Tr3nbal0n3
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Yea Enclomiphine is safe, super well tolerated. Trt clinics prescribe Enclo & HCG monotherepy all the time to increase peoples testosterone. People use it for years with no issues. It’s safer than using testosterone
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ZKJ
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Cheers ill have to get some, i do have some clomid already is it not worth using at all?
Tr3nbal0n3
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it definitely works. It will increase your testosterone, I personally prefer Enclo because it doesn’t cause the estrogen side effects that Clomid causes. Bit if you have Clomid already might as well use it.
ZKJ
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Cheers I will do and get some enclo too,sorry to keep asking questions but one more thing im not clear on is an ai. Do I use an ai white blasting hcg, or using all the nolva and clomid, as im reading ai can affect stuff and leave the estrogen high but also see people saying use an ai so im not sure of when its ok or not to use one with pct
Tr3nbal0n3
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Ask 1000 questions If you want, I don’t mind, I got you covered. I’m wishing you the best bro.
HCG and Clomid will increase estrogen, Enclomiphene increases estrogen to, but nowhere near as much as Clomid does.
No AI is needed ..
Nolvadex and Enclomiphene both block estrogen receptors.. (not all of them) But alot of them. The estrogen won’t be able to bind to the receptor, although on paper your estrogen is higher.. You won’t feel estrogen side effects or get gyno because your alot of your receptors are blocked by Nolvadex & Estrogen can’t bind to them.
At a dosage of 1,500–3,000 IU of HCG per week, estrogen usually isn’t an issue especially since it’s stacked with Nolvadex. Worst comes to worse lower the HCG dose.
Clomid is a mixture of two isomers
Zuclomiphene and Enclomiphene.
Estrogen side effects always becomes more of a problem because Clomid because Clomid contains the Zuclomiphene isomer, which has strong estrogenic activity and that shit sends estrogen side effects to the sky. That’s why I recommend using Enclomiphene instead of Clomid. Although you can use Clomid if you want, it’s cheaper and you already have it on hand, and at the end of the day, it will still get the job done of bringing back your natural production. For some reason it just makes you feel emotional and mentally unstable like a female on her period. Nolvadex can’t block the direct estrogenic action of zuclomiphene, Zuclomiphine itself is acting like estrogen at certain receptors. That’s why people often feel “estrogenic” on Clomid even if their actual estrogen blood levels aren’t that high.
Enclomiphene is isolated and does not have Zuclomiphene isomer. So it does not raise estrogen nearly as much or cause any of the side effects that clomid causes.
So to sum it all up.
1. You don’t need at AI.
Nolvadex will prevent gyno.
2. Clomid makes you feel like shit regardless
3. If you’re retaining a lot of water lower the HCG
Nolva, “Enclo” HCG… Best option
Nolva, “Clomid”, HCG… Not the best option but it’s cheaper, you already have it on hand, and at the end of the day it’ll work too. But the side effects of Clomid suck like fuck.
Just keep your mind on the end goal. “Restart natural production”. You’re on a cocktail of drugs to do that, some guys have a shit ton of side effects. And some guys can take 100mg of Clomid only and have no side effects. Everyone’s different.
HCG and Clomid will increase estrogen, Enclomiphene increases estrogen to, but nowhere near as much as Clomid does.
No AI is needed ..
Nolvadex and Enclomiphene both block estrogen receptors.. (not all of them) But alot of them. The estrogen won’t be able to bind to the receptor, although on paper your estrogen is higher.. You won’t feel estrogen side effects or get gyno because your alot of your receptors are blocked by Nolvadex & Estrogen can’t bind to them.
At a dosage of 1,500–3,000 IU of HCG per week, estrogen usually isn’t an issue especially since it’s stacked with Nolvadex. Worst comes to worse lower the HCG dose.
Clomid is a mixture of two isomers
Zuclomiphene and Enclomiphene.
Estrogen side effects always becomes more of a problem because Clomid because Clomid contains the Zuclomiphene isomer, which has strong estrogenic activity and that shit sends estrogen side effects to the sky. That’s why I recommend using Enclomiphene instead of Clomid. Although you can use Clomid if you want, it’s cheaper and you already have it on hand, and at the end of the day, it will still get the job done of bringing back your natural production. For some reason it just makes you feel emotional and mentally unstable like a female on her period. Nolvadex can’t block the direct estrogenic action of zuclomiphene, Zuclomiphine itself is acting like estrogen at certain receptors. That’s why people often feel “estrogenic” on Clomid even if their actual estrogen blood levels aren’t that high.
Enclomiphene is isolated and does not have Zuclomiphene isomer. So it does not raise estrogen nearly as much or cause any of the side effects that clomid causes.
So to sum it all up.
1. You don’t need at AI.
Nolvadex will prevent gyno.
2. Clomid makes you feel like shit regardless
3. If you’re retaining a lot of water lower the HCG
Nolva, “Enclo” HCG… Best option
Nolva, “Clomid”, HCG… Not the best option but it’s cheaper, you already have it on hand, and at the end of the day it’ll work too. But the side effects of Clomid suck like fuck.
Just keep your mind on the end goal. “Restart natural production”. You’re on a cocktail of drugs to do that, some guys have a shit ton of side effects. And some guys can take 100mg of Clomid only and have no side effects. Everyone’s different.
ZKJ
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Cheers man I appreciate it definitely the best response and I now know what I need to do
ill be following that advice and might just buy enclo as ive never used clomkd before (it don't sound good) its also quite hard working out the dosages of nolva/clomid or nolva/enclo.Do you have any suggestions for dosage for like 7-8 years shut down, I've not used to much,only tried tren twice for short cycles and that was 100mg and probably 4 years ago. Since then just test and the max has been 750mg. Alot of cruising at 150-170mg. Been on a cruise for the last 10 weeks and will stay onit untill I come off.
Tr3nbal0n3
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Ok before I go into the protocol, these PCT drugs are usually expensive as hell and it adds up, so I recommend buying them on PCT Zone, it’s dirt cheap. 100 pills of Nolvadex 20mg, and HCG 5000 IU vials for like $10 each.
Depending on what ester of Test you are using it’s going to take a certain amount of time for the Test to clear your system, they all have different half lives. You need to start using Enclomiphene & Nolvadex “”After”” all the Testosterone clears your system. I’m not sure which one you’re using so here’s a list for each ester.
Test E : 2 weeks after last injection
Test C : 2 - 3 weeks after last injection
Test P : 1 week after last injection
Sustanon : 3 - 4 weeks after last injection
Start using the 2000 IU a week of HCG
(3 weeks before) your last test injection.
And start using the serm’s after the testosterone clears your system..
- 2000 IU HCG per week.
(500 IU injections, 4 times per week).
Pin : Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
If any estrogen issues occur while your on HCG & Test ( Most likely won’t ) just lower HCG dose to 1,500 IU. Or keep the dose the same at 2000 IU and throw in a little Adex or Aromasin.
Do this for 2 months - In the first 2 - 3 weeks you’ll notice your balls getting fuller, by month 2 you’ll be walking around with gorilla nuts again. It should take 1 to 2 months.
“after” your last test injection wait till it clears your system and then start using the Serm’s,
Also use vitamin D3, zinc, magnesium, Fish Oil daily..
- MONTH 1
Nolvadex ( 20 mg per day )
Enclomiphene ( 25 mg per day )
- MONTH 2
( Cut the doses in half )
Nolvadex ( 10mg per day )
Enclomiphine ( 12.5mg per day )
- MONTH 3.
( Remove Nolvadex )
Enclomiphene only, ( 12.5mg per day )
2 Weeks after your last dose of Enclomiphene, get bloodwork and see where your levels are. Check LH, FSH, E2, Total and free Testosterone, Make sure everything is in a decent range.
If you are having low Testosterone symptoms and your levels are still low. I’d consider using 12.5 mg Enclomiphene only 2 times per week indefinitely, That’s more than enough to keep you in the high range and feeling great.
Depending on what ester of Test you are using it’s going to take a certain amount of time for the Test to clear your system, they all have different half lives. You need to start using Enclomiphene & Nolvadex “”After”” all the Testosterone clears your system. I’m not sure which one you’re using so here’s a list for each ester.
Test E : 2 weeks after last injection
Test C : 2 - 3 weeks after last injection
Test P : 1 week after last injection
Sustanon : 3 - 4 weeks after last injection
Start using the 2000 IU a week of HCG
(3 weeks before) your last test injection.
And start using the serm’s after the testosterone clears your system..
- 2000 IU HCG per week.
(500 IU injections, 4 times per week).
Pin : Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
If any estrogen issues occur while your on HCG & Test ( Most likely won’t ) just lower HCG dose to 1,500 IU. Or keep the dose the same at 2000 IU and throw in a little Adex or Aromasin.
Do this for 2 months - In the first 2 - 3 weeks you’ll notice your balls getting fuller, by month 2 you’ll be walking around with gorilla nuts again. It should take 1 to 2 months.
“after” your last test injection wait till it clears your system and then start using the Serm’s,
Also use vitamin D3, zinc, magnesium, Fish Oil daily..
- MONTH 1
Nolvadex ( 20 mg per day )
Enclomiphene ( 25 mg per day )
- MONTH 2
( Cut the doses in half )
Nolvadex ( 10mg per day )
Enclomiphine ( 12.5mg per day )
- MONTH 3.
( Remove Nolvadex )
Enclomiphene only, ( 12.5mg per day )
2 Weeks after your last dose of Enclomiphene, get bloodwork and see where your levels are. Check LH, FSH, E2, Total and free Testosterone, Make sure everything is in a decent range.
If you are having low Testosterone symptoms and your levels are still low. I’d consider using 12.5 mg Enclomiphene only 2 times per week indefinitely, That’s more than enough to keep you in the high range and feeling great.
ZKJ
Member
Thank you so much for this its the most help ive got and cleared up any confusion.
iIm using test e and was gonna wait 2 or maybe even 3 werrks just to make sure its gone?
I also have 30000iu of hcg, 100 nolvadex 20mg, and 100 clomid (can't remember dose of that right now but probably the normal dose) and a bottle of arimidex, so basically I just need to get the enclo, I was thinking about using d3 (already use a fish oil, I think, Is omega 3 the same. I used to just use fish oils but heard i wanna use omega 3 oils instead, is that what you mean or i need the ones just called fish oils) and now i will get some zinc and magnesium too. I will follow your protocol to a t. And appreciate it alot. I doubt ill have gorilla nuts they where always quite small anyway lol
ZKJ
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Cheers for the link to pct zone aswell they have a uk warehouse too. And looks like a good site
I can't see Enclomiphene on the UK domestic page though, closet is Clomiphene is it the same thing or is that just clomid?
Tr3nbal0n3
Member
Fishoil & Omega 3, either or, same thing lol
Tr3nbal0n3
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Clomiphene is clomid, and I guess they are out of stock, nootropicsource.com is the only other Enclomiphene I’ve used and it’s legit.Cheers for the link to pct zone aswell they have a uk warehouse too. And looks like a good site
I can't see Enclomiphene on the UK domestic page though, closet is Clomiphene is it the same thing or is that just clomid?
ZKJ
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Lol I was thinking that but wasn't sure. Cheers
ZKJ
Member
Cheers
Deadpool99
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if its helps, look into Deus Medical, also I think the Chinese ones too, Deus is very high quality from my experience. Ordering from their main partner will take a bit long to the USA. You can also opt for paying a premium from domestic sources resealing it. There might be other sources here that are cheaper and better but idk any.
Also good luck and keep us updated
ZKJ
Member
Cheers for that, tbh im now thinking i probably won't be happy natural, so my plan if I come off is to try get on trt with the NHS (free) but if somehow I recover and feel good then maybe tempted to to stay offif its helps, look into Deus Medical, also I think the Chinese ones too, Deus is very high quality from my experience. Ordering from their main partner will take a bit long to the USA. You can also opt for paying a premium from domestic sources resealing it. There might be other sources here that are cheaper and better but idk any.
Also good luck and keep us updated
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