with counterfeit is they are not flat on the bottom, the head is narrow rather than bulbous, and the dimples up top are inconsistent. Some have a slight dimple but some do not. I don't doubt there is test e in there bc it passed lab max and others have had good labs, but that doesn't mean they are real pharma. And just because they are shipped from Greece does not tell me they are real. That's just silly.

And as to whether or not there is EO in there or not, I'm not sure. Not even sure I'm sensitive to it. Can only say that I have terrible PIP with these, and this is really the only time I've had it. I know no one else has had the same problem, but I do. I pinned a third time yesterday. Painless going in and still don't feel anything today. I'm hoping it stays that way, but the first 2 times it felt fine until 24 hrs, then became terrible by 48 hrs. I am still sore as hell on the other side from almost 5 days ago but the swelling and redness is gone.

This means NOTHING at all, but my gut instinct is that these are real. Just based on the other Greek pharma stuff I've received from PCT, he can easily just walk in and buy normas, too.

 

[BiggBoss]

This means NOTHING at all, but my gut instinct is that these are real. Just based on the other Greek pharma stuff I've received from PCT, he can easily just walk in and buy normas, too.

I hope you're right! I also have his hcg and tested it with pregnancy test and it's legit. Going to get early blood work next week. Also, no idea what is different but almost no PIP with my last injection. The second one still hurts more than the third. Hoping that's the end of it and not sure why I reacted so badly to the first two.

 

[Wunderpus]

I hope you're right! I also have his hcg and tested it with pregnancy test and it's legit. Going to get early blood work next week. Also, no idea what is different but almost no PIP with my last injection. The second one still hurts more than the third. Hoping that's the end of it and not sure why I reacted so badly to the first two.

I have used his HCG before, it was definitely good.