PEP's Test e, 1st cycle ever.

[irishchamp]

no worries brother, I read up on them and decided against it, owners rep is bad.....

Woah, that was a lot higher than I thought it was going to be but much less than what it should be at a g/week.

And a heads up on my purchase peptides recommendation: I might not have done enough due diligence in my research on them because now Im reading some people are claiming that they are underdosed. So fuck if I know.
But I would def suggest to look around for some other PCT source, cause you already know for a fact that PEPs Test E was underdosed, but you def dont want to risk your boys on under PCT.

 

[irishchamp]

when I got my blood drawn it was almost 5 weeks sense upping the dose.

I'm glad you got your number. How long has it been since you upped the dose?

thanks man.

I commend Irish for seeing his cycle out , and adapting to underdosed gear , you got your number alright ........

thanks. I've been eating big and pushing my self this week, hopefully is pays off.

I'm glad your number worked out for you bro!!! Keep going hard and make the most of it!

 

[irishchamp]

ok, so I have a quick update on workouts and eating.
After my good back, bi's and abs workout Monday I've been working in the yard shoveling and raking plus operating a skid steer moving dirt.
I worked outside Tuesday for 9hours, shoveling for about 3-4 hours, hitting back bi's and core. I was dead to the world Tuesday night.
Yesterday I did the same, a little lighter though as I had a rib out that was killing me.
I ate dirty the last two days so I'm feeling bloated, Panda express Tuesday night and KFC last night. about 4k calories Tues and Wed. I burned tons of calories both days so I tried to eat big. normally I'd use yardwork to trim down a little but right now I want to put on some god damn muscle!

I've always liked mixing up my gym routine with some chopping wood, shoveling etc. I think it really confuses the body and that's a good thing right.

Weight was 205 this morning, although I look pretty bloated, still think I MIGHT be adding a little size again for the first time sense the first month of this cycle.

I did end up ordering some Epistane, I'm about 90% sure I'm going to use it. I still really would prefer to end my cycle with tbol or var but I just don't see that happening. Var is a little too expensive and I just don't have a good source for either.

 

[joshua510]

hey IRISH, when did you purchase your gear, around january BOGO? blood is hard to get in Canada, private lab are 350$ here...

as for the AI (got PEPs too) had some itchy nipple around week 4-5 on Pep Test E.. started to take 12.5mg aro a day.. and it went away so did my bloat.

also got nolva from him for PCT, but like another member said - i will try the peptide sale just to be on the safe side

 

[joshua510]

hey IRISH, when did you purchase your gear, around january BOGO? blood is hard to get in Canada, private lab are 350$ here...

as for the AI (got PEPs too) had some itchy nipple around week 4-5 on Pep Test E.. started to take 12.5mg aro a day.. and it went away so did my bloat.

also got nolva from him for PCT, but like another member said - i will try the peptide sale just to be on the safe side

i mean extrem peptide, purchase peptide has a bad rep, and is known to sell bunks

 

[irishchamp]

I purchased my gear right before the BOGO I think. I too have noticed that the Aromasin does seem to work, I'm really tempted to get more labs to verify this. I'm thinking that I'll use the Aromasin and Clomid from pep but add Toremifene from someone else.
I do think most of peps stuff is real, just under dosed, well, I hope this is the case.
By the way, I paid about $350 for my pre cycle labs........through a local health fair, it was about half normal price but still a ripoff!

hey IRISH, when did you purchase your gear, around january BOGO? blood is hard to get in Canada, private lab are 350$ here...

as for the AI (got PEPs too) had some itchy nipple around week 4-5 on Pep Test E.. started to take 12.5mg aro a day.. and it went away so did my bloat.

also got nolva from him for PCT, but like another member said - i will try the peptide sale just to be on the safe side

 

[Virion]

good to see that your pep gear came through, so at 600mgs you had bloods show test at about 2000 and now at 1g it doubled to over 4000? nice, anyway kind of a dumb question but was there really a big difference in size and strength gains from 600mgs to 1g? i ordered some of peps stuff last year when it was really hot so i think it's legit and curious whether i should start at 600mg or up it. also how were the side effects at 600mg compared to 1g? thanks

 

[irishchamp]

I never got labs done at 600mg ew. some other members did though. peps test e has labmax'd as legit but the consensus is that it's under dosed. Fair warning, you'll get flamed big time for starting his gear after all the bad press happened. I think I got a free pass from major flack along with a few others because we started before........
you're an adult though, at least hopefully if your using gear . I say do what you want.
I've not felt much of anything different sense the beginning of my cycle, a little extra sex drive here and there, good pumps, and some decently strong lifts, but no mental effects, no "on" feeling etc. I did get a little extra acne and oily skin 3 or 4 weeks ago and some lethargy off and on. I gave blood to lower my red blood cell count, that helped my lethargy along with upping my AI.
I made some size gains the first month and then nothing to present. hoping that changes soon/is changing.
so basically, no difference in anything at 600 vs 1000.
I'd guess that the older your gear is the more possibility of it being more legit/less under dosed, I have zero evidence to back this up though.....
good luck.

good to see that your pep gear came through, so at 600mgs you had bloods show test at about 2000 and now at 1g it doubled to over 4000? nice, anyway kind of a dumb question but was there really a big difference in size and strength gains from 600mgs to 1g? i ordered some of peps stuff last year when it was really hot so i think it's legit and curious whether i should start at 600mg or up it. also how were the side effects at 600mg compared to 1g? thanks

 

[irishchamp]

so the epi arrived today, and I popped two of those bad boys, 30mg total.
I'm going to run 45mg ed, 15mg am, 15mg noon, and 15mg before workout for 6 weeks +3 days. That will take me right to the 16 week mark.
the 3 scenarios that I'm thinking about for the test e is:
1) run the test e to 16weeks as well, wait 3 weeks and start pct.
2) stop the test e around 14 weeks and run the epi two weeks past then stop, wait another week and start pct.
3)Stop the epi at 16 weeks but run the test e to 20 weeks, add some thing like clen + T3 for those 4 weeks to lean out a little.
Epistine is a lean compound so I'm interested to see how it works out, its supposed to be similar to Anavar. most run it at 30-60mg ed, but some say that 75-120mg ed is where the magic happens. I'm tentatively planning on keeping it at 45mg the whole time.

 

[Rhynosaurus]

I would personally just roll with scenario #1, you will prob just plateau around then anyway. Plus 20 weeks of suppression might be a little tougher to recover from.
Make sure you have plenty of joint support on hand, epi tends to dry people out like a motherfucker.

 

[irishchamp]

Thanks for your input man. I'm leaning towards stopping the test e at 14 or 16 weeks. 20 weeks really does seem like a long time, def out of the norm at the very least.
I have a good MSM product that I like, I also take SAMe off and on, it does wonders for my joints, its supposed to rebuild cartilage. I'm out of fish oil but am going to order some more. hopefully that will be adequate. what do you think?

I would personally just roll with scenario #1, you will prob just plateau around then anyway. Plus 20 weeks of suppression might be a little tougher to recover from.
Make sure you have plenty of joint support on hand, epi tends to dry people out like a motherfucker.

 

[Rhynosaurus]

Thanks for your input man. I'm leaning towards stopping the test e at 14 or 16 weeks. 20 weeks really does seem like a long time, def out of the norm at the very least.
I have a good MSM product that I like, I also take SAMe off and on, it does wonders for my joints, its supposed to rebuild cartilage. I'm out of fish oil but am going to order some more. hopefully that will be adequate. what do you think?

Looking at it again, scenario 2 would prob be the best; but start your PCT the day after your last Epi dose, two weeks after your last pin.
With more fish oil, you should be gtg. The epi should lessen the bloat a little bit too.

 

[joshua510]

are you still going to use PEP nolva?

or you bought some from another source?

 

[irishchamp]

I have peps clomid, I think I'm going to use it but add another Serm from a research co.

are you still going to use PEP nolva?

or you bought some from another source?

 

[03xx52]

Do not use CEM I just switched my adex from cem to MJR and my nips have zero pain now @ .5 mg

 

[irishchamp]

Ug, I've been sick again, this time something in my lower intestines. I've been on the shiter 15 times/day for the last 4 days along with an overall feeling of wanting to die, last night and today things have finally calmed down. I've not eaten much of anything in days, lost 8lbs, right now typing this my fore arms are burning.
its been miserable. I stopped taking my epi and all other supplements because they would aggregate things too much. I'll start up the epi again next week, I'll just run it for a week less.
I almost called it quits on my whole cycle Tuesday when I was due for a shot but I decided that would be the absolute worst thing to do right now, I was just no nauseous, the idea of pinning my self was unbearable. I finally got my shot done yesterday evening.
luckily I've proven not to be gyno prone, I couldn't take my AI either. I do have a topical AI I could have used though, should have used really.
anyway, I'm going to work on getting my calories back up over the next few days, I ate a bunch of pasta salad last night and some this morning, I really need to work on getting some protein back into my diet though, that's been the thing that aggravates my stomach the most, I haven't eaten meat in two days, awful!

 

[samsc744]

Sorry irishchamp hopefully things get better for you soon.
You may want to supplement with some protein shake until your stomach fully recover.

You mentioned topical al, do they actually work to prevent or control gyno? ?

 

[irishchamp]

thanks man, I think my stomach is recovering fast, I ate a big ass chicken burrito for lunch today and so far so good. I've always had a bomb proof gut so I'm really hoping it jumps back on track fast.

The topical AI is Formestane, I know it's inferior to Aromasin or Letro but its supposed to work well from what I've read.

Sorry irishchamp hopefully things get better for you soon.
You may want to supplement with some protein shake until your stomach fully recover.

You mentioned topical al, do they actually work to prevent or control gyno? ?

 

[bkent504]

thanks man, I think my stomach is recovering fast, I ate a big ass chicken burrito for lunch today and so far so good. I've always had a bomb proof gut so I'm really hoping it jumps back on track fast.

The topical AI is Formestane, I know it's inferior to Aromasin or Letro but its supposed to work well from what I've read.

Chicken burrito!? Ballsy move after your stomach problems haha.

Still rooting for you man. The dedication is inspiring.

 

[irishchamp]

Internet has been down for a few days, I hate att.
best burritos ever, no roach coach burritos on a bad stomach for me!
been back on Epistane for 3 days, feeling pretty good.

Chicken burrito!? Ballsy move after your stomach problems haha.

Still rooting for you man. The dedication is inspiring.