Opinions of this cycle/stack please.

[Pericles]

For starters, I am 50, so safety is my #1 concern. Many will say that my dosing is too low for good results, but I will not risk my health on larger dosages.

I am going to start w/ deca, 400 mg a week (may front load a bit more than that) for 12 days-2 weeks. I will then add test E, 200 mg per week (and this amount will stay constant). The deca will be replaced by EQ, 150 mg per week. I will then take anavar 30 mg a day for a month.

At the 7 week mark I will discontinue the var and the eq will be dropped at 10 weeks. at 12 weeks I will reduce the test a bit, say 2 small injections at 4 day intervals and then I will start pct.

I will also be on 10 mg of nolvadex for most of this cycle.

Thoughtful advice is appreciated, thanks.

 

[mands]

For starters, I am 50, so safety is my #1 concern. Many will say that my dosing is too low for good results, but I will not risk my health on larger dosages.

I am going to start w/ deca, 400 mg a week (may front load a bit more than that) for 12 days-2 weeks. I will then add test E, 200 mg per week (and this amount will stay constant). The deca will be replaced by EQ, 150 mg per week. I will then take anavar 30 mg a day for a month.

At the 7 week mark I will discontinue the var and the eq will be dropped at 10 weeks. at 12 weeks I will reduce the test a bit, say 2 small injections at 4 day intervals and then I will start pct.

I will also be on 10 mg of nolvadex for most of this cycle.

Thoughtful advice is appreciated, thanks.

This cycle is all jacked up man.

Why are you adding test 2 weeks into the cycle? Why are you adding EQ to replace Deca. No need to taper off your Test. Where is your hcg during cycle? What is your PCT? What are you goals for this cycle? Then you will take Anavar at 30mg for a month? What are you talking about?

I would just run Test and Deca and be done with it.

mands

 

[leoclaw79]

Agreed. And using EQ at the end? When you end the cycle you're going to have a long period of time when the amount of anabolics in your system will be too low to benefit you but too high to allow for recovery.... Are you on TRT? I thought i remember you saying that before.
As far as strain on your health goes, i feel staying on for too long w/ low doses is worse than sticking to say 10 weeks at higher doses...

 

[Pericles]

answers are in bold.

This cycle is all jacked up man.

Why are you adding test 2 weeks into the cycle? Because I am using the Deca to heal up injuries. After 2 weeks it will start to shut my natural test down.Why are you adding EQ to replace Deca. Because low dosage EQ, stacked w/ test is one of...actually is, my favorite combo. Ran that for years w/ great results at the above dosages. No need to taper off your Test. Where is your hcg during cycle? I will run some at the 5 to 9 week mark What is your PCT? too long for here, will post in a bit What are you goals for this cycle? To get cut while increasing strength a bit...I do mostly high reps so my goal will be to increase reps w/ a given weight, or increase weight for the same # of reps. Then you will take Anavar at 30mg for a month? Yes, for the strength gains w/inimal health risks What are you talking about? Your meaning is completely unclear here.

I would just run Test and Deca and be done with it. No, that combo would just bloat me. I really only like deca for its joint healing properties, hence why I begin w/ it for 2 weeks.

mands

 

[Pericles]

Agreed. And using EQ at the end? When you end the cycle you're going to have a long period of time when the amount of anabolics in your system will be too low to benefit you but too high to allow for recovery.... Are you on TRT? I thought i remember you saying that before.
As far as strain on your health goes, i feel staying on for too long w/ low doses is worse than sticking to say 10 weeks at higher doses...

EQ is in the middle of the cycle. I will be on test for 2-2.5 more weeks. The goal is to stablise my gains. Total cycle is only 12.5 weeks.

 

[Pericles]

During last week, I will reduce test slightly to 2 sub 100 mg injections 4 days apart. As mentioned, I was takeing 10 mg of Nolva during and will up it to 20mg in the final week. I stay on 20 mg of Nolva for quite a while. I then run HCG for 15-20 days, at 2kIU eod day. I also introduce some Arimidex. 4 days before finishing the HCG, I start the Clomid, 100 mg per day, for 7-8 days. I phase out the Arimidex, and stay on 50 mg Clomid and 20 mg of Nolva for 7 days. I then stay on 10 mg of Nolva (and maybe 25 mg of Clomid, depending on how I feel) for another 7 days or so and viola, endocrine system is up and running.

 

[Pericles]

Also, yes, I am aware of the fact that the ideal use of HCG during a cycle is frequent very low doses. I would live to do, say, 150IUs eod.

However as mentioned, that is not an economically feasible protocol. I have a scrpit for HCG w/ only 2 options: A 10,000 IU unmixed bottle, and a 50,000 (thats not a typo) pre-mixed bottle. One is $85, the other is $250. An ideal HCG protocol would result in a lot of wasted money.

Now if I can get a good price on, say 2kIU bottles, then yes, I will use the 150 U eod approach.

 

[solo47]

So unnecessarily complex and so low-dosed as to be hardly worth the trouble. No personal condemnation, Pericles, but you asked for opinions, and that is mine.

Solo

 

[mands]

answers are in bold.

Okay I think I understand what you are trying to do!!! Maybe!!! I think you can control you bloat with a low dose of deca throughout your cycle by using an AI such as Aromasin or Arimidex. Running your deca for two weeks will not do anything for you in my opinion. If you want joint relief like you are stating run your deca at 200mg a week and you can control your bloat as well. If you do good on low dose of EQ so be it, I don't know how. Here is what I would do given the info you have shared. I think EQ is a waste at the amount... To each their own.

Week 1 - Front-load Deca at 400mg,Test E at 400mg and EQ at 300mg a week Mon. and Thurs. injections.
Week 2- 12 - Deca at 200mg, Test E at 200mg and EQ at 150mg a week. Mon. and Thurs. injections.
Week 4-13 - Hcg 250/500 iu's twice a week and week 14 drop down to 150 iu's twice a week.
Week 9-12 - Anavar at 30mg a day(I would personally go at least 50mg)
Week 14 - Start your PCT.
Week 1-14 - Use AI of your choice you probably would like Aromasin.

mands

 

[Pericles]

So unnecessarily complex and so low-dosed as to be hardly worth the trouble. No personal condemnation, Pericles, but you asked for opinions, and that is mine.

Solo

No problem, my friend....this is the kind of advice I am seeking. As I said, I have had success w/ the Test/EQ combo, although in the past (when I was younger) I would do about 300 per week of Test and 200 EQ. What do you think of that combo?

While I have a lot of experience w/ those compounds, I hav never used anavar. Should I increase dosage?

 

[Pericles]

Excellent, this is the type of info I am looking for. Again, responses in Bold

Okay I think I understand what you are trying to do!!! Maybe!!! I think you can control you bloat with a low dose of deca throughout your cycle by using an AI such as Aromasin or Arimidex. Running your deca for two weeks will not do anything for you in my opinion. If you want joint relief like you are stating run your deca at 200mg a week and you can control your bloat as well. If you do good on low dose of EQ so be it, I don't know how. I don't know why, probably a receptor affinity thing, but EQ works great for me....however only if combined w/ test Here is what I would do given the info you have shared. I think EQ is a waste at the amount... To each their own.

Week 1 - Front-load Deca at 400mg,Test E at 400mg and EQ at 300mg a week Mon. and Thurs. injections. looks good, although I think I will only use 200mg of test
Week 2- 12 - Deca at 200mg, Test E at 200mg and EQ at 150mg a week. Mon. and Thurs. injections. Excellent, I will follow this....except I will drop eq and deca at week 10. In fact I don't have nough to make it past week 9-10 anyway.
Week 4-13 - Hcg 250/500 iu's twice a week and week 14 drop down to 150 iu's twice a week. Sounds good....however (see above) to follow that protocol I nneed some cheap 2kiu HCG....anyone?
Week 9-12 - Anavar at 30mg a day(I would personally go at least 50mg) Interesting....so use anavar at the end. LIke I said, I have no experience w/ var so please explain
Week 14 - Start your PCT. So, very little HCG since we have been maintaining tessticular function all along
Week 1-14 - Use AI of your choice you probably would like Aromasin.

mands

Thanks Mands, great advice, much appreciated. I will probaably go w a modified form of this plan, especially the front load.

 

[Sworder]

domesticX.com

carries hcg for $30/5kIU. He used to push 3 5kIU for $80.. Haven't ordered from that website before he used to be safe-mail based before..

 

[leoclaw79]

anavar towards the end probably because its halflife is about 8 hours. with orals and short esters theres less in between time when levels aren't high enough ti help but too high to start PCT.

 

[Pericles]

Thanks, guys. Some good advice, although I will probably be a bit more conservative. Excited about doing the 400, 300, 200 (deca/eq/test) front load.

 

[Pericles]

Also, I have Letrozole, and like Arimidex it completely shuts down the andrgen to estrogen process at the cytochrome P450 unit. However, even at low dosages I think it will suppress estrogen too much. I only use it at the end of cycles (where I have done my largest dosages of HCG).

Wouldn't I be better off just running Nolvadex?

 

[solo47]

Also, I have Letrozole, and like Arimidex it completely shuts down the andrgen to estrogen process at the cytochrome P450 unit. However, even at low dosages I think it will suppress estrogen too much. I only use it at the end of cycles (where I have done my largest dosages of HCG).

Wouldn't I be better off just running Nolvadex?

I believe that neither Adex nor Aro completely shuts down estro production like Letro does. Used wisely (say 0.5 mg EOD for Adex, 12.5 mg ED for Aro), either will keep you lean, unbreasted, and still with enough natural estro to help muscular growth and feel normal. Best used on-cycle for leanness, hardness, mood control, & safety. Before I discovered Adex, I used Nolva but would bloat on top of the muscles, especially in my face.

I'm not clear on your goals, Pericles, but EQ hardly works for much beyond some joint protection at under 400 mg/wk. 600 mg/wk and you should see lean, hard growth. Test at only 200 mg/wk is enough to sustain a good physique but without real hard labour you won't be as hard as you could be and certainly not as big. I understand your desire to remain lean and mean and safe, but you have to enjoy some of the buzz and great response to higher levels to really make it worth your trouble. My favourite "safe" cycle is 750 mg Test e with 600 mg EQ EW, but you would probably be better with 12 - 16 weeks of 600 mg Test e with 400 mg EQ EW. Add to that your Aromasin or Arimidex, your diet, and hard workouts, and you will come out the lean, mean fighting machine you know you are. In your case, save the HCG until the end, but you will undergo testicular shrinkage (even if it's not necessarily visible) and lessen your load. With that much AAS, you don't need Var (anavar), but you could use it to keep these guys happy.

My crusty opinion anyway,
Solo

 

[Pericles]

Great stuff, Solo...although the doses are a bit high for my age, but I definately will consider your advice.

 

[mac111]

cant understand the lack of honesty on this forum

its a stupid idea of a cycle, absolute minimal gains (if any at all). lol at EQ at a measly dose and duration, EQ is shit at even 1g for 16wks and dont even get me started on the 30mgs var.
the whole duration and timing is a fucking absolute joke
colossal waste of time and money...........

 

[Sworder]

cant understand the lack of honesty on this forum

its a stupid idea of a cycle, absolute minimal gains (if any at all). lol at EQ at a measly dose and duration, EQ is shit at even 1g for 16wks and dont even get me started on the 30mgs var.
the whole duration and timing is a fucking absolute joke
colossal waste of time and money...........

Post #11
" I don't know why, probably a receptor affinity thing, but EQ works great for me...."

 

[mac111]

Post #11
" I don't know why, probably a receptor affinity thing, but EQ works great for me...."

also read as BULLSHIT lol. 99% of experienced users agree that EQ is shit, it may increase appetite and vascularity but is shit for muscle building.

'receptor affinity', never heard as much broscience bs in my life.

fuck forums can be so so full of mad dog shite at times[)]