Notice for an first cycle

[Ouroboros]

So here I go on my first cyle so I found it interesting to make a journal to give information and
to have your opinions on my training,my diet and my cure.

A little history :

19 years old
4 years of bodybuilding
5 ft 9
165 pounds

I have been training for 4 years with 6 training sessions per week

My cycle:

1-8: Test pro (250mg/wk) injections every day (35mg/day)
3-8: Arimidex (0.5/EOD)
3-8: HCG (500UI/wk) E3D Injections Monday and Thursday (250UI)

PCT (7 days after the last injection):

10-13: Clomid (50mg/day) ED
10-13: Nolvadex (20mg/day) ED

Diet:

Meal 1

80grs raw oats
6 egg whites + 2 whole eggs
1 banana
2 wholemeal bread slices

Meal 2

300grs of cottage cheese
1 handful of almonds
1/4 fresh pineapple

Meal 3

100g chicken / turkey
100grs rice
100grs various vegetables
1 tablespoon olive oil


Meal 4 before training

40gr whey proteins + 1 banana

Meal 5 post training

20gr whey + 50 g brown sugar

Meal 6

150grs lean beef
300gr potato
200g green vegetables
1 tablespoon olive oil

Macro:

Proteins: 191 g

Carbohydrates: 339 g

Fat: 126 g

3300 Calories

Training:

Days 1: Pectoral-Biceps
Pectoral:

Chest press 3x8 / 10reps tempo 4/2/1/3
Inclined bench press 4x6-8 reps mTor (8sec on each descent)
Pull over across a bench 3x12-15reps

Biceps:

dumbbell curl 3x6 / 8-reps tempo 4/2/1/3
Inclined curl 3x8-10reps
Low pulley curl 3x10-12reps



Days 2: Legs-shoulder

Legacy:

leg extensions 3x12 / 15reps (2 sec of contraction at each rep)
Squat 3x5 / 6-reps tempo 4/2/1/3
Thigh press feet at the top of the tray 3x30 seconds
Hip Thrust: 3 X 10 to 15 reps

Shoulders / trapeze:


Machine developed 3x12reps tempo 4/2/1/3
Developed 3x21's dumbbells (7 half reps upper part, 7 half reps lower parts, 7 full reps)
Cuban press 3 x 5 reps

trapezoids:

Shrugs bar with 1 arm 4x8 / 10 reps


Day 3: Back-Triceps

Back works width-oriented

Lumbar bench 3x15 reps
Chest draw 3x10-12reps tempo 4/2/1/3
2x6-8reps wide grip pull + 1 max set of reps

Triceps Focus on the long portion

4x10 / 12reps single arm pulley extensions
Lying extension declined 4x15 reps
1 series max dips



Days 4: Rest / stretch or hiit



Days 5: pectoral-Biceps

Pectoral:

Inclined bench press (bar lowered on the upper chest) 3x6 / 8 tempo reps 4/2/1/3
Spaced inclined pulley 3x8 / 10 reps with squezze
Dumbbell spreader 3 x 10/12 reps

Brachial biceps accent session - long supinator

Curl at the console 3x8 reps tempo 4/2/1/3
Hammer Curl 3x10 / 12reps
Inverted curl 3x10 / 12reps

Days 6: Legs-shoulder

Legacy / ischios:

Leg extension 3 x 10/12 reps
Front Squat 6x6 reps in pyramid
Long bar slots 3x8 / 10 reps
Leg curl 3x8 reps mTor (8sec on each descent)

Shoulders-elevation:

Lateral elevation 3x12reps
Front elevation in Y 3x10-12reps
bust bird leaning on tilted bench 3x12reps


Days 7: Back-Triceps

Thick accent back

Rowing bar: 3 X 6/8 reps
horizontal print 3x10-12reps tempo 4/2/1/3
rowing Machine 3x8 (2 sec contraction at each rep)
Shrugs 4x8 / 10/12 reps

Triceps:

Developed tight grip layer (open elbows) 4x10-12reps tempo 4/2/1/3
Triceps pulley extensions with 4x10-12reps rope
High pulley extension reverse 3x15 reps


day 8: Rest / stretch or hiit

 

[Revilo2016]

19 years old
4 years of bodybuilding
5 ft 9
165 pounds

I have been training for 4 years with 6 training sessions per week

No offence but that is not a very long time to be lifting before starting aas and you're not nearly heavy enough to justify it either in my opinion.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Too young IMO but that’s your business.

Aside from that:
- you’re gonna jack up your natural hormone function for just 250mg? For something that’s probably barely over a normal range?
-.5mg Aromasin EOD for 250mg is a shit ton, you shouldn’t plan anti-e use on your first cycle...bloodwork and go from there

 

[shawn2551]

Not too positive. But this seems like a very heavy PCT for such a short cycle and shirt ester. IMO HCG should be sufficient in keeping you pumping. And be careful with that much Adex. I aromatize pretty heavy and I've only taken that much Adex I. 800mg of test. You may not need it but of course have it on hand. I wouldnt be surprised if you didnt need any at all and if you did probably wont need for then 0.25mg every 3 days. Just a guess obviously need bloods to know for sure

 

[Ouroboros]

@Revilo2016 I understand your opinion and on those point you are not wrong but I really want to cure

 

[Ouroboros]

Too young IMO but that’s your business.

Aside from that:
- you’re gonna jack up your natural hormone function for just 250mg? For something that’s probably barely over a normal range?
-.5mg Aromasin EOD for 250mg is a shit ton, you shouldn’t plan anti-e use on your first cycle...bloodwork and go from there

250 mg of testo per week is well above the normal range at my age we produce 40 mg per week in good health so my testo will be 6 times higher than the basic one.

For the arimidex I buy it just in case or but if taking blood does not show the need I will not use it, I prefer to just take my precautions.

 

[Ouroboros]

Not too positive. But this seems like a very heavy PCT for such a short cycle and shirt ester. IMO HCG should be sufficient in keeping you pumping. And be careful with that much Adex. I aromatize pretty heavy and I've only taken that much Adex I. 800mg of test. You may not need it but of course have it on hand. I wouldnt be surprised if you didnt need any at all and if you did probably wont need for then 0.25mg every 3 days. Just a guess obviously need bloods to know for sure

Thank you for the answer, you think I should use what dose then for my PCT because I use dosages low enough to boost I think.
Yes for the arimidex you are right it is simply necessary that I adapt according to the blood tests.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

250 mg of testo per week is well above the normal range at my age we produce 40 mg per week in good health so my testo will be 6 times higher than the basic one.

For the arimidex I buy it just in case or but if taking blood does not show the need I will not use it, I prefer to just take my precautions.

Lol. Ok.

go take your 250 and get a blood test and tell me your test number is 6x the normal range. I’ll wait.

have all the information I need. You’re not ready for gear.

 

[LeoTC]

5'9 at 165 after four prime growing years kinda says a lot.

You do you though, Homie.

 

[shawn2551]

Thank you for the answer, you think I should use what dose then for my PCT because I use dosages low enough to boost I think.
Yes for the arimidex you are right it is simply necessary that I adapt according to the blood tests.

I'm not too well qualified in this area. Your gonna catch hell about being so young and not meeting your natural potential before you go on cycle. But people are going to do what they want regardless. You just need to be smart. Those drugs are dangerous as are steroids. So I dont recommend using things you dont need. I'm just not sure. I feel with that low of a dose.of test, that the HCG is sufficient to run while on then maybe another couple weeks after.

Unless you have bloods you have no idea how high your levels are. Dont have high expectations for using 250 mg test a week. Also save yourself the hassle and pin every other day. I've done cycles where I pin everyday but it was to keep sides low. Which shouldn't be an issue on 250 test. With your body weight I wouldnt be surprised if you only put on 6-7lbs in that short of a time. Dont expect to put on some miracle 15-20lbs.

Lock in the diet and training

 

[little]

 

[little]

Take another year and just read about things at least 30min a day

then come up with another cycle

Until then, stick to basics man,drink egg whites eat red meat potatoes and sushi until your tits fall off

 

[JC Grifter]

You could fuck up your endocrine system. Ask me how I know. I don’t think you need to hit your genetic limit, but I think you should wait until your older for a few reasons.

1) at your age you’re already producing high testosterone, can build muscle, and can burn fat easily (unless you have a hormone imbalance, which you should not diagnose and treat yourself)
2) you need to learn and learn some more about nutrition and training
3) if you wait a few years, and built a solid base, and have more experience with nutrition and training, I promise you will get so much more out of your first cycle.

if you follow the advice we’re all laying out, I promise you will be far happier with the results. Don’t be in a rush just to be in a rush.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Even google doesn’t know what a “bust bird” is. Did you throw this into google translate or something?

 

[Eman]

250 mg of testo per week is well above the normal range at my age we produce 40 mg per week in good health so my testo will be 6 times higher than the basic one.

Oh man, this would be so cool if it were true... Unfortunately, the math doesn't work out like you think it does.

Here's a thought: a common testosterone replacement dose is about 200mg per week. That dosage is meant to bring a person with low natural testosterone back into the normal range, like where you should be at your age. Except you're only taking 45mg more than a replacement dose... So how is it that your 6 times higher than a natural test level?

Have fun on your cycle... Don't think you really know what you got going on though.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Oh man, this would be so cool if it were true... Unfortunately, the math doesn't work out like you think it does.

Here's a thought: a common testosterone replacement dose is about 200mg per week. That dosage is meant to bring a person with low natural testosterone back into the normal range, like where you should be at your age. Except you're only taking 45mg more than a replacement dose... So how is it that your 6 times higher than a natural test level?

Have fun on your cycle... Don't think you really know what you got going on though.

Bro you’re just wrong. The math is easy. I’m on 750mg. Divided by 40mg is ~19. I fully expect my bloodwork in 4 weeks to show a test level of 14,000.

everyone’s been the 19yr old know it all. Not all of us have been too headstrong to ignore the experienced guys, though. Guess we’ll see which type he is...

OP, my test was 1400 on 250. I guess I just respond 25% as well as you expect to?

 

[Eman]

Bro you’re just wrong. The math is easy. I’m on 750mg. Divided by 40mg is ~19. I fully expect my bloodwork in 4 weeks to show a test level of 14,000.

everyone’s been the 19yr old know it all. Not all of us have been too headstrong to ignore the experienced guys, though. Guess we’ll see which type he is...

OP, my test was 1400 on 250. I guess I just respond 25% as well as you expect to?

Like I said, I wish it were true!

At a gram of test my balls would be growing a set of balls... Bumping into women would cause them to spontaneously grow a beard... It would be crazy times.

 

[amtont]

Bro you’re just wrong. The math is easy. I’m on 750mg. Divided by 40mg is ~19. I fully expect my bloodwork in 4 weeks to show a test level of 14,000.

everyone’s been the 19yr old know it all. Not all of us have been too headstrong to ignore the experienced guys, though. Guess we’ll see which type he is...

OP, my test was 1400 on 250. I guess I just respond 25% as well as you expect to?

Like I said, I wish it were true!

At a gram of test my balls would be growing a set of balls... Bumping into women would cause them to spontaneously grow a beard... It would be crazy times.

I would say exactly the same thing. This study even has a larger sample size and on 300 mg per week the average test level was 1,345. For most labs such as Quest Diagnostics the normal range is up to 1,100 so 250 mg per week will put you barely above normal levels.So as others have said imo it is not worth it.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

OP If you read around you will see that many of the people who have given you advice are very experienced and routinely give helpful input. They have definitely helped me out before.

 

[JC Grifter]

I would say exactly the same thing. This study even has a larger sample size and on 300 mg per week the average test level was 1,345. For most labs such as Quest Diagnostics the normal range is up to 1,100 so 250 mg per week will put you barely above normal levels.So as others have said imo it is not worth it.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

OP If you read around you will see that many of the people who have given you advice are very experienced and routinely give helpful input. They have definitely helped me out before.

From why I hear from people I’d say majority more than average. I metabolize testosterone extremely well on the other hand. My trt dose is 80mg and puts me close to 900. My doctor first tried me at 125mg because that’s the “average dose” and I was close to 1600. So you never know. But I tell you what, it’s also a curse because I aromatize heavily as well that I need an AI on 80mg!

 

[amtont]

From why I hear from people I’d say majority more than average. I metabolize testosterone extremely well on the other hand. My trt dose is 80mg and puts me close to 900. My doctor first tried me at 125mg because that’s the “average dose” and I was close to 1600. So you never know. But I tell you what, it’s also a curse because I aromatize heavily as well that I need an AI on 80mg ‍

Yeah sorry I should have been more clear. You are definitely correct that it can be very individualized my point was just that OP implied that his test would be 6x above normal which would put him at 6,000 - 7,000 and I don't think anyone has gotten that high off 250 mg a week.

I was just trying to provide additional info to support the points @Eman and @Mac11wildcat were making because they were giving good advice so if I were in his position I would definitely take it into account.