PCT after long blast and cruise

[lucabratzi]

so I've been blasting and cruising for a few years now. Maybe 3 years or so. My blasts would be 500mg test w either deca or tren.

I have been running clomid for about a year now while on testosterone as prescribed by my endo for fertility. I've also been taking hcg for a few months now.

I finally made the decision to come off testosterone completely. At the end I was cruising on about 75mg 2x w week = 150mg/week.

I'm 31 years old and unfortunately the physique I have now is easily naturally attained because I've been cruising on such a low dose for so long and diet and training hasn't been great this year.


So I went to my endo and told him I'm coming off and I took bloods. They were taken 2 weeks after my last 75mg shot. So I'm sure it was out of my system. Results came back 356 which is borderline low.

I'm thinkin of bumping my clomid up to 100mg for a week or so then bring it back to 50mg. And in 2 weeks get more bloods taken to see if I'm improving.

Any other advice or tips?

 

[lucabratzi]

And taking nolvadex 20mg ed

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

so I've been blasting and cruising for a few years now. Maybe 3 years or so. My blasts would be 500mg test w either deca or tren.

I have been running clomid for about a year now while on testosterone as prescribed by my endo for fertility. I've also been taking hcg for a few months now.

I finally made the decision to come off testosterone completely. At the end I was cruising on about 75mg 2x w week = 150mg/week.

I'm 31 years old and unfortunately the physique I have now is easily naturally attained because I've been cruising on such a low dose for so long and diet and training hasn't been great this year.


So I went to my endo and told him I'm coming off and I took bloods. They were taken 2 weeks after my last 75mg shot. So I'm sure it was out of my system. Results came back 356 which is borderline low.

I'm thinkin of bumping my clomid up to 100mg for a week or so then bring it back to 50mg. And in 2 weeks get more bloods taken to see if I'm improving.

Any other advice or tips?

i been reading about clomid therapy for low t vs. trt actually. thread on meso i think. Also if ur only off a few weeks your numbers hopefully climb. one thread the guys total went up an idditional hundred and maybe thirty from 2weeks after pct to about 3 months after pct...he got back to natty...

 

[lucabratzi]

i been reading about clomid therapy for low t vs. trt actually. thread on meso i think. Also if ur only off a few weeks your numbers hopefully climb. one thread the guys total went up an idditional hundred and maybe thirty from 2weeks after pct to about 3 months after pct...he got back to natty...

Yea I sure as shit hope my natty levels raise up. The only reason I'm doing this is for fertility. The blast and cruise was fun while it lasted. But it's time to fix my shit.

I'll keep this updated every few weeks w bloods

 

[Ironlord]

Hopefully you can restore your natty levels, but that's a long cruise you were on. Good luck with it. Awful young to be lifetime shutdown...

 

[Docd187123]

Get on a few weeks of HCG and follow it up with nolva/clomid.

 

[lucabratzi]

Hopefully you can restore your natty levels, but that's a long cruise you were on. Good luck with it. Awful young to be lifetime shutdown...

Thanks. Guess I'll ride it out and see what I can do.

Get on a few weeks of HCG and follow it up with nolva/clomid.

I've been running all of that. I think I'm going to drop hcg now. From my understanding it inhibits naturally test working again when you're off gear

 

[master.on]

so I've been blasting and cruising for a few years now. Maybe 3 years or so. My blasts would be 500mg test w either deca or tren.

I have been running clomid for about a year now while on testosterone as prescribed by my endo for fertility. I've also been taking hcg for a few months now.

I finally made the decision to come off testosterone completely. At the end I was cruising on about 75mg 2x w week = 150mg/week.

I'm 31 years old and unfortunately the physique I have now is easily naturally attained because I've been cruising on such a low dose for so long and diet and training hasn't been great this year.


So I went to my endo and told him I'm coming off and I took bloods. They were taken 2 weeks after my last 75mg shot. So I'm sure it was out of my system. Results came back 356 which is borderline low.

I'm thinkin of bumping my clomid up to 100mg for a week or so then bring it back to 50mg. And in 2 weeks get more bloods taken to see if I'm improving.

Any other advice or tips?

Are you still using HCG? What dosage?
You'll want to know how much Test your testis can make on Hcg to get an idea if they will still make it when Hcg is dropped.

 

[Kinetic]

Are there any studies on HPTA being permanently shut down after extended periods of HRT? Not anecdotal evidence, but a clear line in the sand which, if crossed, virtually guarantees you'll never return to your original baseline again?

I've been on for a few years and believe it may have been low due to sedentary lifestyle, shit diet, etc. I've since improved all of that and wouldn't mind coming off if I can get my TRT levels (600-800'ish) without pinning myself all the damn time.

 

[Docd187123]

Thanks. Guess I'll ride it out and see what I can do.



I've been running all of that. I think I'm going to drop hcg now. From my understanding it inhibits naturally test working again when you're off gear

HCG stimulates natural test to be made but it suppresses the pituitary in doing so. The pituitary recovers production much easier than the balls hence why HCg is used. If you've been on HCG for a while then I do agree it's time to drop it and follow with Nolva and Clomid.

 

[lucabratzi]

Are you still using HCG? What dosage?
You'll want to know how much Test your testis can make on Hcg to get an idea if they will still make it when Hcg is dropped.

Yea I've been on hcg for about 4-5 months. 250iu 3x week.

That along w the clomid has got my test levels to 356. I'm going to drop the hcg now and see what my test in in two weeks on just clomid/nolvadex

 

[BirdieNumNum]

No harm in trying is there..

 

[Docd187123]

Yea I've been on hcg for about 4-5 months. 250iu 3x week.

That along w the clomid has got my test levels to 356. I'm going to drop the hcg now and see what my test in in two weeks on just clomid/nolvadex

Your 356 TT levels was while on HCG and clomid?? Do a few shots of HCG at 1000-1500iu and retest TT levels.

 

[lucabratzi]

Your 356 TT levels was while on HCG and clomid?? Do a few shots of HCG at 1000-1500iu and retest TT levels.

Correct both hcg and clomid. I'm thinking the hcg may be inhibiting the clomid from getting me started up again no?

 

[lucabratzi]

Little update. Got bloods again and levels are looking great. Test 589,

Lh 8.0 ref range 1.7 - 8.6,

fsh 6.3 ref range 1.5 -12.4

Sex drive is slowly coming back and I'm gettin morning wood which is a good sign. But it's def not as full and doesn't last long during sex.

I bumped my clomid to 75mg the last week or so. I'm going to drop it to 50 and retest in a few weeks

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

thats way up from 356.... good. mine came in at 406....almost a month after pct and im hoping it will rise another hundred. my lh is good but my fsh was 2.5. ...did ur fsh come up from ur first blood test?

 

[lucabratzi]

thats way up from 356.... good. mine came in at 406....almost a month after pct and im hoping it will rise another hundred. my lh is good but my fsh was 2.5. ...did ur fsh come up from ur first blood test?

Yours is at 406 after a month off pct?

TBH the first test was through my endo and I forgot to ask. This test I went labcorp.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

Yours is at 406 after a month off pct?

TBH the first test was through my endo and I forgot to ask. This test I went labcorp.

yes...

 

[Docd187123]

Little update. Got bloods again and levels are looking great. Test 589,

Lh 8.0 ref range 1.7 - 8.6,

fsh 6.3 ref range 1.5 -12.4

Sex drive is slowly coming back and I'm gettin morning wood which is a good sign. But it's def not as full and doesn't last long during sex.

I bumped my clomid to 75mg the last week or so. I'm going to drop it to 50 and retest in a few weeks

After stopping nolva and clomid, wait 4-6wks before doing more bloods so you don't get false results due to the pct drugs.

 

[iintensity]

Did you have any atrophy on cycle? If so did HCG or coming off did the issue?

I'm getting ready to come off myself and am currently blasting HCG.