Does any one else have this problem? Its killing my leg routine, I've started using lite weight but its only got worse. Any help on some type of theapy training. I have a knee strap for jumers knee it helps some but thats it. I start my fourth cycle in 2-3 weeks hope to be back on track by then if not I may have to postpone my next cycle.
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Petella tendenitis affecting training
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Yes know about it well.Have had 3 knee surgeries due to a patella tear on my left knee.My right knee is is now the trouble one.Part of the problem is a mis alignment of the knee cap and the way tracks.I had a lateral realease done on my left knee and it is all about healed.(1 year)..The right knee is now the problem.
I recommend very light weight and high reps. and lots of rest it is the only way I have found relief.Also don't break form.
Hope this helps
motoxman
AXE said:
Yes know about it well.Have had 3 knee surgeries due to a patella tear on my left knee.My right knee is is now the trouble one.Part of the problem is a mis alignment of the knee cap and the way tracks.I had a lateral realease done on my left knee and it is all about healed.(1 year)..The right knee is now the problem.
I recommend very light weight and high reps. and lots of rest it is the only way I have found relief.Also don't break form.
Hope this helps
motoxman
musclebobbuffpants
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When you say it's affecting your leg training are you refering to squats? If so, there are plenty of other leg exercises that should not bother your knee. A lot of ppl run into knee problems when they squat narrow because the knee is going past the ankle. So if you squat narrow stance, go to a wider stance or even a box squat. In fact, if squats are the culprit, I'd go right to box squats. The key is to find an exercise that does not irritate the knee and stick with that for several wks, and slow add in other exercises. And of coarse the obvious is to ice it, ice it, ice it.
Maybe you could post your leg routine, and explain at what point it begins to hurt. Then we may be able to suggest alt. leg exercises that may or may not bother you. Just remember that we can only give you our oppinions, a sport doc. or P.T. would be better suited to help you.
musclebobbuffpants
Maybe you could post your leg routine, and explain at what point it begins to hurt. Then we may be able to suggest alt. leg exercises that may or may not bother you. Just remember that we can only give you our oppinions, a sport doc. or P.T. would be better suited to help you.
musclebobbuffpants
I quit doing squats and started on all the machines. Low weight high rep. It hurts at just about every point of leg ext. Leg curls are not as bad. When I do leg presses I find my right leg seems to do most the work, so went to one leg. I will keep the high rep low weight going for now hopefully it will get better. I saw on some site that part of the reason was from a weak hamstring don't know if there is any truth to it. but I will be traning the as hard as I can stand.
musclebobbuffpants
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Some leg ext. machines are known for putting to much pressure on the back of the knee, which in turn causes knee pain. Stop doing them immediately. Start doing some detective work to find out what exactly you can do. For instance, try some barbell hack squats, Lunges, Good mornings, Dead lifts, SLDL, and so on. I don't think you're out of the leg game yet. Remember, you need to be thinking in terms of rehabilitation, so take it easy on everything, even hammies.
Are you doing any running? If not, good, don't. Try some brisk walking or some bike riding. Anything to exercise the natural motion of the knee. Also, look into getting some Glucosimine with Chondroitin(SP?). Above all, I think you need to get refered to an ortho or a P.T. They would be able to help you best.
MBBP
Are you doing any running? If not, good, don't. Try some brisk walking or some bike riding. Anything to exercise the natural motion of the knee. Also, look into getting some Glucosimine with Chondroitin(SP?). Above all, I think you need to get refered to an ortho or a P.T. They would be able to help you best.
MBBP
I've had surgery twice on the same knee and also had two cortisone shots into the same knee. When my knee starts acting up I take naproxen or vioxx twice a day for a few days, never more than 2 weeks at a time, and that usually takes care of it. Just lay off of a heavy leg work out for the first few days your taking the meds.
Hogg
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I have had a lot of scar tissue at the patellar junction and have torn the vastus lateralis on both legs. Here is what I have done in the past:
ULTRASOUND. 2-3 sessions a week for 2 weeks, then a month off of ultrasound so that the body does not become accustomed to it - discussed in my therapeutic modalities text.
Heavy weights in the 3-6 range after slow pyramidding and 10-15 minutes of spinning on the bike to get blood flow.
Rehband knee sleeves.
Good form.
A lot of static stretching even though static stretching is supposedly the worst method.
no heavy leg extensions.
Becoming a hip and ass squatter.
Lots of hamstring work - ala GMs
get off gear for a while and train natural.
I would have to say that the long pyramid was probably the most helpful. I would start at a plate and go up a quarter, then a plate, until I reached my target poundage. That is why my leg program was 10 sets of squats and then GMs and nothing else. It literally too 5-6 sets to pyramid up to 4 plates and that was it. If you are a 6-8-10 plate squatter, perhaps you should do the same, but do sets of 3-4 so that you arent spend when you get up in the 600-800 range.
Ultrasound helps....but I think getting off gear and letting cortisol get in there and kill some ugly muscle tissue is probably the best for solving this problem. Growth hormone will also help but if you are jacked on a lot of gear, one good and two bads does not make you whole. I think the time off period is critical with gear and then follow the pussy method of getting to your training poundage. My legs are really bad and that was the only way that I could train legs. Also, there is a relationship between blood flow in the tendons and tendon pain. When I was still riding bikes often, I never had tendon problems. When I got too heavy to ride and was sedentary other than weight training, my tendon problems began. the problem is, if you spend 4 hours a week on a bike (ie, cross country or roadie - downhill is not much of a blood pumping activity other than your heartrate because you are scared shitless descending) then it is going to impact your strength gains. Its a bit of a tradeoff analysis. If you can take the cardio, I'd ride 100 miles per week road or maybe 50-60 miles per week ( i only rode about 20 miles per week and it helped) cross country off road with some good hills.
Final thought - I was in the best shape of my life when riding cross country 2 hours per week and training downhill 2 hours. A measly 2 hours of hill climbing in the dirt made all the difference in the world and I had big calves from it too.
ULTRASOUND. 2-3 sessions a week for 2 weeks, then a month off of ultrasound so that the body does not become accustomed to it - discussed in my therapeutic modalities text.
Heavy weights in the 3-6 range after slow pyramidding and 10-15 minutes of spinning on the bike to get blood flow.
Rehband knee sleeves.
Good form.
A lot of static stretching even though static stretching is supposedly the worst method.
no heavy leg extensions.
Becoming a hip and ass squatter.
Lots of hamstring work - ala GMs
get off gear for a while and train natural.
I would have to say that the long pyramid was probably the most helpful. I would start at a plate and go up a quarter, then a plate, until I reached my target poundage. That is why my leg program was 10 sets of squats and then GMs and nothing else. It literally too 5-6 sets to pyramid up to 4 plates and that was it. If you are a 6-8-10 plate squatter, perhaps you should do the same, but do sets of 3-4 so that you arent spend when you get up in the 600-800 range.
Ultrasound helps....but I think getting off gear and letting cortisol get in there and kill some ugly muscle tissue is probably the best for solving this problem. Growth hormone will also help but if you are jacked on a lot of gear, one good and two bads does not make you whole. I think the time off period is critical with gear and then follow the pussy method of getting to your training poundage. My legs are really bad and that was the only way that I could train legs. Also, there is a relationship between blood flow in the tendons and tendon pain. When I was still riding bikes often, I never had tendon problems. When I got too heavy to ride and was sedentary other than weight training, my tendon problems began. the problem is, if you spend 4 hours a week on a bike (ie, cross country or roadie - downhill is not much of a blood pumping activity other than your heartrate because you are scared shitless descending) then it is going to impact your strength gains. Its a bit of a tradeoff analysis. If you can take the cardio, I'd ride 100 miles per week road or maybe 50-60 miles per week ( i only rode about 20 miles per week and it helped) cross country off road with some good hills.
Final thought - I was in the best shape of my life when riding cross country 2 hours per week and training downhill 2 hours. A measly 2 hours of hill climbing in the dirt made all the difference in the world and I had big calves from it too.
Ill have to try some of that. My doc told me my patella doesnt track right but didnt really have any advice other than "Dont squat and strengthen your quads and hams." I'll have to find a bike to ride so I can get a lot more bloodflow to the area, as Im basically a lazy ass right now. Manual labor and I go together like oil and water. 
Hogg, when you went to a wider stance and a hip/ass swuatter, how did that effect your leg size?
Hogg, when you went to a wider stance and a hip/ass swuatter, how did that effect your leg size?
Hogg
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Bob Smith said:
i developed chicken butt pretty good - big ass, high quad, big ham up near the ass, and not much around the base of the knee on either side.
Wonderful. So your legs look like inverted bowling pins.Hogg said:
Hogg
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Bob Smith said:Wonderful. So your legs look like inverted bowling pins.
Exactly, until you get to my calves, my knees look like that of a 115 pound shaved asian boy
Lol. So instead of inverted bowling pins, its more like an hour glass. I thought only chicks had hourglass shapes.
