On Cycle. Motivation is Zero.

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I once did those "new school" thing, like 100-150 test e per week and filled the rest up with other steroids. I had like 0 motivation for anything too. When I went back to "old school" dosage - like "test is best" - the motivation came back. Maybe it could be that in your case too.

I will second this. It wasnt until just last year that I started runnung more then TRT test. It makes a difference.

 

[Tbaz192]

Makes a little more sense. I had to quit my career and move to something else because it was 12-14 hour days of physical labor and I wanted to bodybuild. Most people cant just up and quit though. I think I still wouldn’t commit to a full cycle until either work had slowed down enough or I had some sort of routine where I knew I’d be able to be perfect with my training schedule (and eat enough to be gaining that 1-2lb/week on top of all the calories I was burning at work)

I’m about to put my two weeks for this reason as well. This job is now getting in the way of other things. And Forcing me to hit the gym either very early or after work at the busiest time. Not if fan of either. I do my best after a few meals & when I don’t have to wait for equipment. Doing a whole 180 on my schedule. To aid in dedicating damn near everything to the gym and performance.

 

[Eddie.]

i would rather guess that his e2 is still high.
he says its over 100 on 300 test, and hes on 600 test with 6mg asin 3x week.
that asin dosage may be barely sufficient for the 300 test.
plus the extra estrogen sensitisation from the tren (yes, tren does that, many dont know).

Agree, and he says twice per week not 3x which is absurdly low for a high aromatizer. I was taking 6,25 e3d on 210 test + HCG and my e2 was 106mg/dl. With 600 test + tren i'd probably need 12,5mg every other day if not more. Having a high e2 from test only it's not that much of an issue but combine this with 19nor and it's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Tbaz192]

I once did those "new school" thing, like 100-150 test e per week and filled the rest up with other steroids. I had like 0 motivation for anything too. When I went back to "old school" dosage - like "test is best" - the motivation came back. Maybe it could be that in your case too.

Honestly probably going to drop the tren. If my labs come back clean. And go back to just test cycle. Just to see what changes. I’ll probably feel night and day different. Glad I didn’t get a bunch of tren/other steroids. Only picked up a few to see how I responded.

 

[buzzingonaas]

I’m about to put my two weeks for this reason as well. This job is now getting in the way of other things. And Forcing me to hit the gym either very early or after work at the busiest time. Not if fan of either. I do my best after a few meals & when I don’t have to wait for equipment. Doing a whole 180 on my schedule. To aid in dedicating damn near everything to the gym and performance.

It was a great change that I’ll never regret. It’s tough making enough money now but I have faith I’ll get to the same point soon. I can put as much as possible into training now

 

[jJjburton]

100% once I started to get into more things. I flipped that switch and was like I can’t make excuses on diet and other things. But unfortunately sometimes you go to the gym and feel awful. And going thru that lift will just leave you so depleted & you feel like shit ex: when you’re sick or missed a meal or two because life gets busy. So I move a little weight/ do cardio or mobility work. Small little things can get in the way. Unfortunately I can’t live a bodybuilder life style where I’m strictly just living to eat, train, relax, eat more and get huge. I have bills to pay and work to deal with :/

Smoothies!!!! They are the answer for food.
Force yourself to gym, use laborous work as fasted cardio with hgh.

 

[Thecabanaboy]

Might be the Tren. Makes me groggy and sluggish. Might try dropping that.

 

[Tbaz192]

I’ll be getting labs Monday. Just waited at my local Lab. Very well known company. Had an appointment set days prior. Sat there and waited an hour. Ended up walking out. As people kept coming in and going straight back before me…So I’m never coming back here. Going to my other lab place Monday.
Being fasted till mid afternoon for labs isnt great. I need to eat.

 

[lukiss96]

I’ll be getting labs Monday. Just waited at my local Lab. Very well known company. Had an appointment set days prior. Sat there and waited an hour. Ended up walking out. As people kept coming in and going straight back before me…So I’m never coming back here. Going to my other lab place Monday.
Being fasted till mid afternoon for labs isnt great. I need to eat.

Strange, you should ask staff how it works. I'm sure those people were registered before you, so their time for visit was earlier. Next time ask around if you're unsure about your visit time and when it's scheduled. There must be some order at every clinic.

 

[Tbaz192]

Strange, you should ask staff how it works. I'm sure those people were registered before you, so their time for visit was earlier. Next time ask around if you're unsure about your visit time and when it's scheduled. There must be some order at every clinic.

Yes quite strange. I’ve come here in the past for job drug tests. Only took 10 minutes. Unfortunately the lady at the desk was not in a great mood. So I didn’t even want to ask wtf is going on. My guess. they take local doctor orders first & third party lab company/walk ins are last. Who knows tho. I’ll ask next time If I ever go back.
Figured having an appointment set time that was over an hour ago would warrant some “hey we’ll be right with you. Sorry for the delay.”
Also had people with appointments an hour after me start coming in. Cluster for sure.

 

[Juicedhead]

Lethargy bro, tren is toxic. I used to work construction 50-60 hr work weeks dead serious 6 days a week. I was on a ton of gear and being 250lbs doing all this manual work and then training an hour after I got off 5 days a week. I can do this, but when I would add tren I felt lethargic and tired all the time. The shit is just so toxic it just drains your energy if you’re already a really active person. Just my opinion

 

[Tbaz192]

Lethargy bro, tren is toxic. I used to work construction 50-60 hr work weeks dead serious 6 days a week. I was on a ton of gear and being 250lbs doing all this manual work and then training an hour after I got off 5 days a week. I can do this, but when I would add tren I felt lethargic and tired all the time. The shit is just so toxic it just drains your energy if you’re already a really active person. Just my opinion

Ohhhhh man 50-60 hours. I barely push 40 hours and I’m quitting! My knee just can’t take it. Between the gym and demo/hauling work.
Since I posted this a few days ago. I started forcing myself to sleep more. Getting 9 hours a night now no matter what. Even tho I wake up few times a night drenched in sweat. Definitely toxic. And I’ll throw a 30 minute nap in after work. Seems to be helping a good bit. My body is sore as fuck tho. Definitely was just pushing myself a bit too much. So I upped my calories as well. Which all this seems to be helping most of my issues. We’ll see as the days go on!

 

[monsterolympia]

While on Tren I'm always required to be on Modafinil, keeps me alright

 

[Tbaz192]

Alright yall!
my lab results back.
Testosterone came back at 3400
Estrogen (sensitive) 25

I haven’t changed my doses at all. And I feel great. Slightly dry joints and okay libido so I’m going to dial back the aromasin a tad.
I also upped my telmisartan which seems to be helping. Think it was quite possible my high BP was causing fatigue/headaches. Because of that I started sleeping earlier and longer.
Also increased my supplements almost 2-3x a day. Fish oil, tuduca, RYR, magnesium, zinc, MV, Taurine, Fiber, etc…

Not sure why I was feeling like shit. My guess everything was still saturating and just hitting me hard. And on top of my estrogen going from 99 to 25 the hormone change just wrecked me. But I’m feeling great now. I’ll see how I feel with dialing the AI back a tad.

It feels like the first few months in the gym again. Motivated. Getting lean /cut yet the scale is going up
Life is good.
Appreciate y’alls input! And will continue to appreciate it.

 

[Sector]

Alright yall!
my lab results back.
Testosterone came back at 3400
Estrogen (sensitive) 25

I haven’t changed my doses at all. And I feel great. Slightly dry joints and okay libido so I’m going to dial back the aromasin a tad.
I also upped my telmisartan which seems to be helping. Think it was quite possible my high BP was causing fatigue/headaches. Because of that I started sleeping earlier and longer.
Also increased my supplements almost 2-3x a day. Fish oil, tuduca, RYR, magnesium, zinc, MV, Taurine, Fiber, etc…

Not sure why I was feeling like shit. My guess everything was still saturating and just hitting me hard. And on top of my estrogen going from 99 to 25 the hormone change just wrecked me. But I’m feeling great now. I’ll see how I feel with dialing the AI back a tad.

It feels like the first few months in the gym again. Motivated. Getting lean /cut yet the scale is going up
Life is good.
Appreciate y’alls input! And will continue to appreciate it.

Glad to hear you got it sorted out man!

 

[WFB Strongest]

You using Stan on those bloods as well?

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

It‘s currently the same for me on a Test/Tren/Var cut.

Are you in a calorie deficit as well? I find the combination of worse sleep, the toxicity of Tren and very little food straight up fucks you up. Lethargy, moodiness,… That’s where you have to rely on discipline and just continue.

How much var? That stuff at >50mg makes me lethargic asf just in daily life let alone getting energy for the gym

 

[easterbunny]

How much var? That stuff at >50mg makes me lethargic asf just in daily life let alone getting energy for the gym

I‘m on 40mg Anavar per day. For me it‘s the opposite, Test/Var makes me feel perfectly fine, but as soon as Tren comes in, it’s over.

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

I‘m on 40mg Anavar per day. For me it‘s the opposite, Test/Var makes me feel perfectly fine, but as soon as Tren comes in, it’s over.

How many weeks in? After like 4-5 weeks I had to stop the var.

I’m currently on my 2nd week of first run with Tren. Very light dose but so far energy is increased

 

[easterbunny]

How many weeks in? After like 4-5 weeks I had to stop the var.

I’m currently on my 2nd week of first run with Tren. Very light dose but so far energy is increased

About 11 weeks in, Anavar since 5 weeks. Have fun with your Tren cycle, starting with a low dosage is good.

I think your calorie intake plays a big role as well.