NPP as TRT

[iRob88]

Hi,

Just looking for some advice, I know 'deca only' is generally frowned upon. Just a little desperate and trying to piece it all together.

Very long story short.

Working through a long covid diagnoses. My endocrine system is a mess (as is my gut, immune system etc).

Total test is around 380, with an SHBG of 90. Ergo my free is in the gutter.

I've tried running test enanthate previously but even at low dosages of 75 - 100 mgs a week, I got every single side effect going. Hair loss, stupid amounts of water retention, and anxiety that was crippling. Sleep also went to hell, and my e2 went through the roof. Looked to control that with low dose of aromasin but even when it was within the normal range I still felt sh!t. Prolactin (touch wood) didn't budge much. Carrier oil was MCT. Tried two different vendors and every injection frequency you can imagine.

Have trialled hcg and enclompahine as well. Low doses, as low as 250 iu a week with the hcg. E2 went through the roof and ai's did little to remedy it. The depression and anhedonia more or less had me suicidal at one point. Enclomaphine was a similar story except in this case, my vision became an issue (12.5mg), hs-crp also jumped to over 7.

I evidently have issues with histamine and metabolising/ clearing/ aromatising both oestrogen and androgens. There's of course more to it than that but I'm not here to run you through my life story. Just find answers.

Nandrolone only is all I can of at the moment and I wanted to know if anyone had any experiences running the compound solo? NPP makes the most sense as I do not want to have to deal with the clearance time of a longer ester.

Would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks in advance

 

[Mfras]

The title looked scary but like you said your physiology is not typical, and NPP can be discontinued and clear reasonably quickly.

As a recommended cruise I think you might not find many (any) folks doing it, but as a careful experiment with judicious titration and frequent bloodwork I don’t see why not.

The only caveat would be that you should tell someone close to you to help watch for sides. I tolerate NPP well but the psychological sides are there. I get very touchy and in the moment it seems REAL. But off cycle I would not interpret other’s actions as disrespectful or warranting my getting upset about. If you find yourself getting the psychological sides (which can include really bad depression & anxiety for some!) take them seriously.

 

[Biggerisbetternl]

Hi,

Just looking for some advice, I know 'deca only' is generally frowned upon. Just a little desperate and trying to piece it all together.

Very long story short.

Working through a long covid diagnoses. My endocrine system is a mess (as is my gut, immune system etc).

Total test is around 380, with an SHBG of 90. Ergo my free is in the gutter.

I've tried running test enanthate previously but even at low dosages of 75 - 100 mgs a week, I got every single side effect going. Hair loss, stupid amounts of water retention, and anxiety that was crippling. Sleep also went to hell, and my e2 went through the roof. Looked to control that with low dose of aromasin but even when it was within the normal range I still felt sh!t. Prolactin (touch wood) didn't budge much. Carrier oil was MCT. Tried two different vendors and every injection frequency you can imagine.

Have trialled hcg and enclompahine as well. Low doses, as low as 250 iu a week with the hcg. E2 went through the roof and ai's did little to remedy it. The depression and anhedonia more or less had me suicidal at one point. Enclomaphine was a similar story except in this case, my vision became an issue (12.5mg), hs-crp also jumped to over 7.

I evidently have issues with histamine and metabolising/ clearing/ aromatising both oestrogen and androgens. There's of course more to it than that but I'm not here to run you through my life story. Just find answers.

Nandrolone only is all I can of at the moment and I wanted to know if anyone had any experiences running the compound solo? NPP makes the most sense as I do not want to have to deal with the clearance time of a longer ester.

Would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks in advance

If you replace test entirely with nandrolone it seems like you would have less estrogen conversion if at all, but also maybe higher progesterone related sides. So you might experience more suppression of libido and even reduced testicle size. Is fertility an issue at the moment ?

 

[iRob88]

The title looked scary but like you said your physiology is not typical, and NPP can be discontinued and clear reasonably quickly.

As a recommended cruise I think you might not find many (any) folks doing it, but as a careful experiment with judicious titration and frequent bloodwork I don’t see why not.

The only caveat would be that you should tell someone close to you to help watch for sides. I tolerate NPP well but the psychological sides are there. I get very touchy and in the moment it seems REAL. But off cycle I would not interpret other’s actions as disrespectful or warranting my getting upset about. If you find yourself getting the psychological sides (which can include really bad depression & anxiety for some!) take them seriously.

Thank you, appreciate the feedback.

More or less alone in this (long story - not your problem), so its more or less down to me monitor everything. Blood work I can more or less take care of.

Apologies for sounding so despondent. My brain is more or less scrambled eggs at the moment. Just trying to move forward the best I can and into a better season in life.

Thank you again.

 

[iRob88]

If you replace test entirely with nandrolone it seems like you would have less estrogen conversion if at all, but also maybe higher progesterone related sides. So you might experience more suppression of libido and even reduced testicle size. Is fertility an issue at the moment ?

Last time I tested progesterone, which granted was over a year ago it was rock bottom of the reference range so (God willing) I should be alright in that regard.

Honestly just trying to survive day to day at the moment and with no significant other fertility is not a priority (famous last words!).

Thank you for the reply. Appreciate it.

 

[buck]

Can't say i have ever heard of anyone doing this.
The only way to know is to do it yourself. And see what happens.
I would suggest starting low and going up as needed.

 

[Biggerisbetternl]

Last time I tested progesterone, which granted was over a year ago it was rock bottom of the reference range so (God willing) I should be alright in that regard.

Honestly just trying to survive day to day at the moment and with no significant other fertility is not a priority (famous last words!).

Thank you for the reply. Appreciate it.

What I meant was that nandrolone might attach itself to the progesterone receptor and cause those effects. Not that it aromatises to progesterone.

A few questions came to mind when reading your post just now:

- If nandrolone crashes your E levels, how are you planning to fix that?
- You mentioned before using HCG with Clomid and your Estrogen went through the roof and the ai didn't counter it. Maybe a better alternative for your body is nolva, have you tried it before?
- Also, what dose and intake protocol did you have for aro? Why did you not try another ai like arimidex?

P.S. on mental wellbeing: prioritise eating nutrient rich whole foods, try to exercise regularly and talk to someone when you feel the need to.