One month after PCT. Is this my new baseline?

[thejumpingsheep]

Some experienced help would be appreciated.

As the topic stated, im trying to make heads or tails of my latest bloods. I did my 1st cycle earlier this year, with T-C at about 500mg and HCG at low dose and started Resuvostatin + fish oil about mid cycle. Loaded extra HCG for a couple of weeks after cycle. Waited another 2 weeks and did Nolvadex + Clomid for exactly 4 weeks. Pulled labs about 5 weeks later.

I will list pre-cycle from back in Nov 2024 and current:

Free T - 398 -> 802 ng/dL
E2 - undetectable (<14) -> 38.5 pg/mL
SHBG - 36 -> 49.8 nmol/dL

So I guess my question is are these changes due to just PCT? When I do the steroid plotter, it shows that I should have nearly nothing from the TC in my system any more at 11 weeks post cycle. Is that not right? Is this my new baseline?

 

[buck]

If it has only been a 5 weeks since you stopped doing any drugs i doubt your body has stabilized. Check things in a few months to see where you are.

 

[IndividualMan]

PCT too early, bloodwork too early. might have to run another PCT at some point

 

[thejumpingsheep]

PCT too early, bloodwork too early. might have to run another PCT at some point

I was following guidelines on the PCT Guideline post in the PCT forum. I think the recommendation for PCT start was 35 days. I think I did 33 days exactly, so pretty close. What would be the reason to wait longer? Just to let more of the T clear up?

 

[thejumpingsheep]

If it has only been a 5 weeks since you stopped doing any drugs i doubt your body has stabilized. Check things in a few months to see where you are.

Ok that might be true. You feel it takes another month?

So my calculations were based on half life. I think half life on Nolvadex and Clomid was like 6 days average. So in theory, at 5 weeks, it went through about 6 half cycles. So levels should be at about 1.6% give or take.

The PCT guide on Meso also recommended to pull tests 2-3 weeks after end of PCT. I waited 5 because of the half life measures. I figured that would be enough.

I guess my big question is do these SARMs raise T levels this much on their own? Is that right?

 

[IndividualMan]

I was following guidelines on the PCT Guideline post in the PCT forum. I think the recommendation for PCT start was 35 days. I think I did 33 days exactly, so pretty close. What would be the reason to wait longer? Just to let more of the T clear up?

usually a month is enough time to fully clear everything when running short esters, Phenylprop/prop/ acetate. even 20ish days would be enough with those. with longer esters, i would rely on bloodwork to know when they cleared, starting bloodwork 35 days after and following up with testing T levels every 2 weeks after that until low enough for PCT.

I guess my big question is do these SARMs raise T levels this much on their own? Is that right?

Which Sarms? why would you take SARMS to suppress yourself after/during PCT?

 

[thejumpingsheep]

usually a month is enough time to fully clear everything when running short esters, Phenylprop/prop/ acetate. even 20ish days would be enough with those. with longer esters, i would rely on bloodwork to know when they cleared, starting bloodwork 35 days after and following up with testing T levels every 2 weeks after that until low enough for PCT.


Which Sarms? why would you take SARMS to suppress yourself after/during PCT?

Yea sorry Nolvadex and Clomid are SERMs not SARMs. I hate acronyms... Nothing else being taken aside from the Resovustatin.

Ok so you are saying not to rely on the half life alone. That makes sense. I didnt realize the variation could be this high. I figured even if off, it will be like a couple of percentage points, and mostly negligible for the sake of testing. But I could be totally off base. I guess I will wait a while more before starting my next cycle.

 

[IndividualMan]

or you could just blast and cruise, and avoid all this worry and uncertainty

 

[thejumpingsheep]

or you could just blast and cruise, and avoid all this worry and uncertainty

Yes thanks and that is the plan moving forward. Im an old guy and I have kids so there is no point to PCT for the most part. The idea for my 1st cycle and PCT was simply to learn how my body reacts to these meds just in case something happens for whatever reason.

That said... my balls have never been so big. Thats why im trying to figure this out because if I can maintain 800ng/dL without anything else, that alone might be worth it for PCT assuming these levels persist. That im not sure about. Thats why im asking for other peoples experience.

Also my E2 went from undetectable to slightly above range which has really helped my knees from what I can tell. Whenever I got it low, my knees would hurt from leg press and squats, sometimes for a couple days. But when my E2 is elevated, I get no post workout aches at all. Obviously I can do that with TRT as well so I guess that was a lot of rambling over nothing (lol).

 

[buck]

Ok that might be true. You feel it takes another month?

So my calculations were based on half life. I think half life on Nolvadex and Clomid was like 6 days average. So in theory, at 5 weeks, it went through about 6 half cycles. So levels should be at about 1.6% give or take.

The PCT guide on Meso also recommended to pull tests 2-3 weeks after end of PCT. I waited 5 because of the half life measures. I figured that would be enough.

I guess my big question is do these SARMs raise T levels this much on their own? Is that right?

Just because all the drugs are gone doesn't mean the body just snaps back to where it was. The studies i have seen show it can often take 6 moths or more for the body to reach the highest levels it will after a cycle.
Any drug you take to manipulate your T levels your body will try to counter act as that is what the body does, it seeks it's own balance no matter what your intention is.
If you want to stay on drugs stay on drugs. If you want long term health then you may want to come off.

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[BigDadd7]

Ok that might be true. You feel it takes another month?

So my calculations were based on half life. I think half life on Nolvadex and Clomid was like 6 days average. So in theory, at 5 weeks, it went through about 6 half cycles. So levels should be at about 1.6% give or take.

The PCT guide on Meso also recommended to pull tests 2-3 weeks after end of PCT. I waited 5 because of the half life measures. I figured that would be enough.

I guess my big question is do these SARMs raise T levels this much on their own? Is that right?

It's not a matter of pulling bloods once and calling it a baseline. A baseline takes multiple data points to determine. Take bloods again in a month. And then a month again after that. That will establish a true baseline that you can use going forward.