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Sampei said:
@bigdaddyandfriends does primo or EQ counteract trest estrogen production or it's like DBOL where it's a special kind of estrogen so no fucking way to control it much?
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I was gonna ask this too.
This is my e2 on 1g test/eq + 80mg of trest d (~50mg MENT/week)

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E2 on 1g Test/EQ
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80mg/week of Trest D seems to work.
I don't know where that puts me on E2 tho, since Trest E2 doesn't appear on labs.
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Personally I'm hoping that Trest e2 cant be controlled, because if it can, then it means it's not gonna be strong enough an e2 supplement. The fact that AI's seem to work for it..doesn't sound good to me. The fact it doesn't turn up on labs like dbol methyl e2 makes it extremely hard to dial in..

I did start injecting e2 cyp this week, i'll see where i end up in a few weeks..
 
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Sampei said:
I have zero experience and maybe some raws inbound xD

If I hadn't gyno gland cut out I would say man tits was the next step in my evolution, luckily for me probably I'll just cry in front of any movies while wondering why.

@bigdaddyandfriends does primo or EQ counteract trest estrogen production or it's like DBOL where it's a special kind of estrogen so no fucking way to control it much?

20mg/day is a bit too much for first time ment? 10mg better?
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It aromatizes exactly as test, but to a lesser extent (about 35% binding affinity to aromatase). But…the 7α-methylation potentiatea transcriptional activity via ER by about 400% compared to physiologic estradiol despite similar binding affinity (102%). And importantly that 7α-methylation blocks binding to SHBG - birth for the androgen and estrogen. So I consider MENT to be about 2x test in terms of estrogenicity as test, based on all these factors. But it’s 10-20x as potent as test as an an androgen; just 800mcg per day (via implants) maintained lean body mass as well as 200mg/wj Test C.

So competitive inhibitors (anastrozole and questionably DHTs) are not very effective with MENT because it is already poorly competitive with aromatase compared to test. Using anastrozole with it will cut your estradiol much more so than 7α-methylestadiol.

Non-competitive inhibitors like Aromasin work fine, however. That is to a point, they can only drop aromatase activity by about 70% in men, regardless of dose, so if using say 100mg/day MENT, there will still be too much estrogen activity. Then you need to add high dose letrozole which is the H-bomb for estrogen.

In someone with decent cycle experience and familiarity with high vs low estrogen symptoms, I’d start at 5mg/day and raise 1-2mg per week as tolerated, as it’s typically acetate (the shortest of all esters).

I don’t even bother checking my
E2 any more. If I start getting too emotional - like getting choked up for no good reason seeing a video or hearing a song - I pop 25mg Exesin and that typically keeps me good for 3-4 days. So basically I use a full dose of Aromasin prn - chasing lab values never worked well, I’d often have low or high e2 symptoms even when numbers looked good.
 
bigdaddyandfriends said:
It aromatizes exactly as test, but to a lesser extent (about 35% binding affinity to aromatase). But…the 7α-methylation potentiatea transcriptional activity via ER by about 400% compared to physiologic estradiol despite similar binding affinity (102%). And importantly that 7α-methylation blocks binding to SHBG - birth for the androgen and estrogen. So I consider MENT to be about 2x test in terms of estrogenicity as test, based on all these factors. But it’s 10-20x as potent as test as an an androgen; just 800mcg per day (via implants) maintained lean body mass as well as 200mg/wj Test C.

So competitive inhibitors (anastrozole and questionably DHTs) are not very effective with MENT because it is already poorly competitive with aromatase compared to test. Using anastrozole with it will cut your estradiol much more so than 7α-methylestadiol.

Non-competitive inhibitors like Aromasin work fine, however. That is to a point, they can only drop aromatase activity by about 70% in men, regardless of dose, so if using say 100mg/day MENT, there will still be too much estrogen activity. Then you need to add high dose letrozole which is the H-bomb for estrogen.

In someone with decent cycle experience and familiarity with high vs low estrogen symptoms, I’d start at 5mg/day and raise 1-2mg per week as tolerated, as it’s typically acetate (the shortest of all esters).

I don’t even bother checking my
E2 any more. If I start getting too emotional - like getting choked up for no good reason seeing a video or hearing a song - I pop 25mg Exesin and that typically keeps me good for 3-4 days. So basically I use a full dose of Aromasin prn - chasing lab values never worked well, I’d often have low or high e2 symptoms even when numbers looked good.
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So 50mg/week of ment is going to be approxmately 2x50=100mg of Test?
What would you rate Dbol at for estrogenicity v test?

What about in the case of EQ whereby it floods your body with Estrone e1 preventing conversion?
 
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cajunpauper said:
Is pench bringing some trest to market? I need more information to consume, but not to buy.
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I am sir, I have the Trestolone Ace on me. It not synthesized just yet.

I did run out of stoppers both actually, the (West Pharma PTFE and FluroTech) but I did manage to change out about 80% of the entire assembly line. What's left with silicone is T400, Test prop, Deca and Sus250, the remaining Wheaton land tomorrow according to tracking.


I know folks want to know when I will open lets push for tomorrow evening? I really would like to change out the remaining compounds.
 
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OEP LABS said:
I am sir, I have the Trestolone Ace on me. It not synthesized just yet.

I did run out of stoppers both actually, the (West Pharma PTFE and FluroTech) but I did manage to change out about 80% of the entire assembly line. What's left with silicone is T400, Test prop, Deca and Sus250, the remaining Wheaton land tomorrow according to tracking.
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Still can’t like but pretend I did
 
OEP LABS said:
I am sir, I have the Trestolone Ace on me. It not synthesized just yet.

I did run out of stoppers both actually, the (West Pharma PTFE and FluroTech) but I did manage to change out about 80% of the entire assembly line. What's left with silicone is T400, Test prop, Deca and Sus250, the remaining Wheaton land tomorrow according to tracking.


I know folks want to know when I will open lets push for tomorrow evening? I really would like to change out the remaining compounds.
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Trestolone Ace is for oral mentabolan? Or injectable trest?

I’m ignorant, not questioning what you sourced. I don’t know nearly enough about this compound.
 
cajunpauper said:
Trestolone Ace is for oral mentabolan? Or injectable trest?

I’m ignorant, not questioning what you sourced. I don’t know nearly enough about this compound.
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From off the top of my head, anyone can correct me if I’m wrong. It is an exotic compound Trest ans Ment are same and it does aromatize pretty quickly.

My protocol long ago was roughly 30-40mg Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Muscle bellies felt full and overall just very tight. Pumps were very much noticeably different.

These animals doing 100mg 3x times a week must be built different. Thats a lot but then again im old lol
 
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