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[Ghoul]

Has anyone tried their 'Finasteride?' --- how is it working for you?

It worked well for me. This isn’t a med you need to be too concerned with. It’s simple, cheap, common.

Dutasteride (Dutaheal) worked much better for me though,

 

[oldage]

It worked well for me. This isn’t a med you need to be too concerned with. It’s simple, cheap, common.

Dutasteride (Dutaheal) worked much better for me though,

What did it work better for? Skin?

 

[nullandvoid]

Dropping this here as another data point for shipping. This wasn't a PCT247 package but did come from another India-based vendor (it's Potrate, which PCT247 doesn't carry).

Shipped out of Mumbai on 11/28, hit ISC New York on 12/7. Scanning simply stopped at that point and never showed it was inbound to Customs. On 12/28, I did a missing mail request. I really doubt that had anything to do with today's movement, but I am happy to report it has finally made its way to the other side. So there is hope. Not everything that stops in ISC is going to get you a letter... or maybe they are saving postage and sending the letter with the package.

 

[Infernalmango]

It worked well for me. This isn’t a med you need to be too concerned with. It’s simple, cheap, common.

Dutasteride (Dutaheal) worked much better for me though,

What’s your thoughts on the post fin syndrome Iv read about? Or any of the sides these meds can have? I would like to salvage some hair loss and potentially get some regrowth if possible, but the negatives I hear about scare me from trying fin/dut/minox tbh

 

[Ghoul]

What’s your thoughts on the post fin syndrome Iv read about? Or any of the sides these meds can have? I would like to salvage some hair loss and potentially get some regrowth if possible, but the negatives I hear about scare me from trying fin/dut/minox tbh

It’s both real, in the sense crashing DHT levels can have awful effects, even catastrophic if you’re not forewarned of them, and bullshit hysteria, in that there’s no permanence whatsoever and you will recover after some time and DHT levels come back to normal.

I experienced this, long ago, before “post finasteride syndrome” had a name. It was awful. Turned me into an anti-propecia (the brand name) activist for decades.

When you don’t understand hormones, and the effects of crashed DHT don’t immediately resolve after stopping, it’s easy to be scared it’ll never get better.

Add to this that PFS symptoms are all capable of being induced psychosomatically. So even after DHT comes back, if you’re convinced you’ve got permanent ED and depression, you will.

It wasn’t until I learned of the terrible, somewhat similar effects of crashing estrogen, as many have here, and how depending on which AIs caused the crash, estrogen recovery could take days to weeks, that it all clicked.

Here’s the bottom line. The overwhelming majority of men use Fin and Dut, often at higher doses than used for hair, without issue. Tens of millions or more have used these meds, long term, over decades.

However, there are some, like me, who are hyperresponders, or hypersensitive to the effects. Starting doses should be lower, and cautiously titrated up. This way, the moment you feel any sides, you can stop increasing, or reduce the dose.

Get a pill splitter.

For fin, the standard hair dose is 1mg/ day. This is fine for most, but to be prudent, start with 1/4 (.25mg) tab every other day. After two weeks, if all is good, take it every day. After two weeks if no problem, you can alternate .25mg with .50mg. Then .50mg / day. At this point you’ve got 80% of fin’s benefits, with a much lower risk of sides.

I did this, despite being traumatized in the past, and discovered .50mg was just fine, despite 1mg being a disaster last time. I experienced significant hair regrowth over the next 6 months.

If things go terribly, just stop taking it and you’ll be back to baseline within a couple of weeks. Unlike those weighed down by fearmongering and the resulting psychosomatic symptoms, you know better, since unlike the average reddit r / PFS user, you understand half lives and hormones.

Dutasteride is better, but if you inadvertently crash DHT, recovery takes months. So first, see how you tolerate fin. It’s most likely going to be fine, but either way, the faster recovery makes it the smarter place to start,

Once you’ve successfully used it for 6 months, you can cautiously transition to dutasateride. Typically you’d start even lower because of its greater potency and half life. Ie, .125 mg, just twice a week to start.

If there isn’t a 5-ar inhibitor in the hair preservation stack, you’re kidding yourself, and at best, buying a little time. It must be the basis of any effort to stop loss.

 

[nullandvoid]

Would love to know why my post was edited. There wasn't a damn thing in it that had anything close to PII. Fuck sakes... this board. Oooh big damn deal, the most common route from Mumbai to NY ISC. Wow.. such info.

 

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Would love to know why my post was edited. There wasn't a damn thing in it that had anything close to PII. Fuck sakes... this board. Oooh big damn deal, the most common route from Mumbai to NY ISC. Wow.. such info.

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[Infernalmango]

It’s both real, in the sense crashing DHT levels can have awful effects, even catastrophic if you’re not forewarned of them, and bullshit hysteria, in that there’s no permanence whatsoever and you will recover after some time and DHT levels come back to normal.

I experienced this, long ago, before “post finasteride syndrome” had a name. It was awful. Turned me into an anti-propecia (the brand name) activist for decades.

When you don’t understand hormones, and the effects of crashed DHT don’t immediately resolve after stopping, it’s easy to be scared it’ll never get better.

Add to this that PFS symptoms are all capable of being induced psychosomatically. So even after DHT comes back, if you’re convinced you’ve got permanent ED and depression, you will.

It wasn’t until I learned of the terrible, somewhat similar effects of crashing estrogen, as many have here, and how depending on which AIs caused the crash, estrogen recovery could take days to weeks, that it all clicked.

Here’s the bottom line. The overwhelming majority of men use Fin and Dut, often at higher doses than used for hair, without issue. Tens of millions or more have used these meds, long term, over decades.

However, there are some, like me, who are hyperresponders, or hypersensitive to the effects. Starting doses should be lower, and cautiously titrated up. This way, the moment you feel any sides, you can stop increasing, or reduce the dose.

Get a pill splitter.

For fin, the standard hair dose is 1mg/ day. This is fine for most, but to be prudent, start with 1/4 (.25mg) tab every other day. After two weeks, if all is good, take it every day. After two weeks if no problem, you can alternate .25mg with .50mg. Then .50mg / day. At this point you’ve got 80% of fin’s benefits, with a much lower risk of sides.

I did this, despite being traumatized in the past, and discovered .50mg was just fine, despite 1mg being a disaster last time. I experienced significant hair regrowth over the next 6 months.

If things go terribly, just stop taking it and you’ll be back to baseline within a couple of weeks. Unlike those weighed down by fearmongering and the resulting psychosomatic symptoms, you know better, since unlike the average reddit r / PFS user, you understand half lives and hormones.

Dutasteride is better, but if you inadvertently crash DHT, recovery takes months. So first, see how you tolerate fin. It’s most likely going to be fine, but either way, the faster recovery makes it the smarter place to start,

Once you’ve successfully used it for 6 months, you can cautiously transition to dutasateride. Typically you’d start even lower because of its greater potency and half life. Ie, .125 mg, just twice a week to start.

If there isn’t a 5-ar inhibitor in the hair preservation stack, you’re kidding yourself, and at best, buying a little time. It must be the basis of any effort to stop loss.

Appreciate the write up. I somewhat assumed a lot of the negative propaganda from crashing dht may have come from a population not also using compounds relative to this hobby. So I got some fin from ssa awhile ago but chickened out and regretted going the cheapest option. I’ll probably just get some from here if I decide to try it out. Not worth sending in samples for a 15$ bottle from china to feel good about what I’m taking.

If I go with the .25 eod start, would it be terrible to add in topical min along the way pending I’m handling fin well? Or kind of a judge by progress thing?

 

[Ghoul]

Appreciate the write up. I somewhat assumed a lot of the negative propaganda from crashing dht may have come from a population not also using compounds relative to this hobby. So I got some fin from ssa awhile ago but chickened out and regretted going the cheapest option. I’ll probably just get some from here if I decide to try it out. Not worth sending in samples for a 15$ bottle from china to feel good about what I’m taking.

If I go with the .25 eod start, would it be terrible to add in topical min along the way pending I’m handling fin well? Or kind of a judge by progress thing?

They’re totally different mechanisms of action and fine to start simultaneously. Since they both have “shed phases” that kick in within the first 3-6 weeks, might as well get them both out of the way right at the beginning.

Dutasteride / Minoxidil has the strongest proven hair preservation and regrowth of all treatments. Fin / Minox is a close second.

These represent 90%+ of the preservation and regrowth possible, everything else add a little benefit. IE, ketoconozole 2% shampoo, red light, micro rolling, etc, but nothing close to a fraction of the above combos.

Be prepared to stick with this for a long while. Typically by 6 months you’ll likely notice a difference in the look and texture feel of your hair, by 12 months you’ll be at the point “other people notice”. Most people continue to see gains out to at least 2 years and stabilize, and some out to 5.

If you stop, you’ll lose everything you gained, then you’ll lose everything preserved, and it’ll be as if you would’ve never started. It’s brutal, so be prepared to stay committed to the long term to maintain your hair.

Since a lot of guys (esp AAS users) end up with benign prostate hyperplasia, a nice side effect of this DHT lowering treatment is prostate growth will be stopped or slowed as well, but if you drop the meds, you’ll lose those “gains” as well and your prostate could quickly enlarge making it difficult to pee.

The only finasteride I’d be concerned with is UGL(mainly because it might be overdosed). I think it’s very unlikely any legit brand, even the cheapest, is going to be a problem.

 

[frofrank]

Once you’ve successfully used it for 6 months, you can cautiously transition to dutasateride. Typically you’d start even lower because of its greater potency and half life. Ie, .125 mg, just twice a week to start.

This write up was great, thank you for this. I have a ton of Dut on hand as within all my research leading up to this I saw it as a superior to Fin, So if im starting Dut before ever being on Fin would you recommended the same dosing? I was almost thinking just .25mg weekly since it has such a long half life I didn't know if splitting it up biweekly made sense.

 

[Ghoul]

This write up was great, thank you for this. I have a ton of Dut on hand as within all my research leading up to this I saw it as a superior to Fin, So if im starting Dut before ever being on Fin would you recommended the same dosing? I was almost thinking just .25mg weekly since it has such a long half life I didn't know if splitting it up biweekly made sense.

You can get away with once a week dosing, but after deciding to start with .25mg / wk, which is the minimum effective amount according to some research I looked at, I. Decided to split that in half to .125mg (1/4 tabs) x2 a week. The reason was to “lower the peak” early on. After a few weeks the long half life means 2x a week or the full .25mg once a week makes no difference, levels stay stable, but I wanted to be extra cautious and start gently (told you I was traumatized lol).

For anyone not aware, in the US Dut is only available as a .50mg gelcap, making splitting the dose very difficult or impossible.

In India, Dutaheal and other are .50mg solid tablets, making it much easier to split the dose.

They can split very unevenly (they’re not scored). The key here is that you use those 2 or 4 pieces FROM ONE TABLET IN ORDER. That way, regardless of variance in the size of pieces, you’re getting .50mg every 4 doses.

Otherwise, if you split multiple tabs, you may take pieces that add up to .80 or .30 mg every 4 doses.