personal log, road to first competition 2024 autumn

[ovrdooze]

Oh shit just read your cycle, that’s a lot. How does it feel being on a 2g cycle? Besides the lethargy

lethagy went away since npp dropped
only bad side i need to tolerate rn is night sweats, think its due to the high test
it's not the same as tren night sweat as i can easily fall back asleep after changing my shirts, i dont feel amped up in the AMs (slight problems arise when the pillow runs out of dry sides)

 

[ovrdooze]

The cycle is heavy..
My only question is why you only ran the Primo for 5 weeks..? For me thays when im noticing it working.
And godbless you for being able to run NPP over 400 with out the mental sides being to much.. npp is in my top 3 favorites for growing but over 300-350mg I start to get very depressed,jealous and even edgy..
It seems to be working ok for you though. I personally would have things different but that's because I we all respond different to compounds.
I'm not sure what your goal is as far as weight but from your diet log it looks to me like if you pushed more food you would respond and grow more.. you did a good job tracking weight and cals daily imo

i wanted to run it instead of NPP then changed my mind after using up a vial, so it was not a well thought out strategy. i might intoduce it later instead of npp

my limit is somewhere over there too, on 350 im fine, on 600 it was terrible.
eerie thing is i didnt really notice the lethargy "kick in" so it took a couple of days to realize im feeling shit (frog in the slowly boiling water effect) because of it

if i push the food too much i i noticed fat creeping up my belly. i'm trying to take it slow not to get too fat. next week i plan to introduce a "superhigh" day for monday with 500-550gs of carbs, if by next week i dont see my shape going whack too much i'll drop the low days and go with medium instead. baby steps with calories, im really prone to gaining fat

 

[ovrdooze]

not sure if it changes much currently but i'm a smoker, i smoke abt a gram of weed every night (2-3 joints) before going to bed. plan to drop it next month (so by next week)
my sleep will probably suffer for a week or two but need to get rid of it before i start cutting (with the current calories i dont get uncontrollable hunger from it but im sure i will on a deficit)

 

[patriotmuscle1]

i wanted to run it instead of NPP then changed my mind after using up a vial, so it was not a well thought out strategy. i might intoduce it later instead of npp

my limit is somewhere over there too, on 350 im fine, on 600 it was terrible.
eerie thing is i didnt really notice the lethargy "kick in" so it took a couple of days to realize im feeling shit (frog in the slowly boiling water effect) because of it

if i push the food too much i i noticed fat creeping up my belly. i'm trying to take it slow not to get too fat. next week i plan to introduce a "superhigh" day for monday with 500-550gs of carbs, if by next week i dont see my shape going whack too much i'll drop the low days and go with medium instead. baby steps with calories, im really prone to gaining fat

That makes sense why the Primo went in and out .. I love npp eq and test haha..
You may or may not be holding some good gains back by fear of some fat..to me it just looks like you not taking advantage of these higher range doses with min food. Thays just my thoughts dont take then in offense.I too gain fat easily in the past but for me I won't grow in correlation to the MG unless I push the food and maybe gain 5lbs of fat.. that fat always came off easily..
I'm gonna say this because it mayhelp.. your more scared of the food then the 2gs of gear.. I'm just showing you how from my shoes it's seems counter productive. But you look good ..I'm only offering some thought.. you look better then me right now.
I'm 8 pounds heavier then I've ever been but I also have the most fat I've ever had.. I went 2 years no training and no hormones.. bad diet and very sedentary. I've been heavy before but nowhere near this fat..I'm losing about 2lbs a week..150-175 MG test 2700-2500 and bike/walking.. I'm not lifting at all yet.. if I start lifting in the gym I will lose focus and just pin gear eat lift ..
I'm gonna log here once I get to 215 and hold it for awhile.

 

[jJjburton]

not sure if it changes much currently but i'm a smoker, i smoke abt a gram of weed every night (2-3 joints) before going to bed. plan to drop it next month (so by next week)
my sleep will probably suffer for a week or two but need to get rid of it before i start cutting (with the current calories i dont get uncontrollable hunger from it but im sure i will on a deficit)

Dude thats alot of pot, why not switch to edibles?

 

[ovrdooze]

Dude thats alot of pot, why not switch to edibles?

weed’s illegal here, no readily available edibles
I made some before though but it costs more overall (or my technique is shit) - given the fact that both me and my wife are smokers is a huge factor
And also it stays in my system longer, i train around 6-7am, if i cooked my brain the night before with some edibles id still be considerably high next morning

 

[ovrdooze]

That makes sense why the Primo went in and out .. I love npp eq and test haha..
You may or may not be holding some good gains back by fear of some fat..to me it just looks like you not taking advantage of these higher range doses with min food. Thays just my thoughts dont take then in offense.I too gain fat easily in the past but for me I won't grow in correlation to the MG unless I push the food and maybe gain 5lbs of fat.. that fat always came off easily..
I'm gonna say this because it mayhelp.. your more scared of the food then the 2gs of gear.. I'm just showing you how from my shoes it's seems counter productive. But you look good ..I'm only offering some thought.. you look better then me right now.
I'm 8 pounds heavier then I've ever been but I also have the most fat I've ever had.. I went 2 years no training and no hormones.. bad diet and very sedentary. I've been heavy before but nowhere near this fat..I'm losing about 2lbs a week..150-175 MG test 2700-2500 and bike/walking.. I'm not lifting at all yet.. if I start lifting in the gym I will lose focus and just pin gear eat lift ..
I'm gonna log here once I get to 215 and hold it for awhile.

you are absolutely right and im sort of aware of it deep down
I was a fat kid and developed some sort of fat phobia after i got in shape like 15 years ago
I know im keeping gains on the table and stupid to raise gear before food but if i start gaining fat i start feeling shit and demotivated
So im trying to balance on the fine line of gaining as much fat as i can mentally tolerate and trying to maximize lean tissue development

At the same time im also trying to mentally train myself by slowly raising food and getting used to the fact that fat is not necessary my enemy
Damn i might sound like a whining bitch but trying to be fully honest

 

[patriotmuscle1]

you are absolutely right and im sort of aware of it deep down
I was a fat kid and developed some sort of fat phobia after i got in shape like 15 years ago
I know im keeping gains on the table and stupid to raise gear before food but if i start gaining fat i start feeling shit and demotivated
So im trying to balance on the fine line of gaining as much fat as i can mentally tolerate and trying to maximize lean tissue development

At the same time im also trying to mentally train myself by slowly raising food and getting used to the fact that fat is not necessary my enemy
Damn i might sound like a whining bitch but trying to be fully honest

Your not alone in that thought process at all.. the beauty about this is you can do it how ever you want . It's your body your choice.. and you've made a ton of progress already. That says alot period. Your fine in my book. I only said what I said to learn myself and/or help if possible.
Your aware of what could "maybe" be changed for the better. Also open to criticism and suggestions. Thats more then the majority.

 

[ovrdooze]

A slightly more telling progress pic
Left was taken on nov 16, couple of days before starting the blast (91.2 kg- 201lbs)
Right one this morning (102.6kg - 226lbs)

 

[ovrdooze]

WEEK 16 update​

34 weeks out
last weeks stats:
Average weight: 103,39 kg (228 lbs)
Weight increase compared to last week: 0,8kg (1,7lbs)ű
Average macros last week:

3706,6 kcal

292,5 g carbs

431,8 g protein

75,9 g fat

Forgot to took aromasin for the weekend so I weighed 106,7kg this morning ,all time record, terrible bloat
Last week was awesome, i felt super motivated all week, despite 5 hr sleeps, I attribute it to masteron and backing down on NPP.

Was thinking if I should raise it or keep it as is but keeping in mind my main method this blast: raise if i can tolerate it, so i upped Mast to 1,225 mg/ week, 1:1 ratio with test (upped from 875mg)

For food I don't plan to fiddle with it much, as long as the weekly weight gain is above 0.3kg I'm fine with it, for carbs I might up the weekly average by 50g.

Current load: 1,225mg Test E, 1,225mg Mast e 350ng NPP 10 iu generic GH/day (4iu before bed 3 iu after waking 3 iu at around 3pm) , 175 mcg T4 /day, 10mg aromasin / day

Worst side I'm having rn is the CTS, the newly acquired bloat doesn't help
Since my BP is also creeping up I'll get some Telmisartan/HCT which should take care of the bloat partially as well.

 

[patriotmuscle1]

WEEK 16 update​

34 weeks out
last weeks stats:
Average weight: 103,39 kg (228 lbs)
Weight increase compared to last week: 0,8kg (1,7lbs)ű
Average macros last week:

3706,6 kcal

292,5 g carbs

431,8 g protein

75,9 g fat

Forgot to took aromasin for the weekend so I weighed 106,7kg this morning ,all time record, terrible bloat
Last week was awesome, i felt super motivated all week, despite 5 hr sleeps, I attribute it to masteron and backing down on NPP.

Was thinking if I should raise it or keep it as is but keeping in mind my main method this blast: raise if i can tolerate it, so i upped Mast to 1,225 mg/ week, 1:1 ratio with test (upped from 875mg)

For food I don't plan to fiddle with it much, as long as the weekly weight gain is above 0.3kg I'm fine with it, for carbs I might up the weekly average by 50g.

Current load: 1,225mg Test E, 1,225mg Mast e 350ng NPP 10 iu generic GH/day (4iu before bed 3 iu after waking 3 iu at around 3pm) , 175 mcg T4 /day, 10mg aromasin / day

Worst side I'm having rn is the CTS, the newly acquired bloat doesn't help
Since my BP is also creeping up I'll get some Telmisartan/HCT which should take care of the bloat partially as well.

I hate cts!!! I had it so bad on 6-8ius split am/pm. I would wake up from dead sleep with the worst burning stinging pain in my ring and middle fingers of my right hand!! It was horribke!! I wanted to cut them off!!
Then not long after that started I got tennis elbow so bad it hurt to hold a coffee cup!! It sucked!!! After stopping the gh entirely ittooks about 2 months for cys to fade completely, but the elbow/yendon pain lasted 5 months after stopping. Alot of that could be or possibly was from training. I eased up on arms and shit as best I could but man that shit sucked.

 

[ovrdooze]

I hate cts!!! I had it so bad on 6-8ius split am/pm. I would wake up from dead sleep with the worst burning stinging pain in my ring and middle fingers of my right hand!! It was horribke!! I wanted to cut them off!!
Then not long after that started I got tennis elbow so bad it hurt to hold a coffee cup!! It sucked!!! After stopping the gh entirely ittooks about 2 months for cys to fade completely, but the elbow/yendon pain lasted 5 months after stopping. Alot of that could be or possibly was from training. I eased up on arms and shit as best I could but man that shit sucked.

for me it's rather annoying than painful. i get the pins and needles feeling (not the preworkout type.. ) but not very often, most of the time it's just numb.
had to change sleeping habits slightly though, i like tucking my arm under my pillow sleeping on my belly but for obvious reasons it doesn't work anymore
sometimes i go over my forearms with a massage gun which gives a temporary relief.
Tip of my fingers are almost constantly numb, buttoning my shirt is turning into a challenge

 

[Eddie.]

Hey man, you're trying to bulk now right? Is there a reason for that high protein? I think it's excessive even for cutting on your bodyweight.

 

[patriotmuscle1]

for me it's rather annoying than painful. i get the pins and needles feeling (not the preworkout type.. ) but not very often, most of the time it's just numb.
had to change sleeping habits slightly though, i like tucking my arm under my pillow sleeping on my belly but for obvious reasons it doesn't work anymore
sometimes i go over my forearms with a massage gun which gives a temporary relief.
Tip of my fingers are almost constantly numb, buttoning my shirt is turning into a challenge

I wish my experience was less extreme.. it's possible it got bad so quick because I ramped up the dose to fast.. I have 300ius and ill get some more before my next run but I plan to run it again once I get my weight down for this next blast.. be my first blast in 2 years!! I can't wait. This time I'm going to titrate dose dose up alot slower.. and as soon as cts side start back down a touch.. This way I believe I'll ne able to find my sweet spot and run it much longer with much less to zero pain. Thats the plan.. wish the weight would drop quicker but I'm doing just trt counting cals and doing 30-45 mins of hard cardio a day. 2298 is my cals 40%carbs 25%fat and 35%protein.. I'd like to raise protein higher and less carbs but with current schedule I'm struggling to get the protein as it is.

 

[ovrdooze]

Hey man, you're trying to bulk now right? Is there a reason for that high protein? I think it's excessive even for cutting on your bodyweight.

Bulk
I like to eat a fuckton and get fat easily, i figured it’s better to overdo protein than anything else
Im not trying to shove in extra gramms of protein on intetion, im always hungry as it is , if i feel too hungry for several days, i up the chicken breast (1kg/day currently)

Btw that protein takes into account all consumed food’s protein content, the ones coming from animal source are about 70-80% of the total

 

[ovrdooze]

33 weeks out
last weeks stats:
Average weight: 105,7 kg (233 lbs)
Weight increase compared to last week: 1,7kg
Average macros last week:
3595,9 kcal / 309,6g ch / 415,2g protein / 62,5g fat

Current load: 1,050mg Test E, 1,050 mg Mast e 350ng NPP 10 iu generic GH/day , 100 mcg T4 /day, 10mg aromasin / day

Dialed back on gear and food very slightly as my weight is still going up
Run out of T4 for 4days, if anything it showed that it's not useless. I was so freaking tired all day despite comnsuming industrial ammounts of caffeineand some ephedra now and then.
CTS still ongoing, i think im getting used to not feeling my fingertips. Nose picking is like going into a cave without flashlight.
Last week i got all moody (felt like im full of this shit) with all the pinnings and eatings when i still feel food lingering in my stomach but got over it
Next week I'm going to Malta for a business trip, no training, no pinning for 3 days. I though i'd be nervous about it but as it's approaching I cant wait for this excuse to take a mini break from all these body torturings (despite actual training- i might look for a local gym just for fun)

 

[ovrdooze]

quick update: had a 3 day business trip to Malta and obviously I couldnt eat as much and the same quality as at home. Took some protein bars and powder with me, apart from the hotel breakfast and a lunch at a restaurant that was all i ate.
Monday on the day of departure i was 104,6 kgs, today morning i measured 100,5kg and it's well visible. The fact that I'm more ripped compensates the shirkage though (also switched about a week ago from generic aromasin to pharmacy, that might have contributed to it too)
I expect to get back on track weight wise in max a week

 

[ovrdooze]

106kg as of today, didnt take long to "recover"
calories were raised as well averaging around 4000-4100
next week i'm raising both gear (to 1250mast 1250 test 350 npp) and food by 200 kcal (from carbs )

 

[ovrdooze]

a fairly interesting observation:
I had NPP raised to 700mg/week earlier which i reduced after 1,5 weeks, losing motivation and feeling shit / paranoid to 350mg/wk which was still tolerable
decided to pull the lions tail a bit and raised it to 60mg/day ( 360mg/week) mid last week and i caught myself thinking about bringing gas spray and a knife meeting a new weed dealer I met last night. I'm usually never that paranoid so i pulled the plug on raising it slowly back.

 

[ovrdooze]

my rhr is at 90-100 and this was like this before the blast as well
i drink a shit ton of coffe and also a bad sleeper, the latter i cant change and the former is the result of the latter one (I honestly tried everything, dont eve start giving tips cause chances are i tired and failed with it already) - so let's consider these constants
would you consider some medication to tackle it? beta blockers sound like they would interfere with performance too much

my bhp is around 130/90 nowadays, was below 120/70 before the blast - i'll start taking telmisartan today
already had on hand, wanted to utilize it as soon as it goes above 140/90-100 but reading about it conviced me it wont hurt to start using it now