Old man tren update

[Mfras]

I've been on 100/week just short of 4 months.

Was pondering your tren cruise and curious- do you feel like you’re just living a new normal with the temporary hardness and fullness? Or are you leveraging the tren for durable benefits that have proven to stay after the cycle?

All respect and not asking as someone who knows better. I’m not interested in running tren again except maybe a mild hot and shorter 6 week cycle sub 12% to see a polished look and see if any strength gains come on in a very slight surplus. But I’m super curious what you’re getting out of it, especially since the primary effect I noticed on me was simultaneous higher bodyweight and sharper leaner look.

 

[BigDadd7]

So not a cycle- a tren cruise haha

Pimpin ain't easy

 

[bananafeet]

Pimpin ain't easy

 

[RockyP]

All good points-
● avoid dieting for 6+ months if possible
● taper off slowly if using acetate
● avoid going to heavy and causing injury, especially 40+ crowd

I agree with most everything said in this video with exception of diet. I still prefer higher carbs while doing a lot of weight training. But for us old guys this is a nice reminder from an authoritative source. The old me would have listened to this and said “none of this applies if you’re enhanced.” Wrong. I’ve been in my house all day with essentially flu like aches and pains from overtraining and finally feeling the lack of tren’s glucocorticoid antagonism. Not only do these points apply to the enhanced crowd, I’d say even more so than naturals. When you’re enhanced you can get yourself into way more trouble in terms of overtraining, as I’ve so idiotically done to myself.


View: https://youtu.be/EhrU_OKzKcY?si=U4NKKjULSw15ijna

 

[Astartes]

I agree with most everything said in this video with exception of diet. I still prefer higher carbs while doing a lot of weight training. But for us old guys this is a nice reminder from an authoritative source. The old me would have listened to this and said “none of this applies if you’re enhanced.” Wrong. I’ve been in my house all day with essentially flu like aches and pains from overtraining and finally feeling the lack of tren’s glucocorticoid antagonism. Not only do these points apply to the enhanced crowd, I’d say even more so than naturals. When you’re enhanced you can get yourself into way more trouble in terms of overtraining, as I’ve so idiotically done to myself.


View: https://youtu.be/EhrU_OKzKcY?si=U4NKKjULSw15ijna

^ This

4 months shy of 50. Could have probably had my pro card in 30s. Ex Pro MMA guy. Former Tier 2 guy. 25+ years lifting enhanced.

I give myself 1 full day off between upper body exercises. Resist training only 4 days a week. Best thing I have ever done after 40 and SHOULD have done in my 30s…

Stop over training after 35

No longer lift heavy. 255-265 at 6’ and 10-15% BF. 15-30 reps with 3-5 second eccentric. A full week off every 6-8 weeks. Poof. Joint and tendon issues GONE.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I agree with most everything said in this video with exception of diet. I still prefer higher carbs while doing a lot of weight training. But for us old guys this is a nice reminder from an authoritative source. The old me would have listened to this and said “none of this applies if you’re enhanced.” Wrong. I’ve been in my house all day with essentially flu like aches and pains from overtraining and finally feeling the lack of tren’s glucocorticoid antagonism. Not only do these points apply to the enhanced crowd, I’d say even more so than naturals. When you’re enhanced you can get yourself into way more trouble in terms of overtraining, as I’ve so idiotically done to myself.


View: https://youtu.be/EhrU_OKzKcY?si=U4NKKjULSw15ijna

I've spent the last couple days on the couch and at 45 I don't see how you expect me to train with less intensity. It works I'm getting bigger and stronger almost too quickly but my CNS is getting fucked and I'm training with fairly low volume. Pretty high intensity. Not sure what I'm doing wrong ...and you're telling me the gear im running is making things worse???

 

[Mfras]

I've spent the last couple days on the couch and at 45 I don't see how you expect me to train with less intensity. It works I'm getting bigger and stronger almost too quickly but my CNS is getting fucked and I'm training with fairly low volume. Pretty high intensity. Not sure what I'm doing wrong ...and you're telling me the gear im running is making things worse???

I always push harder on cycle to find the new limit of recoverable training figuring that’s a lot of the benefit of being on in the first place. I can’t tell if you two are talking about the same thing or not- are we talking about the period of increased strength and recovery that happens in the meat of a PED cycle? Are we talking about what happens if your training intensity doesn’t find a lower pitch as you come off cycle and are interested in consolidating and keeping new tissue without hurting yourself?

Or are we talking about stretching cycles past the point of adapting to the new androgenic environment where now we’re building stress and not benefiting from the novel introduction of force and growth multiplying drugs any more and trying to force growth in a stagnant period that offers more downsides than positives?

I’m old, I’m growing, I’m constantly on the edge of overtraining, and trying to not be dragged down by nagging injury or stay on cycle when it’s not helping any more.

Even my current cruise, though mild and not especially damaging, at a couple months in already is probably past it’s prime as a serious driver of recomp and doing more for me psychologically than physically- a little extra test for trt+, a little deca to smooth the joints, and a little mast for feelgood bennies is not needed over TRT to finish my cut successfully, but it sure makes lifting just a little more fun and I want to go lift every day. So there’s that too. For sure it’s helping me retain tissue in a cut, but with diminishing returns compared to a solid generous TRT dose.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I always push harder on cycle to find the new limit of recoverable training figuring that’s a lot of the benefit of being on in the first place. I can’t tell if you two are talking about the same thing or not- are we talking about the period of increased strength and recovery that happens in the meat of a PED cycle? Are we talking about what happens if your training intensity doesn’t find a lower pitch as you come off cycle and are interested in consolidating and keeping new tissue without hurting yourself?

Or are we talking about stretching cycles past the point of adapting to the new androgenic environment where now we’re building stress and not benefiting from the novel introduction of force and growth multiplying drugs any more and trying to force growth in a stagnant period that offers more downsides than positives?

I’m old, I’m growing, I’m constantly on the edge of overtraining, and trying to not be dragged down by nagging injury or stay on cycle when it’s not helping any more.

Even my current cruise, though mild and not especially damaging, at a couple months in already is probably past it’s prime as a serious driver of recomp and doing more for me psychologically than physically- a little extra test for trt+, a little deca to smooth the joints, and a little mast for feelgood bennies is not needed over TRT to finish my cut successfully, but it sure makes lifting just a little more fun and I want to go lift every day. So there’s that too. For sure it’s helping me retain tissue in a cut, but with diminishing returns compared to a solid generous TRT dose.

What im saying is I am a couple weeks into a cycle and training at high intensity and it seems to be crushing my CNS.

 

[Stinkyq]

So you're done with the tren. Did you have anything on standby just incase for sides? Also I assume no pct because your crusing. If you decide to stop im the future(I might) what will you run pct?

 

[RockyP]

I've spent the last couple days on the couch and at 45 I don't see how you expect me to train with less intensity. It works I'm getting bigger and stronger almost too quickly but my CNS is getting fucked and I'm training with fairly low volume. Pretty high intensity. Not sure what I'm doing wrong ...and you're telling me the gear im running is making things worse???

No not making things worse. But the gear allows us to train harder / longer thereby making it critical for us to be sure we recover even more. The last time I trained for size and strength I was only on HRT and I only trained 4 days per week. I needed 3 off days to recover from the heavy lifts, all of which would have been heavier with more volume had I been on cycle (thereby needing even more recovery).

 

[hellerhiwater]

All good points-
● avoid dieting for 6+ months if possible
● taper off slowly if using acetate
● avoid going to heavy and causing injury, especially 40+ crowd

are you saying to generally not diet for 6+ months, to not diet for 6+ months before starting tren, or to not diet for 6+ months after coming off?

have no plans to eat clen, tren hard, anavar give up, but i couldnt parse your comment and it was bugging me...i should probably go to sleep

 

[adrenalytic]

What im saying is I am a couple weeks into a cycle and training at high intensity and it seems to be crushing my CNS.

How many carbs are you pushing during the peri-workout window? Do you have any intra-workout carb source? Sounds like you're not glycogen loading properly.

 

[BigDadd7]

are you saying to generally not diet for 6+ months, to not diet for 6+ months before starting tren, or to not diet for 6+ months after coming off?

have no plans to eat clen, tren hard, anavar give up, but i couldnt parse your comment and it was bugging me...i should probably go to sleep

I think dieting for such a long time can be hard on the body. That's not to say someone who needs to lose 100 lbs shouldn't diet. There is a difference between dieting for mornid obesity and dieting for cutting.

 

[RockyP]

I think dieting for such a long time can be hard on the body. That's not to say someone who needs to lose 100 lbs shouldn't diet. There is a difference between dieting for mornid obesity and dieting for cutting.

Agree. If you’re needing to lose a lot of weight for health reasons then there’s no reason to stop before you hit your goal. But when “cutting” 6 months is excessive I will admit (and why I’m burning out). Even contest preps are usually 12 weeks, but when they are 16-20 those first 8 weeks are usually a massing phase to gain some tissue and get the metabolism revving before a very hard cutting phase which even with elite genetics and lots of drugs can’t last more than 12 weeks.

 

[Mfras]

Agree. If you’re needing to lose a lot of weight for health reasons then there’s no reason to stop before you hit your goal. But when “cutting” 6 months is excessive I will admit (and why I’m burning out). Even contest preps are usually 12 weeks, but when they are 16-20 those first 8 weeks are usually a massing phase to gain some tissue and get the metabolism revving before a very hard cutting phase which even with elite genetics and lots of drugs can’t last more than 12 weeks.

I’m in that camp- extremely long cut. Took a couple maintenance breaks but mostly cycled periods of 6 weeks at different calories, keeping training, protein, and recovery basically the same but modulating strict calorie ceilings from 1900-2300 and seeing how they affected lbs lost per week vs energy and mood.

Just hit 254 again on the scale this morning- should be high 16% bodyfat. As my own old man tren ace experiment fades out the water is starting to go away. There’s both a little more softness but also detail is coming out more- flexed ditches in my obliques, central ab line cutting in more.

Definitely gonna slide more into training for retention and protection of FFM as I get more into the range where a BB would be cutting after a smart bulk, and looking forward to growing again after a health and maintenance period this spring. But yeah I’m anticipating recomp to slow/stop and to have to accept losing a rep here and there, being more careful with tendons, and not seeing PRs or progressive overload for a few months.

 

[PittFan]

At 52 and having done most of what is spoken about in this thread, I still learn new things just by reading. This has such value.