NOxplode, Cellmass, Nitrix

getswoll

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has anyone taken these three together? I got some and started in last Sunday. Don't know if it is just mental, but I'd swear it is already having some effect..... If any of you have taken it, what did you do with your caffeine intake? Also, did you take as directed exactly on the bottle(s) or have you come up with a better way? Just wondering.....

GS
 
Whats your purpose in taking them? NO supplements are useful if you are looking for a pump, but are completely ineffective if you are looking for added muscle.
 
Bob Smith said:
Whats your purpose in taking them? NO supplements are useful if you are looking for a pump, but are completely ineffective if you are looking for added muscle.


I am NOT looking for pump :). I refuse to fall into that farse. I just crosstrain, between powerlifting and tris. I came up with a slightly altered DFHT program for that, that includes running, agility, biking, swimming, etc..... So I guess my main goal is just to add strength, with the side benifit of size.

Pax,
GS
 
getswoll said:
I am NOT looking for pump :). I refuse to fall into that farse. I just crosstrain, between powerlifting and tris. I came up with a slightly altered DFHT program for that, that includes running, agility, biking, swimming, etc..... So I guess my main goal is just to add strength, with the side benifit of size.

Pax,
GS
Then any NO supps are probably going to be a waste of money for you.
 
Bob Smith said:
Then any NO supps are probably going to be a waste of money for you.


Interesting..... a few people I know personally, have sworn by it in helping them for this..... I was a bit skeptical myself, but they did produce results, although I don't know if they are the exception to rule? I have also read/heard, that NO type sups are great if you do any type of athletics, although I don't know if that is just conjecture. So what do you think about the cellmass then, with that new "super creatine?"

GS
 
getswoll said:
Interesting..... a few people I know personally, have sworn by it in helping them for this..... I was a bit skeptical myself, but they did produce results, although I don't know if they are the exception to rule? I have also read/heard, that NO type sups are great if you do any type of athletics, although I don't know if that is just conjecture. So what do you think about the cellmass then, with that new "super creatine?"

GS
A lot of people swore by HMB and boron and 99% of all the other useless supplements tht have been available. IMO, any results people get from NO supps is purely placebo (other than the increased pumps). Just look at the T-mag forum to see how many people believe that Biotest supplements are the greatest thing on earth. Yet its interesting that the vast majority of their supps are very quietly discontinued. And any disenting opinion on their forum is censored. Most of their supplements are useless.

As for the new creatine, Im not familiar with it.
 
Take that money that you are spending on those overpriced creatine/NO mixes and just buy 1,000g of creatine powder (around $20) and mix it into grape juice. This will save you a load of money in the long run and the results will be just the same...creatine is creatine, but NO supps are worthless.

Also, great point about the Biotest stuff Bob. It amazes me how many fall for that though.
 
J DUB said:
Take that money that you are spending on those overpriced creatine/NO mixes and just buy 1,000g of creatine powder (around $20) and mix it into grape juice. This will save you a load of money in the long run and the results will be just the same...creatine is creatine, but NO supps are worthless.

Also, great point about the Biotest stuff Bob. It amazes me how many fall for that though.


Well, I suppose I'll find out just how worthless it is when I'm through with them. Maybe some good will come of it, even if it is just a mental thing; who knows, I may be one of the few people it works for.... As you can image, the list of sups we are allowed to take, grows shorter by the day, and this is not on it, so I figured, along with what some friends had said, it was worth a shot.......

Thanks for all of your input guys.

GS
 
i agree that NO supplements probably dont do anything but I have been taking Amped! recently and if nothing else all the caffeine in it ,and maybe some of the other stuff, gets me fired up. Plus if i spend alot fo money on supps I find it much harder to skip a workout. So I am always trying new stuff.
 
A complete waste of money!!! I am on my 3rd container and will be going back to basic creatine.
 
I tried BSN Nitrix and I took it exactly like the bottle said, 3 pills 3 times a day on an empty stomach with plenty of water and a well balanced diet, which I always do anyway. :) I took the product for 3 months and did not notice a single thing, my pumps were the same as they were before. NO=crap. Now all the supplement companys are saying creatine is worthless and a thing of the past......pffffff...my white ass....I like creatine. With these supplement companys it is all for the money...they don't care if their stuff works. Protein, Carbs, Good Fats, Water, Creatine, Multi-Vitamins, Antioxidants, Excellent training, and Determination can get you further then all the latest supplements. Enjoy all the NO2 products!!! :D Maybe they will work for you.
 
Depends on what you want...If you want an hour long pump then go ahead because that's all it's good for.

Nitric Oxide what is it?

Nitric oxide is a colorless, free radical gas commonly found in tissues of all mammals (its also prepared commercially by passing air through an electric arc). Biologically, nitric oxide has been shown to be an important neuro-messenger in a number of vertebrate signal transduction processes. Nitric oxide is used in medical treatment; for example, nitroglycerin ameliorates the pain of angina by supplying nitric oxide to the blood vessels that supply the heart. The popular drug Viagra controls erection by regulating nitric oxide in the penile cartilage chamber.

The Research and the Claims

I dont know where the marketers obtained their literature on nitric oxide. It looks like they are using the same journals as the companies selling Myostatin inhibitors Alice in Wonderland. Although nitric oxide acts as a cell-to-cell communicator for certain metabolic functions, muscle growth is not one of them. After a review of the available literature I cannot find any research that remotely indicates increasing nitric oxide levels plays a part in increasing protein synthesis, contractile strength or any other biochemical pathway that may lead to increases in muscle mass.

For a company to claim their supplement increases fast-twitch muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy procedures and histochemical analyses to extract, assesses and identify these particular muscle fibers from animals or humans, before and after supplementation. However, I could find no documentation (either on their web sites or via a literature scan) that details these findings, only the marketing claims. As far as Im aware, there is zero scientific evidence supporting the notion that nitric oxide supplements increase fast-twitch muscle strength.

There also appears to be no evidence whatsoever that shows increasing nitric oxide levels enhances endurance, power output, and load capacity.

Arginine alpha-ketogluterate is the active ingredient reported by one company that sells this type of supplement. It is claimed that this compound increases and maintains a constantly high level of nitric oxide in muscle. Nitric oxide is synthesized within the body using the amino acid arginine, the energy cyclic substrate NADPH, and oxygen. Nitric oxide diffuses freely across membranes but it is a transient signaling molecule. Nitric oxide is by nature, a highly reactive gas that has an extremely short life less than a few seconds. While there is a lot of research on the effects of nitric oxide, there is no research that shows supplementation with arginine alpha-ketogluterate increases or sustains nitric oxide levels in any human or animal organs.

Can you imagine, a supplement that creates dramatic increases in muscle size, strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity, but not a single study to support these claims. Nothing new here. Unfortunately, this is typical sports nutrition marketing bullshit. It's sad, misleading, and shows you just what these companies think of the intelligence level of their target market.

When new products burst onto the market, you the consumer can cut through the advertising hype quite easily. Simply ask the supplement company making the claims to "show you the research". A reference is a start, but the actual research study is particularly what your after. You want to see the study, the protocol, the outcome and the University at which the study was conducted. In the present case, you want to see a study showing were this supplement actually increased nitric oxide above a control group, and you want to see the data that demonstrates an increase in lean muscle mass, significantly more than the group without elevated nitric oxide levels.

The fact is, there is no science supporting any of the claims made for so-called nitric oxide supplements. There is no science showing they have any effect on nitric oxide levels and certainly no science showing in effects on muscle growth or increased performance.

Ask yourself why there is no research to support these companies wild claims. The simple answer is that research is expensive, make believe products are not. Research provides evidence, fraudulent supplement marketing only delivers hype. Its far more financially rewarding to sell hype than to produce effective supplements backed by science.

One promoter of a nitric oxide supplement claims to have brought creatine supplementation to the market and that their supplement is the perfected version of creatine. Im not sure which market is being referred to but creatine has been used as a supplement for over 40 years. And in NO way are nitric oxide supplements a perfected version of creatine. They are nothing like creatine. While creatine is backed by a wealth of research, nitric oxide supplements do not have a shred of scientific evidence that justifies their effectiveness as a bodybuilding supplements.

Bottom line, money spent on these products is money flushed down the toilet.



Read the Real Science
1. Nathan C. Nitric oxide as a secretory product of mammalian cells. FASEB J 1992 6(12):3051-64.

2. Mayer B; Hemmens B. Biosynthesis and action of nitric oxide in mammalian cells. Trends Biochem Sci 1997 22(12):477-81.

3. Janabi N; Chabrier S; Tardieu M. Endogenous nitric oxide activates prostaglandin F2 alpha production in human microglial cells but not in astrocytes: a study of interactions between eicosanoids, nitric oxide, and superoxide anion (O2-) regulatory pathways. J Immunol 1996 1;157(5):2129-35.

4. Esposito C; Cozzolino A; Porta R; Mariniello L; Buommino E; Morelli F; Metafora V; Metafora S. Protein SV-IV promotes nitric oxide production not associated with apoptosis in murine macrophages. Eur J Cell Biol 2002 81(4):185-96.

5. Eckmann L; Laurent F; Langford TD; Hetsko ML; Smith JR; Kagnoff MF; Gillin FD. Nitric oxide production by human intestinal epithelial cells and competition for arginine as potential determinants of host defense against the lumen-dwelling pathogen Giardia lamblia. J Immunol 2000 1;164(3):1478-87.

6. Kelly RA; Smith TW. Nitric oxide and nitrovasodilators: similarities, differences, and interactions. Am J Cardiol 1996 30;77(13):2C-7C.

7. Stryer L. Biochemistry 4th Ed. Freeman & Co. 1997.
 
If you insist, you can make your own version of these products very cheaply. Buy some creatine powder, some l-arginine powder, caffeine powder, and some powdered lemonade or gatorade. Mix these in your desired proportions and the cost per serving is well below half of what it is if you buy these products. Be very careful with the caffeine powder though.
 
I agree. Using 1Fast400 as an example of seperate ingredients:

-AAKG, 200 grams->$14.99
-Caffeine, 100 grams->$4.00
-Cit.malate, 75 grams->$10.00 or 200 grams for $20
-L-Tyrosine (focus), 200 grams->$11.99
-Taurine, 150 grams->$6.00
-CEE, 100 grams->$6.00 (instead of Dicreatine)

Per serving:
AAKG-3 grams (66 servings)
Caffeine-200 mg (500 servings)
Cit.malate-3 grams (66 servings)
L-Tyrosine-3 grams (66 servings)
Taurine-1-2 grams (75 + servings)
CEE-2-3 grams (50 servings)

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$52.98 homemade, total servings: 50+ with alot left over w/ some.
vs.
$40.00 Noxplode, total servings: < 40 (it says 40, but most people including myself need more per serving, ie 2-3 scoops to feel any effect.)

-The homebrew has alot more per serving too I'm guessing since BSN never says. The servings are on the higher side of the spectrum too. I'm sure you could get away with 2 grams of everything aside from AAKG and save you a bunch more loot for more whole food. FYI, going 2 grams of everything would give you probably well over 3+ months if you don't go to the gym every single day.
-Also keep in mind that the CEE from the "mass stack" is covered in the brew too. So grand total, between the BSN stack and seperate ingredients, save your money for groceries.
 
I don't care what you say and what those studies show! I was on the mass stack, which was Nitrix,No xplode,cell mass, and Axist HT for about 20 days which is how long the nitirx and and Axist HT last if used according to the bottle for your weight. I gained 10 lb of pure muscle! and no I am not new to working out nor supps this stuff just works AMAZING. the big mistake with people that say it doesn't work is that they don't take it correctly to achieve it's max effects and are just newbs which don't work out hard enough. I will be happy to answer ANY questions regarding the stack that I used and how every product specifically worked and how I took them. BSN is a reputable company every product in the stack works, when used individually they work too just do no expect the result you want form it UNLESS you take the whole stack!
 
I say you at least have to give these OTC supps a try before just saying they don't work. .. Better yet,let someone else give them a try so you don't have to waste your own money,in case they don't work :) .. I would,however,bet that ALL of these OTC supps don't work as good as their companies say they do
 
BSN's stacl wiht the Axis ht is one of the best legal, natural and inexpensive ways of getting bigger and stronger with out the use of roids.
 
Goliath said:
BSN's stacl wiht the Axis ht is one of the best legal, natural and inexpensive ways of getting bigger and stronger with out the use of roids.
So what would an 8 week stack of all that cost?
 
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