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PHARMA TREN A ANDROID PHARMS TEST PRO
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No such thing as actual pharma tren a---- they have one site that says they carry a pharma tren a and alot of other human grade juice but their contact info has a safemail address so I stay clear.... What brand is your pharma tren a? 12 days in on prop and tren a - you should definitely be feeling something. You might double you test dose and see if that helps.. I tend to need to run test higher than tren. (Probably because I run test pretty high all year)
Vitlion
New Member
Tren is 5 times stronger than Testosterone .. Your dose of test. should be more than the tren
If you take 25 mg tren, take at least 100 mg test.
Give the testosterone the chance to do his job and you will feel the effect.
Actually you must feel the diff from the first week, tren and test p have a short half life 1-2 days
If you take 25 mg tren, take at least 100 mg test.
Give the testosterone the chance to do his job and you will feel the effect.
Actually you must feel the diff from the first week, tren and test p have a short half life 1-2 days
GoldenJ77
New Member
This isn't true at all in my opinion. Your test does not have to be higher than your tren dose by any means, a lot of guys actually prefer to run the test lower when running test and tren at the same time due to estrogenic side effects and water retention from testosterone. Tren does not aromatize and the gyno present from tren (if it happens to you) is due to hightened prolactin levels (which can be caused by hightened estrogen levels) therefore some still use an AI with trenbolone. Trenbolone can be used for both bulking and cutting cycles as it is arguably the most versatile steroid there is. It does have an androgenic and anabolic rating of 500 in both categories, compared to testosterone at 100 in both categories, but this does not necessarily mean the drug is 5x as powerful as testosterone. That's just not how the ranking system works. Halotestin is a prime example of this if you need to see an example of what I'm talking about but that's a conversation for a different time. Trenbolone generally comes in 2 different forms, or attached to two different kinds of esters. Acetate, and enanthate. Enanthate will take longer to "feel" as the half life of the molecule is longer than that of acetate. Acetate injections are generally EOD, or ED for advanced cycles. Enanthate is generally 2 times per week pinning. If you're using tren acetate I would say you should notice a difference in your training, mainly heightened strength. Side effects ARE NOT a good gage if something is working in my opinion, so if you say you don't feel anything because you haven't experienced the night sweats or dreams you read about, that's not a good way to tell if it's real. Just my opinion. Mainly going on this rant to say do a little research before you blindly take a junior members advice who doesn't really know what he's talking about. A simple google search really could have told you everything I just did. Be smart and safe with YOUR body. Don't let anyone else tell you how or what to do with it...
After all the reading I have done on Meso, it seems that low Test, high Tren seems to work better?
Depends on the goals.. For a strict cut, yes, I'd run higher tren than test in most situations. If you're looking to add lean mass, higher test is probably ideal. It really also depends on how much tren you're looking to run in the first place. I wouldn't worry too much about the ratios.
Vitlion
New Member
thanks for your comment , but if you read this post on Eroids may be you will change your opinion
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/trenbolone-how-to-destroy-a-myth.
Vitlion
New Member
if the link doesn't work so i will copy the post here.
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We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effectsTestosterone Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effectsTestosterone Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
In my opinion, your post doesn't even come close to matching what brothers report with sides. If your trying to say that Coughing, shortness of breath, loss of appetite, etc... are caused by abusing Testosterone, why didn't these sides happen while on Test alone? Many Tren users still get these sides with a low dose of Test. Many users of Tren start out with a higher dose of Test, but drop the dose down and still get the sides. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?
Vitlion
New Member
Tren side effects at that dose in 12 days depends on how many times in the week he takes Tren, ( ED, EOD ,or even once a week )..
We was talking about the result and how to build a perfect body, Tren alone is useless and to get its effect you must decide if you take it for lean bulk or cutting, so you must add other steroids ( anavar, winstrol, Dbol, equipoise) in your cycle depends on your plan, in this way you lead your body to achieve your goal.
Tren is in the same category as Deca but stronger than Deca and does not cause water retention.
I believe that test. is more muscle builder than tren. Test is the mother of all steroids, if your dose of tren is more than test, it covers on the effect of test, especially at the androgenic receptors, we take other steroids with test to help test. to reach the maximum of its effect, - without thinking, why do we put testosterone in every cycle ( whether bulking or cutting)?!
We was talking about the result and how to build a perfect body, Tren alone is useless and to get its effect you must decide if you take it for lean bulk or cutting, so you must add other steroids ( anavar, winstrol, Dbol, equipoise) in your cycle depends on your plan, in this way you lead your body to achieve your goal.
Tren is in the same category as Deca but stronger than Deca and does not cause water retention.
I believe that test. is more muscle builder than tren. Test is the mother of all steroids, if your dose of tren is more than test, it covers on the effect of test, especially at the androgenic receptors, we take other steroids with test to help test. to reach the maximum of its effect, - without thinking, why do we put testosterone in every cycle ( whether bulking or cutting)?!
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The higher you run the test the worse the sides will be, I make my own fina tren and around 600 a week tren with 300 test is my sweet spot.
If you are not sweating from that tren by week 2, I would say it isn't legit.
In the future use Anaboliclab to see if a source's gear is testing well. This way you have some information to go by. Some dumb motherfuckers, @AlphaLife should pay attention.
achilles87
New Member
Eroids lol. But anyway, I match my tren and test and do just fine with it. I get better results that way personally.
Read all you want, but the only way is trial and error... you have to try it and see what works for you.
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Read all you want, but the only way is trial and error... you have to try it and see what works for you.
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achilles87
New Member
I don't recall you saying anything about eroids, I also don't recall recommending any place to you?
But reading what you have posted I personally think you need to do a lot more research before you inject something you know nothing about.
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Joedoe
Banned
I just posted this in another thread....but I had their tren a. The same batch number tested at anabolic labs and I felt nothing at 700mg a week total shit. Also, their d bol at 60mg a day I had no pumps at all and felt no different.
I switched to fina tren and could barely handle 500mg a week.
I switched to fina tren and could barely handle 500mg a week.
