Offseason Fats

[TheH0517]

I’ve been reading a lot about effects of different fats and how the body processes the different molecular chains. Most unsaturated fats supposedly lead to brown fat gain while saturated and trans fats lead to more white fat gain. Brown fat gain is supposed to actually burn calories to sustain certain health functions while white fat is just adipose tissue that we all despise.

Where I’m going with this is trying to get opinions on saturated fat vs unsaturated fat. I know a lot of hate on saturated fat has been debunked, as long as animal fats are grass/grain fed.

Do you feel one should stick to 10% of fat intake coming from saturated fats while the rest come from unsaturated fats in order to avoid excessive fat gain during a calorie surplus? Could this help with fat prevention and the body’s ability to process fat intake efficiently? Would 1 red meat meal and the rest from nuts, olive oil, avocado, etc. be a “better” alternative to eating 2-3 red meat meal per day?

 

[SaneDog]

You definitely make some good points.

 

[B Ware]

Subbed

 

[TAKESHI]

I’ve been reading a lot about effects of different fats and how the body processes the different molecular chains. Most unsaturated fats supposedly lead to brown fat gain while saturated and trans fats lead to more white fat gain. Brown fat gain is supposed to actually burn calories to sustain certain health functions while white fat is just adipose tissue that we all despise.

Where I’m going with this is trying to get opinions on saturated fat vs unsaturated fat. I know a lot of hate on saturated fat has been debunked, as long as animal fats are grass/grain fed.

Do you feel one should stick to 10% of fat intake coming from saturated fats while the rest come from unsaturated fats in order to avoid excessive fat gain during a calorie surplus? Could this help with fat prevention and the body’s ability to process fat intake efficiently? Would 1 red meat meal and the rest from nuts, olive oil, avocado, etc. be a “better” alternative to eating 2-3 red meat meal per day?

I honestly don’t think it would make much of a difference aesthetically unless your competing and are 5% BF. Then maybe you might be able to tell the difference. Blood work my be able to

Also to answer your other question, YES it would be better to not only get your fats from a variety of foods other then meat. It would also be beneficial to do the same with your protein. The majority of my protein is plant based, but with lots of eggs, moderate dairy and a small amount of fish.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Is there some support for “most” in either of those instances? I’m sure there’s a study you read. If this was a study, was caloric intake and macro breakdown maintained with only the fat source changing?

TONS of variables here. Until i see any reason otherwise red meat is a staple of mine for both my taste and for performance. That doesn’t mean a variety of fats isn’t a good idea. I just checked my diet and it looks like ~35-40% of my fats are saturated. My lipid panels have never suffered for anything but the brief deflections from gear that impact it.

 

[TheH0517]

I honestly don’t think it would make much of a difference aesthetically unless your competing and are 5% BF. Then maybe you might be able to tell the difference. Blood work my be able to

Also to answer your other question, YES it would be better to not only get your fats from a variety of foods other then meat. It would also be beneficial to do the same with your protein. The majority of my protein is plant based, but with lots of eggs, moderate dairy and a small amount of fish.

Is there some support for “most” in either of those instances? I’m sure there’s a study you read. If this was a study, was caloric intake and macro breakdown maintained with only the fat source changing?

TONS of variables here. Until i see any reason otherwise red meat is a staple of mine for both my taste and for performance. That doesn’t mean a variety of fats isn’t a good idea. I just checked my diet and it looks like ~35-40% of my fats are saturated. My lipid panels have never suffered for anything but the brief deflections from gear that impact it.

I believe I read one study where the group that consumed only unsaturated fats gained less fat than the group that consumed the majority fats from saturated. But there’s sooooo many variables that can skew the results that I don’t really rely on those studies.

But I’ve read plenty of articles, even from experience bodybuilders that talk about the positive effects on metabolism and even skin thickness when unsaturated fats are used primarily instead of saturated fats. I’ve even read multiple articles where they debunk that saturated fats are bad for us, but still they recommend that only 10% of fat intake comes from saturated fats.

And then I’ve studied a lot of pro’s diets and there’s some that run on multiple meals of red meats, and even those who eat fast food all day, but so many of them consume mainly chicken and one steak meal. Like the majority that I watch whose physiques I admire most.

I think now that I have a much much better grasp on my caloric needs, I’m going to just try it out. 4 chicken meals, whey isolate, 1 beef meal, and 1 salmon meal, with some walnuts and olive oil for fats. Just to see how it effects me. That’s the only way to really know, right?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

IMO sub one chicken meal for eggs and that’s a sound diet.

 

[TheH0517]

IMO sub one chicken meal for eggs and that’s a sound diet.

Sorry! Eggs and egg whites for breakfast

I’ll be creating a log in the cycle threads to give a detailed log of my progress. Diet, training, and drugs. So I’ll be sure to share how it’s working and adjust if it isn’t.

 

[TheH0517]

Oh, and beef is amazing. It’ll definitely be used in a lot of my cheat meals along the way to satisfy my taste buds.

 

[TAKESHI]

Oh, and beef is amazing. It’ll definitely be used in a lot of my cheat meals along the way to satisfy my taste buds.

I used to be a big meat eater, not so much beef though. I’d honestly rather eat tacos de chivo (goat) or carnitas or leg of lamb. Lean beef is tasteless!

So I get most of my fats from tuna and salmon, eggs, avocado oil and fresh avocado. Hemp seeds, almond butter, peanut butter and MCT. I do whey and cheese but don’t do milk or butter. I know I’m weird!

 

[TheH0517]

I used to be a big meat eater, not so much beef though. I’d honestly rather eat tacos de chivo (goat) or carnitas or leg of lamb. Lean beef is tasteless!

So I get most of my fats from tuna and salmon, eggs, avocado oil and fresh avocado. Hemp seeds, almond butter, peanut butter and MCT. I do whey and cheese but don’t do milk or butter. This has been. I know I’m weird!

Not too weird man! I look forward to my eggs and eat cheese every once in a while, especially on low carb days. I love some seared tuna steaks and LOOVE grilled salmon. I only use almond milk, I don’t believe in drinking milk from another mammal, although some chocolate milk is amazing and lactose tolerant people will be the last to survive given milk is our only naturally produced food.

 

[TAKESHI]

Not too weird man! I look forward to my eggs and eat cheese every once in a while, especially on low carb days. I love some seared tuna steaks and LOOVE grilled salmon. I only use almond milk, I don’t believe in drinking milk from another mammal, although some chocolate milk is amazing and lactose tolerant people will be the last to survive given milk is our only naturally produced food.

Dude this blended with isolate, oats, banana and peanut butter is my jam!
It has more protein the regular milk.

 

[johntt44]

I used to be a big meat eater, not so much beef though. I’d honestly rather eat tacos de chivo (goat) or carnitas or leg of lamb. Lean beef is tasteless!

So I get most of my fats from tuna and salmon, eggs, avocado oil and fresh avocado. Hemp seeds, almond butter, peanut butter and MCT. I do whey and cheese but don’t do milk or butter. I know I’m weird!

I like goat but leg of lamb is too gamey. Tastes, smells like an armpit (don't ask). I like beef but yeah if it's lean beef you've got to mix it with things. Fatty beef is good tasting though. I eat salmon or tuna steaks once or twice a week. Not much of a chicken eater. Birds are nasty fuckers, beaks, shit everywhere, parasites, gnarly feet. I don't think I've EVER ordered a chicken meal at a restaurant. I can eat chicken breast with cream of mushroom soup or parmesan crusted that my wife makes.

 

[TAKESHI]

I like goat but leg of lamb is too gamey. Tastes, smells like an armpit (don't ask). I like beef but yeah if it's lean beef you've got to mix it with things. Fatty beef is good tasting though. I eat salmon or tuna steaks once or twice a week. Not much of a chicken eater. Birds are nasty fuckers, beaks, shit everywhere, parasites, gnarly feet. I don't think I've EVER ordered a chicken meal at a restaurant. I can eat chicken breast with cream of mushroom soup or parmesan crusted that my wife makes.

The lamb has to be done right my man.
You need to cut it from the bone and coat the inside and outside with lots of olive oil, garlic, fresh rosemary and thyme. Then wrap it back up and tie it with twine. Let it sit for 24/48 hours and roast it up with carrots, potatoes, shallots. Deglaze the pan with red wine to make a sauce. Lol and I don’t even eat meat anymore. Enjoy!

 

[johntt44]

The lamb has to be done right my man.
You need to cut it from the bone and coat the inside and outside with lots of olive oil, garlic, fresh rosemary and thyme. Then wrap it back up and tie it with twine. Let it sit for 24/48 hours and roast it up with carrots, potatoes, shallots. Deglaze the pan with red wine to make a sauce. Lol and I don’t even eat meat anymore. Enjoy!

I like lamb chops and rack of lamb just not leg of lamb. I've tried it a few different times. Not for me

 

[jJjburton]

I have been taking 3 shots of olive oil a day and have not noticed any difference....Yes thats 200 grams on fats.


Only thing now is my shit is softer and I will get some stomach aches.

 

[TheH0517]

I have been taking 3 shots of olive oil a day and have not noticed any difference....Yes thats 200 grams on fats.


Only thing now is my shit is softer and I will get some stomach aches.

I guess I didn’t really specify but I’m aiming to keep fats lower this go round. About 20% of calories on workout days and 30% of rest days. I’ve read your posts and I’m a little different where I put weight on easily so extra shots of olive oil is a different approach than where I’m headed lol.

I’m referring to taking in those 20% of calories by having chicken and nuts is place of beef whereas your just adding in extra calories because you can’t gain. It’s not easy to notice a fat to lbm ratio when you aren’t gaining anything at all.

 

[FourOneDeuxFitt]

Sorry! Eggs and egg whites for breakfast

I’ll be creating a log in the cycle threads to give a detailed log of my progress. Diet, training, and drugs. So I’ll be sure to share how it’s working and adjust if it isn’t.

I'm subbed for it i like the diet set up that's about how mine was as well before my accident and honestly man I feel like that was the leanest and healthiest ive felt in my life. Ate eggs a couple times a day normally breakfast and sometimes before bed or subbed for cottage cheese from time to time (not the fat free shit). Mostly chicken or turkey meals and salmon once a day as well. Olive oil on almost all meals and sometimes some almond butter (love the maranatha brand) but seriously. The higher saturated fats IMO made me feel great

 

[TheH0517]

I'm subbed for it i like the diet set up that's about how mine was as well before my accident and honestly man I feel like that was the leanest and healthiest ive felt in my life. Ate eggs a couple times a day normally breakfast and sometimes before bed or subbed for cottage cheese from time to time (not the fat free shit). Mostly chicken or turkey meals and salmon once a day as well. Olive oil on almost all meals and sometimes some almond butter (love the maranatha brand) but seriously. The higher saturated fats IMO made me feel great

I had decent results with 3 beef meals/day last year, but I’m running slin so I’m just trying to make sure my diets on point. I’ll keep y’all updated with every detail of my diet in the log.