PEP's Test E with Bloodwork! (9 weeks in)

[johnnyBALLZ]

Are you sure? That would be incredibly high, are there any studies that support this? Not attacking you at all just being a skeptic.

Sure, I looked at the link and I've never seen that before.. 500mg/week put me at 5300 and 4000 on 2 separate occasions.. I don't have any links to point to off the top off my head just what I've read from Dr. Scally and others here..

Listen to this, it'll be one of the best hours you'll spend.. It goes over a lot of different topics but touches on blood work a few times.. Fast forward to the 30 minute mark if you don't want to listen to all of it.. He says 600mg/week should put levels at 5000-8000..

Blue Collar Radio with Shelby Starnes & John Meadows (01/31/14) This week John and Shelby talk to Michael Scally, an expert on anabolic steroid side effects.

 

[03xx52]

Good deal man, I'm mid cycle and will get bloods before I switch over to another lab.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I'm not trying to be the bearer of bad news here but the OP's numbers are very low for that dosage.

 

[03xx52]

Dude, no worries I have made gains but they have not been as shocking. When I switch over I'm going to extend my cycle another month, provided my bloods come back low.

 

[lucabratzi]

My trt doc said 250mg/wk would put me close to 1000. I know it doesn't translate directly but I'd assume 500-600mg would put the user around the 2000 range. No?

 

[bkent504]

I'm not trying to be the bearer of bad news here but the OP's numbers are very low for that dosage.

No worries at all. It's all good to know for future knowledge.

I'm just happy I haven't eaten a ton and gotten super fat while expecting muscle gains instead.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Lets not forget that some individuals don't exhibit the same range as others . My TRT doc said hes got guys that barely get past their natural low test on 100mg/wk ; others might be in the 1000 range .
Like I've said before I come in somewhere between 410 - 780ng on 100mg/wk Watsons and am considered a good responder .

 

[tipdog]

I am not supporting this one way or another, but my trt dose of 100mg put me at 196 ng/Dl on day 6. That was on an every other week schedule. I am on a weekly dose of 100mg and I do blood work next week to see where that puts me. So over 2000 might be underdosed then again it might not. Best way to know is try a different brand on the next cycle and see what those number are for that brand. Then if the number are higher, the first one was under dosed. But if the numbers are the same then that is just how his works with test.

 

[bkent504]

OK so I'm sure I could just look this up elsewhere, but I'll ask here since you guys have been so helpful thus far:

Say I switched to a new brand tomorrow. How long until I would theoretically be able to get labs done again to check to see the difference?

 

[Gape Van Damme]

At 4 weeks in with Astro's Test E at 500mg/wk, I was at 198ng/dl.

I have seen other clinical studies that I have posted on this forum before showing 600mg/wk of Test E putting individuals in the 2500ng/dl range.

Peak Test levels may follow the 1:10 mg:ng/dl rule, but I'm not sure if the average would be that way.

Up it if you want. I up'd my dose from 500mg/wk to 750mg/wk based on my bloods.

 

[tubesox]

OK so I'm sure I could just look this up elsewhere, but I'll ask here since you guys have been so helpful thus far:

Say I switched to a new brand tomorrow. How long until I would theoretically be able to get labs done again to check to see the difference?

depends on the ester...Enanthate 3-4 weeks cypionate 4-5 weeks

 

[tipdog]

I have a link for the american journal of physiology on endocronology and metabolism that says 600mg per week put the group of healthy males in the 2300 ng/Dl range after 16 weeks. There was a plus or minus of 170 points within the group. But that still puts a person under 2500. I don't know if I can post a hyperlink, so I didn't. I can quote the results if anyone is interested.

 

[Oregongearhead]

I have a link for the american journal of physiology on endocronology and metabolism that says 600mg per week put the group of healthy males in the 2300 ng/Dl range after 16 weeks. There was a plus or minus of 170 points within the group. But that still puts a person under 2500. I don't know if I can post a hyperlink, so I didn't. I can quote the results if anyone is interested.

Which brings up the question , is some guys high test reports coming from overdosed UGL labs ? A few years back some guys and I got some gear from a now defunct UGL and everyone was testing over 5000ng , even on 400mg/wk . It was some high dosed stuff and guys couldnt keep their BP in range , plus nose bleeds and severe headaches .

 

[tipdog]

That's amazing. It would have to be overdosed, or the pharmacy is getting tight and selling underdosed test. Too bad that lab is defunct now, maybe they overdosed themselves out of business.

 

[irishchamp]

I'm glad you got your labs back, must feel good to know where your numbers are regardless of what you hoped they'd be. seems that all the clinical trial info puts your numbers where they should be but best case UGL reports put your numbers low. I'd be inclined to believe clinical data....
As other members suggested, I'd suggest upping your dose till the end of your cycle, 750-1000mg/wk, see how it makes you feel.
thanks again for providing this info.
makes me feel better about my gut telling me to up my dose, I'm about 2 weeks into upping my dose to 900-1000mg/wk.
good luck.

 

[bkent504]

I'm glad you got your labs back, must feel good to know where your numbers are regardless of what you hoped they'd be. seems that all the clinical trial info puts your numbers where they should be but best case UGL reports put your numbers low. I'd be inclined to believe clinical data....
As other members suggested, I'd suggest upping your dose till the end of your cycle, 750-1000mg/wk, see how it makes you feel.
thanks again for providing this info.
makes me feel better about my gut telling me to up my dose, I'm about 2 weeks into upping my dose to 900-1000mg/wk.
good luck.

Good luck to you too. I'll be following your thread, I hope you feel better and things start moving again. Definitely looking forward to seeing when you start noticing changes from upping the dose.

 

[irishchamp]

Thanks man, I'm dying to get back to the gym, should be today or tomorrow.

Good luck to you too. I'll be following your thread, I hope you feel better and things start moving again. Definitely looking forward to seeing when you start noticing changes from upping the dose.

 

[Rhynosaurus]

Good job with getting full bloodwork. Are you switching to another source or just going to up your dose?

 

[bkent504]

Good job with getting full bloodwork. Are you switching to another source or just going to up your dose?

Both, new source and small increase in the dose.

I'll be looking to get more bloods done in 3.5-4 weeks.

 

[Rhynosaurus]

Both, new source and small increase in the dose.

I'll be looking to get more bloods done in 3.5-4 weeks.

I see. Who did you end up going with? I actually just started a PEP cycle too but after seeing these bloods/logs, I think I may just have to cut my losses and make a switch as well.