Opinions about my Blast & Cruise protocol?

[nikolaypetrov8520]

Guys, what do you think about my new Blast & Cruise protocol?

Everything is from the pharmacy. I've been on 500mg blast / 125mg cruise (pinning E3.5D) and I've been feeling great, except that I had high E2 symptoms, probably because of the HCG. HCG is a must for me, so this time I've decided to switch to EOD and add an AI. I'm worried about crashing the E2 with the AI?

 

[narta]

Guys, what do you think about my new Blast & Cruise protocol?
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Everything is from the pharmacy. I've been on 500mg blast / 125mg cruise (pinning E3.5D) and I've been feeling great, except that I had high E2 symptoms, probably because of the HCG. HCG is a must for me, so this time I've decided to switch to EOD and add an AI. I'm worried about crashing the E2 with the AI?

If you want to correctly modulate the e2 get bloodwork done 4 weeks in and adjust from there

 

[Juicygymbroah]

I wouldn't use an AI if you don't have sides. I find I have to have VERY high E2 before I even realise it's high.

Apparently there are big benefits of running E2 high. So I'd just have some asin on hand in case.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Apparently there are big benefits of running E2 high. So I'd just have some asin on hand in case.

Yep like growing a big pair of tits !

 

[Evom1]

I wouldn't use an AI if you don't have sides. I find I have to have VERY high E2 before I even realise it's high.

Apparently there are big benefits of running E2 high. So I'd just have some asin on hand in case.

Can positively impact muscle growth and lipids

 

[Live_Evil]

E2 isn't the least bit anabolic, but it's great for the heart and brain, so yes, it's good to have high E2 if your test is high. But it's also possible to have a limp willy if you let the E2 get too high, so you have to balance all of that.

 

[Evom1]

E2 isn't the least bit anabolic, but it's great for the heart and brain, so yes, it's good to have high E2 if your test is high. But it's also possible to have a limp willy if you let the E2 get too high, so you have to balance all of that.

It it important to have sufficient levels of e2 to build muscle. Low e2 levels are not good when trying to build muscle. Common misconception

 

[Live_Evil]

It it important to have sufficient levels of e2 to build muscle. Low e2 levels are not good when trying to build muscle. Common misconception

It isn't because of any anabolism though. You could super saturate a muscle in estrogen for weeks or months on end and there would be no increase in anabolism at all.

 

[Evom1]

It isn't because of any anabolism though. You could super saturate a muscle in estrogen for weeks or months on end and there would be no increase in anabolism at all.

All I said was higher estrogen levels can positively impact muscle growth and low estrogen levels are not good when trying to build muscle

 

[nikolaypetrov8520]

Anyway, here's my journey. After a lot of thought, I realised a few things. I tried Sustanon SubQ pinning in abdomen - it was a fail (maybe because of the low blood circulation). Then I tried SubQ pinning in intramuscular sites - it was also a fail (maybe because of a thick skin, which would be weird, since I'm like less than 10% BF). Then I realised that IM injections EOD for the rest of my life would not be a fun choice, specially when I feel the same sides as the E3.5D pinning (but more frequent, meaning the ups and downs are more frequent). So my end game would be something like this (I hope I helped someone with the same issues like mine):

 

[GuerillaPete]

The only comparison i know of was no estrogen compared to having estrogen .
So of course having estrogen is good but having higher then normal estrogen is not proven to build more muscle its a female hormone .
Most people who praise estrogen and post some pics i see they have gyno , high prolactin Ed, but tell you they are fine and have no side effects its strange really.
I bought in to this bullshit myself reading online and hearing it on Youtube ….
And let me tell you the worst side effects i ever got from using steroids is when i stoped taking an ai!
The thing is its not a sudden change it happens gradually its so slow its hard to notice… but depression happens with high E.
Add a limp dick , acne and gyno to it and your set brother .
So don't be afraid to take an ai, don't be afraid to experiment.
So what if your estrogen get to low? Its not a life sentence you just take more testosterone , or some Dbol , dhea or even ment ….. and its back to normal.
Crashed estrogen does not just happen it gets low first and you feel it so you can test for it and adjust .
If you happen to not need an ai great more power to you , one less thing to worry about.
All the horror crashed estrogen stories com from TRT guys that where over prescribed ai and stuck to that protocol for to long as they did not understand what was going on.
But back to topic your protocol looks fine dont start the ai till 2 weeks in and do bloods week 4 or 5 and re evaluate based on results and how you feel.

 

[Juicygymbroah]

The only comparison i know of was no estrogen compared to having estrogen .
So of course having estrogen is good but having higher then normal estrogen is not proven to build more muscle its a female hormone .
Most people who praise estrogen and post some pics i see they have gyno , high prolactin Ed, but tell you they are fine and have no side effects its strange really.
I bought in to this bullshit myself reading online and hearing it on Youtube ….
And let me tell you the worst side effects i ever got from using steroids is when i stoped taking an ai!
The thing is its not a sudden change it happens gradually its so slow its hard to notice… but depression happens with high E.
Add a limp dick , acne and gyno to it and your set brother .
So don't be afraid to take an ai, don't be afraid to experiment.
So what if your estrogen get to low? Its not a life sentence you just take more testosterone , or some Dbol , dhea or even ment ….. and its back to normal.
Crashed estrogen does not just happen it gets low first and you feel it so you can test for it and adjust .
If you happen to not need an ai great more power to you , one less thing to worry about.
All the horror crashed estrogen stories com from TRT guys that where over prescribed ai and stuck to that protocol for to long as they did not understand what was going on.
But back to topic your protocol looks fine dont start the ai till 2 weeks in and do bloods week 4 or 5 and re evaluate based on results and how you feel.

Everyone is different. Some people seem to be very sensitive to E2.

I'm on 150mg/week at the moment, my latest blood results for E2 were 194pmol/L and prolactin is 389mU/L. I genuinely have no sides and I feel good.
I will be bringing prolactin with p5p regardless.

But I would always advise someone to let E2 get high before just taking more shit to control it. If you're not taking an AI and you get sides, you know it's from estrogen so then you introduce the AI. And like you said people dont know what they're looking for so they carrying on with the AI protocol and crash themselves.

Yeah you can also take MORE test or dbol to bring E2 back but why? Why would you rather take more and more shit if you could just be reactive and use less?

 

[GuerillaPete]

Everyone is different. Some people seem to be very sensitive to E2.

I'm on 150mg/week at the moment, my latest blood results for E2 were 194pmol/L and prolactin is 389mU/L. I genuinely have no sides and I feel good.
I will be bringing prolactin with p5p regardless.

But I would always advise someone to let E2 get high before just taking more shit to control it. If you're not taking an AI and you get sides, you know it's from estrogen so then you introduce the AI. And like you said people dont know what they're looking for so they carrying on with the AI protocol and crash themselves.

Yeah you can also take MORE test or dbol to bring E2 back but why? Why would you rather take more and more shit if you could just be reactive and use less?

I ment take more for a week to get estrogen back to normal and then switch back to the cycle with less ai, thought thit was obvious.
I agree with being reactive what i don't agree with people getting scared of taking an ai thinking its toxic or it will crash they're estrogen so they keep going without one hopping they're body will adapt to high levels same as Jimmys from the forum who said don't take an ai.
Im not agains estrogen at all its just a trend now to demonize the ai and i see lots of people afraid of crashing estrogen.
This is what i try to bring awareness to as it happened to me .

 

[Juicygymbroah]

I ment take more for a week to get estrogen back to normal and then switch back to the cycle with less ai, thought thit was obvious.
I agree with being reactive what i don't agree with people getting scared of taking an ai thinking its toxic or it will crash they're estrogen so they keep going without one hopping they're body will adapt to high levels same as Jimmys from the forum who said don't take an ai.
Im not agains estrogen at all its just a trend now to demonize the ai and i see lots of people afraid of crashing estrogen.
This is what i try to bring awareness to as it happened to me .

No fair enough. From reading your original comment it sounded like you were telling him to start taking the AI 2 week into his cycle

 

[GuerillaPete]

No fair enough. From reading your original comment it sounded like you were telling him to start taking the AI 2 week into his cycle

Yeah thats right . There are dosages of testosterone you can for sure know you are going to have estrogen sides like 500 test he mentioned i think its reasonable. No need to wait for side effects and easier to adjust dosage this way.
Whats your problem with that?
Are you waiting to get cardiac remodeling or do you try to prevent it?
No need to get moon face , water retention , blood pressure issues acne that come with high estrogen.
So yeah i take an ai based on the dosage of testosterone . That might be different for trt but for 500 test yeah i am right on this for sure.
Starting and ai once problems start is harder to get it dosed right .
Just remember that if you dont need an ai at 500 test does not mean the majority wont.

 

[Juicygymbroah]

Yeah thats right . There are dosages of testosterone you can for sure know you are going to have estrogen sides like 500 test he mentioned i think its reasonable. No need to wait for side effects and easier to adjust dosage this way.
Whats your problem with that?
Are you waiting to get cardiac remodeling or do you try to prevent it?
No need to get moon face , water retention , blood pressure issues acne that come with high estrogen.
So yeah i take an ai based on the dosage of testosterone . That might be different for trt but for 500 test yeah i am right on this for sure.
Starting and ai once problems start is harder to get it dosed right .
Just remember that if you dont need an ai at 500 test does not mean the majority wont.

My preference is to be reactive to estrogen. Hence why I like to run E2 higher.
E2 is 100% easier to control when its high than when its low. Like you said most people dont know what they're doing when dosing AI or know what to look for so end up crashing by sticking to an AI protocol when its not necessary.

 

[lukiss96]

No fair enough. From reading your original comment it sounded like you were telling him to start taking the AI 2 week into his cycle

It's because he is like me, we are not native English speakers...

Harder for you to understand us, meanwhile I understand what he is trying to say every time I read his comments. Funny how non native speakers can communicate and understand each other better lol.

Same thing when I talk to Americans I hardly understand because they talk so fast and when I ask them to slow down politely, I begin to understand almost clearly.

Back on topic, estrogen is very individual thing there are people who don't need AI and others need just tiny bit when blasting higher testo and then we have other types who "crash" their estro with moderate dose of primobolan or even equipoise.

On the other hand people like me can't ever go low enough to not need any AI at all. Seriously even at 125mg/week which doesn't give me the desired effect (I cruise, not trt). I still need tiny amount. So in the end there is no right or wrong here, it's very individual sensitivity to elevated estrogen. But for the sake of argument, I agree that no symptoms = nothing to fix.

 

[GuerillaPete]

My preference is to be reactive to estrogen. Hence why I like to run E2 higher.
E2 is 100% easier to control when its high than when its low. Like you said most people dont know what they're doing when dosing AI or know what to look for so end up crashing by sticking to an AI protocol when its not necessary.

There are solutions for crashed E. And reactive might mean gyno is already started forming.
High E, high prolactin and high igf-1 is a recipe for trouble .
But what i try to say to noobs is to experiment and find what is right for them and if experimenting they happen to crash they're estrogen its easy to bring it back up and its worth it for the lesson learned but letting it go high might result in them needing surgery and acting bitchy might burn bridges with people as well .
I think i said my point pretty clearly so i have nothing more to add.

 

[nikolaypetrov8520]

I pinned 250mg Sustanon yesterday and already have nipple sensitivity. I'll start with 6.25mg Aromasin with every injection and go up if the sides doesn't go away. Thanks, guys!

 

[Evom1]

I pinned 250mg Sustanon yesterday and already have nipple sensitivity. I'll start with 6.25mg Aromasin with every injection and go up if the sides doesn't go away. Thanks, guys!

If that was your first pin, then you don't have the start of gyno. You're just being paranoid, it's in your head