PEP's TestP and Anavar Short Cycles

[fit2beking]

That is what I am saying...I am already on TRT...My T level was 248 before getting on TRT....I am now on 80mg 2x a week for the passed 3 months and my number is up to 696.

So I am confused....are you saying YES I should look at short cycles....or no I should do a regular 10 to 14 week blast??

You can do either or....It is really up to you. Some do short blast others do long blasts. When you are on TRT like you and I are you don't do PCT when coming off your blast. It is really your choice. But your first blast should be test only. Length is entirely up to you.

 

[jonnybravo22]

Okay that is what I was thinking. Someone told me to add Anavar but I don't know much about it so I would have to do some research before deciding.

 

[overhandright]

Day4: Another great night's sleep. This morning at about 6am pip in my right quad was gone so I decided to pin there. Left quad still has a little pip but if it reacts like the right quad it should be gone tomorrow. There still hasn't been much noticeable pip in the glutes. I did cardio this morning. Again I was able to go a little further and harder. By about 2pm pip in the right quad started. It wasn't too painful. I was able to do an hour of sparring with no pain. But by about 8pm right quad pip became more painful. Tomorrow is no Test, only anavar and HCG. I will be lifting in the morning so I'm curious to see how my strength is doing. My muscles now have that just workouted look all day. And body temp and oily skin are still higher than usual. Also I found today that I have more energy at the end of the day now. I don't know if this is from the gear or the improved sleep.

 

[overhandright]

Day 5: Slept very well again. No Test P today but still did anavar 50mg and 250iu HCG at 6am. Pip in the left quad if gone but the right quad is still sore. I felt great in the gym this morning. Not really more strength but more energy and muscle endurance. I did more reps and needed less rest between sets. Throughout the day pip in the right quad got a little worse but not unbearable. I did cardio in the evening. Again my cardio feels like it has improved. It must be the anavar because during my last cycle(test,Tren,mast) I lost cardio.

 

[Spyder]

Day 5: Slept very well again. No Test P today but still did anavar 50mg and 250iu HCG at 6am. Pip in the left quad if gone but the right quad is still sore. I felt great in the gym this morning. Not really more strength but more energy and muscle endurance. I did more reps and needed less rest between sets. Throughout the day pip in the right quad got a little worse but not unbearable. I did cardio in the evening. Again my cardio feels like it has improved. It must be the anavar because during my last cycle(test,Tren,mast) I lost cardio.

The tren is why cardio was down last time - how much tren where you taking?

 

[overhandright]

The tren is why cardio was down last time - how much tren where you taking?

That makes sense. I was doing 100ml EOD.

 

[Oregongearhead]

I have another thread in here in the TRT section. I have never tried any other type of steroid or prohormone.

I went to the doc for low sex drive. My numbers came back as 248. Waited a week and came back at 249.

Doc (like most) is only familiar with TRT and not Clomid or HCG and neither was I at the time. Pretty much jumped right on it. Been on for around 4 months and seeing impovements in a lot of things. Mood and sex drive could still be a little better.

Talked to the guys at IMT. They said I could try coming off of it now and trying just Clomid or HCG but it is hard to get (legally) and I could be wasting my time.

I do not want kids and do not mind the shots as long it helps me feel better and have a better relationship with my wife. I have felt like shit and had the symptoms since i was 20 and never though it was Low T. Just stress and anxiety.

At 26 I would try a clomid restart , you dont wanna pin TRT twice a week at your age unless you really have to . I'm on TRT (160mg/wk too) and twice your age and its a royal hassle sometimes .

You can score Clomid here and do your own cycle if you dont have a willing doctor . Some young guys just need a kickstart then they start producing again and its better to have 700ng of natural test then suppressing your LH & FSH for 700ng artificial testosterone .

 

[Spyder]

At 26 I would try a clomid restart , you dont wanna pin TRT twice a week at your age unless you really have to . I'm on TRT (160mg/wk too) and twice your age and its a royal hassle sometimes .

You can score Clomid here and do your own cycle if you dont have a willing doctor . Some young guys just need a kickstart then they start producing again and its better to have 700ng of natural test then suppressing your LH & FSH for 700ng artificial testosterone .

Just so you know - I heard that it is not a pretty thing and doing this can be really hard - but you have to stick to it and see if it works. Better to get your body going instead of TRT road.

 

[jonnybravo22]

^^^ That is what I heard as well. That Clomid has a very LOW success rate and since I am already on TRT and just got my levels back up that I would be risking months of depression (after coming off TRT again) to try and see if Clomid will work for me. I am open to any and all suggestions though.

I have never had a pituitary scan so I am currently trying to get a referal form a doc for one. I also admit that I am too young to be pinning 2x a week but at the same time I don't want to go back the depression I was in for 7 years.

 

[overhandright]

^^^ That is what I heard as well. That Clomid has a very LOW success rate and since I am already on TRT and just got my levels back up that I would be risking months of depression (after coming off TRT again) to try and see if Clomid will work for me. I am open to any and all suggestions though.

I have never had a pituitary scan so I am currently trying to get a referal form a doc for one. I also admit that I am too young to be pinning 2x a week but at the same time I don't want to go back the depression I was in for 7 years.

Torem is better than clomid in my opinion. It works much faster. Also have you thought about HCG. You can try a HCG blast then run a SERM and see where that puts you. If that doesn't work maybe run normal doses of HCG for a couple of months at a time. Many HRP docs here prescribe HCG before Test. I've been told by a doc that she has taken patients from around the 200-300 level up to the 600-700 level just with HCG.

 

[jonnybravo22]

Torem is better than clomid in my opinion. It works much faster. Also have you thought about HCG. You can try a HCG blast then run a SERM and see where that puts you. If that doesn't work maybe run normal doses of HCG for a couple of months at a time. Many HRP docs here prescribe HCG before Test. I've been told by a doc that she has taken patients from around the 200-300 level up to the 600-700 level just with HCG.

But wouldn't I have to come off of TRT for a few months....then begin experimenting with the others so that I would have baseline levels to compare to?

 

[overhandright]

But wouldn't I have to come off of TRT for a few months....then begin experimenting with the others so that I would have baseline levels to compare to?

Nope. You already know your baseline pre TRT(249). So depending on what Test ester you are using, you only have to be off of it for 7-14 days before you do a HCG blast for a week and then torem for 30 days. This is a standard PCT. After that have your levels checked again. Now if you are not happy with the numbers then try a HCG cycle. After about a month of the HCG cycle have your levels checked again. Either of these should kick start your natural Test production and probably should have been tried before TRT.

 

[overhandright]

Day 6: Another great night of sleep. I can't remember when I slept this well, this many nights in a row. Right quad is still really sore from pip. I will probably only pin my glutes for the rest ps the cycle. This morning at 7am pinned left glute, with wife's help. No pip throughout the day. I had very mild pip in the evening but I couldn't even notice it unless I rubbed the area. I trained (muay thai and jiu jitsu) this morning and felt great. Cardio and strength are both up. I had to increase the anastrozole to 1mg a day. Nips started to get a little puffy. I have one more week of pinning Pep's Test P and using his anavar 50mg. My body composition appears to have changed a little but the scale will let me know tomorrow. I'm interested to see what improvements I make next week and how well I keep them during the off month.

 

[jonnybravo22]

thank you sir. and good luck on your cycle

 

[overhandright]

Day7: Slept very well again. No Test P today but still did anavar 50mg and 250iu HCG at 8am. Pip in the right quad is almost gone. Still no pip in glute. The scale this morning put me at 223.6lbs with 11% body fat. Today was my rest day, no weights, cardio or training. Tomorrow is a Test P injection and I will be hitting weights and cardio in the morning.

 

[overhandright]

Day 8: Another great night of sleep. Right quad pip is gone. At 6am pinned right glute. No pip throughout the day and none in the evening. I lifted and ran this morning. Cardio and strength are both up. The increase anastrozole seems to be working. Diet is very clean. I planned it out before cycle. But something is killing my appetite. I'm not sure if it is the Test P, anavar, HCG or anastrozole. Also I notice a slight ache in my liver so I increased the milk thistle.

 

[overhandright]

Day9: Slept great. No Test P today but still did anavar 50mg and 250iu HCG at 6am. Still no pip in glute. I lifted in the morning and had to work late this evening so no striking or jiujitsu tonight. I had plenty of energy throughout the day. And I think the increased libido is here. I wanted to bang everything that walked today. Also my liver is better so the extra milk thistle worked. Tomorrow is a Test P injection and I will be hitting weights in the morning and sparring in the evening.

 

[overhandright]

Day 10: Another great night of sleep. At 6am pinned left glute. No pip throughout the day and none in the evening. I lifted this morning and trained in the evening. My cardio, size and strength are both up but not as much as I had hoped. Only two more injections before PCT and gains are very minimal. However it would be great if I can keep the gains throughout my PCT then start the next cycle. I'm debating on when to have bloods done. Either just after my next cycle before PCT or after the next cycle's PCT. I'm not sure of which would be better.

 

[overhandright]

Day11: Good night of sleep. No Test P today but still did anavar 50mg and 250iu HCG at 6am. Still no pip in glute. I lifted in the morning and did striking and jiujitsu tonight. I haven't noticed as much of a strength increase as I've heard you get with Test and anavar but muscle endurance has improved. I had plenty of energy throughout the day. Libido is way up. I get spontaneous erections several times a day.

 

[overhandright]

Day 12: Slept great. At 6am pinned left glute and took 50mg anavar. No pip throughout the day and none in the evening. I lifted this morning and trained in the evening. Only one Test P injection left. So if I don't continue gains through PCT short cycles my not be for me. But I really don't like the long off periods from traditional cycles either. Looks like more research is needed to find a happy median.