Peach oil (test e) vs Castor oil(test undecanoate) metabolization

[Liter O' Test]

I kept to pharmaqo 300mg/ml test e in MCT before and it did the job; I had switched to bayer testoviron as I always wanted the castor oil (too bad it was fake).

Besides the aromatization stuff, I have some combination of either folliculitis or acne on back/chest/glutes. It is not bad but when it pops up, I can see it is usually on the hair follicle or something that has sebum stuck. So besides getting E2 in check, thought I would also change the oil from MCT to something else as maybe that could be a factor as well; and if possible find something to replace dairy as I eat about 300g of cottage cheese every day.

Right now I am looking at HYB lab that has 300mg test e in GSO as my first ever cycle was on gso test and it went fine.

I do have older bloodtests; I had e2 at the top of the ref range on about 2mg arimidex weekly when just on test 300mg; but that was 1-2 years ago and I am trying to solve it using only primo

i appreciate the advice and help!

Maybe try GSO... maybe try a different source as well. if you still get acne with e2 in range that could be from the primo or the source of the primo...

probably the primo depending on your timeline

 

[white couch]

Maybe try GSO... maybe try a different source as well. if you still get acne with e2 in range that could be from the primo or the source of the primo...

probably the primo depending on your timeline

started before the primo; it actually got a bit better with it since it lowered the e2 more.
will get this gso one, dial in the e2 and see how it goes

 

[SnowyMiami]

bloods 2 months ago (taken right before pinning, so at the lowest level) were on just 300 test e/week (pharmaqo 300mg/ml test e in MCT), without primo, where e2 was at 344 pmol/L (ref range 41.4-159 pmol/L) at 14-15% body fat. After the bloods I introduced 200 primo/week (QSC MCT primo 100mg/ml).

1 month and a half ago I hopped on bayer testoviron, as I received a very good deal, at less than half the market price (dosing still at 300mg/week), unfortunately it was fake. Bloods done a few days ago (right before pinning again), sitting at 10pg/mL free test (ref range 8.4-25.4 pg/mL), total test 6.31 nmol/L (ref range 8.64-29), only thing keeping it there is the ovitrelle 250iu I do 2 times a week. E2 on this is 87.6 pmol/L, which I still find surprisingly high for such low testosterone.

I am at 10% body fat now, going for 8-9% and have that going year round. 186cm tall, 90kg, late 20s. Strictly gym training 11 years+, sports aficionado since age 4 (tennnis, football, mtb, everything I could put my hands and feet on). Had a period of contest prep for men's physique which ended in injury due to a bad coach 3 years ago. Eat extremely healthy, 0 alcohol, 0 sugar snack crap, 0 sodas, no smoking, vegetables when possible from my garden etc.

At the moment I practice track training (100m sprint and 1km). M-W-F track, Tuesday (upper body) - Thursday (legs), where I train mainly for strength and end the workout for a bit of hypertrophy/pumping. Main objective is to be athletic, look good, be healthy and maintain my youth in old age.

Am on ezetimibe as well, rest of blood work:
LDL at 68mg/dL
HDL at 42
total cholesterol 110
triglycerides 40
non HDL 70
total lipids 400mg/dL
slightly raised creatinine 1.27mg/dL (ref up until 1.2) probably from cutting on high protein intake
raised progresteron 0.713 nmo/L (0.474 upper limit ref range)
SHBG 10.7 nmol/L from primo
hsCRP 0.762
blood count is fine
thyroid is fine
slightly raised ALT from training, rest of liver is fine (direct bilirubin is raised at 0.44 mg/dL , max ref range 0.3)
dhea-s mid ref range, will start 25mg/day soon
had no more money to test pregnenolone this time

Last checkup (2 years ago) for full abdominal organ utrasound was fine, heart ultrasound fine (except some minor valve regurgitation, probably have this since birth), thyroid ultrasound fine. Prostate ultrasound and normal prostate check fine. Cancer markers fine. blood pressure fine

I don't even know where to start besides to say you need to stop listening to Vigorous Steve immediately. This is not medical advice but what I would do:

Should have lowered the test not thrown primo in. 300mg is a lot for someone who is 90kg (200 pounds) leanish. I'll bet the buried SHBG is making you feel like ass not just the high estrogen.

If you eat clean and are in your twenties there is no reason to crush your cholesterol further with ezitimibe.

Adding DHEA-S is literally the worst thing to do if your E2 is coming in high. It is E2 in a pill. The HCG is taking care of neurosteroids.

Seriously take a breath and take a step back. Drop the ancillaries, lower the dose and use a normal viscosity pharma carrier oil. Follow the instructions that that they put out for pharma test.

If you have HCG on board you are still producing natural test on top of what you are shooting in your butt so you can get decent levels on lower test doses.

https://bauschhealth.ca/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Delatestryl PI-E-2019-07-02.pdf

 

[lukiss96]

Jeez, people really wanna renveint the wheel. Look, choose the ester and decide what you want. Undec is fine for weekly up to e10 days injections. Test C is best for 2x weekly injections at max e5 days. You wanna prolong the U action, then castor oil it is. No point in my opinion. Too much to load and half life is too long in case you need to drop down the dose.

Want to hear some controversy? I repond great to Test C and very bad to TU, go figure. The ester can be a game changer, everyone is different and therefore react differently.

 

[glpfun]

Im here for the peach oil wtf is that

Is there mango oil?

 

[white couch]

I don't even know where to start besides to say you need to stop listening to Vigorous Steve immediately. This is not medical advice but what I would do:

Should have lowered the test not thrown primo in. 300mg is a lot for someone who is 90kg (200 pounds) leanish. I'll bet the buried SHBG is making you feel like ass not just the high estrogen.

If you eat clean and are in your twenties there is no reason to crush your cholesterol further with ezitimibe.

Adding DHEA-S is literally the worst thing to do if your E2 is coming in high. It is E2 in a pill. The HCG is taking care of neurosteroids.

Seriously take a breath and take a step back. Drop the ancillaries, lower the dose and use a normal viscosity pharma carrier oil. Follow the instructions that that they put out for pharma test.

If you have HCG on board you are still producing natural test on top of what you are shooting in your butt so you can get decent levels on lower test doses.

https://bauschhealth.ca/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Delatestryl PI-E-2019-07-02.pdf

Jeez, people really wanna renveint the wheel. Look, choose the ester and decide what you want. Undec is fine for weekly up to e10 days injections. Test C is best for 2x weekly injections at max e5 days. You wanna prolong the U action, then castor oil it is. No point in my opinion. Too much to load and half life is too long in case you need to drop down the dose.

Want to hear some controversy? I repond great to Test C and very bad to TU, go figure. The ester can be a game changer, everyone is different and therefore react differently.

I managed to dial it in better now

Got to 7% body fat, 87.5kg, shredded everywhere, which also helped with e2

Still doing 300mg test e (now in grapeseed oil) and 200mg primo per week, my e2 sitting at about 30pg/mL (ref range up until 40).
Didn't test shbg this time around. Will keep doing test e

Feeling decent, keep doing new PRs constantly while getting this amazing body recomp, sitting at 140kg bench press, 185kg squat, 60kg neutral pull up, 82.5kg strict overhead shoulder press (started from the clavicle)

I stopped the ancillaries for a bit

Only my libido is a bit weak (compared to how I am used to). Think I will lower the primo to 150/week to get the e2 a bit higher again (to upper range limit)

Was thinking about lowering test also to 250, but I keep doing great with the strength gains, wouldn't want to plateau so soon

 

[Astartes]

TU in Tea tree oil vs castor oil is 21 to 34 days. So yeah, it is substantial

Though to point out, it is unproven if this is because the body takes so much longer to absorb the oil before cleaving can begin or if the body gets some semblance of even distribution in the cleaving process still. (Throughout the absorption period)

 

[Ghoul]

If you're a high aromatizer, just microdose this with your TRT. 6.25mg x 2 week might be sufficient to take care of your E2 issue, very unlikely to experience any sides at such a low dose.

 

[kasperl]

Im here for the peach oil wtf is that

Is there mango oil?

Balkan & SP used Peach Oil in their injectables (at least in the past)

pharmasource had a batch of test e in hemp oil, which was basically green if i remember correctly

 

[mikeh1998]

You only aromatize the testosterone molecule once the ester has been cleaved. The oil will slow that down a little but it’s not substantially changing it since you have continuous release from the oil over the 2-days since the last pin. SubQ is useless. Biggest load of shit sold to the TRT community because of the stigma that comes with big scary needles.

The subq insulin needle shit pisses me off because when I first injected I thought that injecting was some mega scary shit where I could end up seizing on the floor.

I had to ditch the "slin pins" because I kept getting subq leaks combined with UGL Test E fucking my shit up.

Once I got some real actual needles made for proper IM injections I stopped getting insane PIP that made me unable to walk properly or even think without popping extra strength ibuprofen.

Genuinely fuck people who recommend this subq shit to noobs. Noobs need to learn how to administer a normal IM injection before they start doing this experimental subq slin pin shit but it's pushed so hard as being "safer" and "less painful" and "less scary". Just ranting.