Patches

[SinginHawk]

What's the scoop on the T patches? From what I read they don't push up the E2 or the DHT. Seems like a better choice than Gels.

 

[SPE]

Transdermals

Its a transdermal so dht and e2 issues would be the same as the gels

 

[SinginHawk]

Does it work well and have you had experience with it Why isn't it used much or you don't see people talking about it here much. Seems like a better way to go.

 

[SPE]

Convenience

I think it's simply a matter of convenience. I mean what's easier, rubbing some gel on or walking around all day with a patch?

 

[SinginHawk]

Parches

But what's better dealing with high E2 and DHT or not. That is my thinking. Everytime I get my T levels up the E2 goes up into the high 40ties.

 

[SPE]

DHT and E2

No. It is a transdermal, just like the gels. This means that the e2 and dht issues you have will be exactly the same. The T is being transfered through the skin in both cases and the 5-alpha reductase(converts T to DHT) and aromatase(converts T to E2) enzymes are present no matter. You are better off injecting if dht and e2 are issues.

 

[SinginHawk]

I read that the E2 and DHT are not that much of an issue with the patches. Can't remember where I read that. Assuming your right then yes I would rather do the Gel like I am doing.

 

[SPE]

Same Problem

You know, I've had the same problem you have had. Some people are just not well suited for transdermal. You might want to consider(if it's an option) weekly injections of T cyp. Much lower DHT conversion.

 

[RitchieC]

My experience was less than wonderful

1) pulling off the patch also pulls off the hair (the patch has an adhesive around the edges)

2) some of the adhesive remains on your skin and it's tough to get off

3) my skin would get irritated from the testosterone "jelly" and would itch and sometimes blister.

4) didn't raise my T levels as high as i wanted anyways.

5) oh, the patches are pretty big. look stupid at the gym.

i preferred the gel, but ended up switching to injections and would not go back.

 

[benrock]

why does every one say gels make e2 go up any body have labs to confirm this , mine went down from 39 to 17 in a month , my doc says also gel doset make e2 like shots do ,

 

[SPE]

Depends...

I think it just depends on the individual. If you have lots of aromatase enymes it'll go up with transdermals. I think pmgamer's went down when he started with injections.

 

[Weatherlite]

Everyone is different. It has been shown to go up in many esp when applied to the fatty area of the abdomen. Hell, it's supposed to make DHT go up but it didn't do shit for mine. Cyp, on the other hand, raised my DHT levels to within normal range.

 

[SinginHawk]

I switched from Testim to Androgel. I was doing 1 1/2 Testim which pushed up the E2 to 47 and DHT 163. Back when I was on 2 Androgel my E2 was 31. The doc switched me back to the Androgel. He said it had a smoother entry into the body.

I wonder if rubbing the Testim into the skin produces more DHT than just laying the gel on as you do with Androgel.

 

[Annularnos]

I wonder if rubbing the Testim into the skin produces more DHT than just laying the gel on as you do with Androgel.

Not to hijack this thread, but, are you saying that Androgel is not supposedto be rubbed in and Testim is?

 

[SinginHawk]

That is m understanding. Androgel is supposed to just be laid on the skin. I know that for sure I called the company.

Unless I am wrong Testim is supposed to be rubbed in, unless I was doing that wrong.

 

[SPE]

hmmm...

I've always been rubbing the ag in.

 

[SinginHawk]

When I firsat started on the Andro I rubbed it in and someone told me to just lay it on, obviously a little motion is required. Then I called the company and the told me to not rub it in. I am anxious to see where the nu,bers are compared to the Testim. Testim has better absorbtion so 2 of the Andro is close to 1 1/2 the Testim and my use of both seem to bear that out.

 

[Annularnos]

Well, I said I wouldn't hijack this thread..sorry. I rub the Androgel in...not excessively, but just enough to be ready to go in a minute or two. I fail to see how there is any advantage to simply smoothing the gel on. Actually, I think I did that once, and then, later in the day, I noticed my arms were "flaking" something off. Am I missing something here?

 

[SinginHawk]

There has to be some rubbing in of the gel, I think what they mean is don't rub it in till dry like I did with Testim. Don't sweat the small stuff I am sure what you are doing is fine.

How much you doing and how is your E2 and Dht from the gel. I am just curious to see how I stack up.

 

[pmgamer18]

There has to be some rubbing in of the gel, I think what they mean is don't rub it in till dry like I did with Testim. Don't sweat the small stuff I am sure what you are doing is fine.

How much you doing and how is your E2 and Dht from the gel. I am just curious to see how I stack up.

You should spread on andorGel and let it dry from wet. As for Testim you rub it in good then let it dry.
The gels drove up my E2 and when I went on shots my E2 came down but so did my levels. Adding Hcg got my levels up but so did my E2. I am ok with this I feel better with higher levels at least up in the upper 1/3 of the labs range.
Phil