Pharmacom Experience

[Diego1580]

This is a open letter I posted:

Darius Postovski,
Subject: Validity of products.

Stats and history: Age: 50 5'10 205lbs. 12% B.F. Diet: 4000-4300 cal Clean Years of training: 25+ Anabolic Cycles: 15+ Tren E, Sust, Deca, Var, Premo, Test C, Test E, Dbol, Anadrol 50

Purchased: (3) Test Ethenate 300, (3)Tren Ethenate 200 and PCT
Weekly mg. : Test Ethenate 900mg Tren Ethenate 600mg Approaching 10 weeks.

Results: 3 lb. increase in weight. Slight drop in B.F. Minor increase in strength. This may be contributed to placebo effect or increase in training and diet.

Side Effects: No bloat, No night sweats, No acne, No testicular shrinkage or shutdown, No Hair loss, No increase in aggression, No increase in vascularity. Bad: Acid Reflux

Conclusion: Under dosed product. This is my opinion based on my body and my experiences with anabolics. I have many years experience and do not have to have blood work done or have products tested for compounds. Please use this information and draw your own conclusions based on my results.

Darius, I'm giving you this review because of my disappointment in Pharmacom. I'm not pinning this on you because all products were shipped from the "factory" not you. Your responses to my question were met with short delay and were always handled professionally. Shipment was also handled top notch. Unfortunately I have many years experience with anabolics and from the results I have gotten I have no choice but to feel the product was under dosed. I have seen your test results on certain products. I also have heard that many UG labs have had trouble with raws being substandard. I just want to make you aware of my feedback at this time. I hope to hear better things in the future from Pharmacom.

 

[E-rock]

no one will care of your opinion without any blood work to back up your claims, your many years of experience isn't really a good excuse to not post bloods when your putting a lab on blast like this. Not to mention your first post here on meso...

 

[Bundy55]

Post the bloods or this means nothing.

 

[Diego1580]

First let me say I respect your opinions about the blood results. I know I hold no credibility here on this board, nor do the two reply members know anything about me. I just was posting my results and opinions on the compounds I ran. MANY posts on this board are from experience and personal opinions and you should always be careful on how you digest that information.

But with that being said I feel you are being foolish to base facts on submitted paperwork results. If I was trying to destroy a labs credibility I would have forged the blood results to my favor. I think people put a lot of trust in lab results of tested compounds when the person submitting those results are the seller of the product or the testing lab of there choice. I'm not saying that ANYONE has counterfeited anything....all I'm saying is asking for blood results to prove a point is senseless in today's digital age when anything can be changed to benefit there agenda.

I have never said or recommended that you not use the lab in question. All I posted were my results in using those compounds. Please view the blood results that I took from someone else post. The first shows Test levels at 1500 High. The second result without putting any time in changing name, or other information for my behalf shows Test levels at 150. I hope you see my point and I only want people to receive what they pay for.

 

[Jeremiahflex]

First let me say I respect your opinions about the blood results. I know I hold no credibility here on this board, nor do the two reply members know anything about me. I just was posting my results and opinions on the compounds I ran. MANY posts on this board are from experience and personal opinions and you should always be careful on how you digest that information.

But with that being said I feel you are being foolish to base facts on submitted paperwork results. If I was trying to destroy a labs credibility I would have forged the blood results to my favor. I think people put a lot of trust in lab results of tested compounds when the person submitting those results are the seller of the product or the testing lab of there choice. I'm not saying that ANYONE has counterfeited anything....all I'm saying is asking for blood results to prove a point is senseless in today's digital age when anything can be changed to benefit there agenda.

I have never said or recommended that you not use the lab in question. All I posted were my results in using those compounds. Please view the blood results that I took from someone else post. The first shows Test levels at 1500 High. The second result without putting any time in changing name, or other information for my behalf shows Test levels at 150. I hope you see my point and I only want people to receive what they pay for.

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Hey man I hear where you coming from but blood results can help your case. Also bashing a lab on your very first post looks poor on your behalf. No bloods, no pics, new account, first post. All eluding to the fact you're full of shit or you're full of shit. You could be Odiem for all I know. But your resume of so many AAS cycles and no pic not even one to show how jacked you are from years of gear is kinda weird.

 

[mrdashdd]

1. What was your dosing each week for each compound?
2 . Were these your mid cycle bloods that you linked above or are these someone elses that you took?

All I posted were my results in using those compounds. Please view the blood results that I took from someone else post. The first shows Test levels at 1500 High. The second result without putting any time in changing name, or other information for my behalf shows Test levels at 150. I hope you see my point and I only want people to receive what they pay for.

 

[IronJulius]

the second is >150 which they may forgot to add the other 0

 

[Diego1580]

Test Ethenate 300 (300mg/ml) 1.5cc Mon/Thurs, (3)Tren Ethenate 200 (200mg/ml) 1.5cc Mon/Thurs.

That blood work was copied from someones post to prove a point that anyone can change paperwork.

 

[Diego1580]

@IronJulius The second one I changed to show how paperwork numbers can reflect anything you want. I didn't want to make this a huge deal.....I will no longer post opinions or results and everyone can educate themselves for the good or bad.

 

[Weedup]

And everyone can say/write whatever he wants.. it's a non ending argument ..

 

[Wunderpus]

I can't fucking listen to you try and come off an expert when you call it "ethenate" repeatedly.

/rant over.

 

[Wunderpus]

@IronJulius The second one I changed to show how paperwork numbers can reflect anything you want. I didn't want to make this a huge deal.....I will no longer post opinions or results and everyone can educate themselves for the good or bad.

^ Your best post yet, I like the direction you're heading in.

You come here with anecdotal "results", then show how easy it would be to LIE, if you were going to, to "destroy" a lab.

Not interested in defending or destroying Pcom, personally, but explain to me why they've mostly tested in range on all mass specs, but some nobody is having bad results?

 

[Diego1580]

^ Your best post yet, I like the direction you're heading in.

You come here with anecdotal "results", then show how easy it would be to LIE, if you were going to, to "destroy" a lab.

Not interested in defending or destroying Pcom, personally, but explain to me why they've mostly tested in range on all mass specs, but some nobody is having bad results?

Come off as an expert? Really? I stated a opinion on my results, simple as that. I really could care less if you feel my opinion is legitimate or not. I have no answer to why they have tested mostly in range but I can tell you I'm not the only one that has had negative results on certain compounds at certain times. And as far as saying you are not interested in defending nor destroying Pcom it sure sounds like defending to me. And I'm different than you, because you are entitled to your opinion, I will respect that, and take it for what it is worth.

 

[Wunderpus]

Come off as an expert? Really? I stated a opinion on my results, simple as that. I really could care less if you feel my opinion is legitimate or not. I have no answer to why they have tested mostly in range but I can tell you I'm not the only one that has had negative results on certain compounds at certain times. And as far as saying you are not interested in defending nor destroying Pcom it sure sounds like defending to me. And I'm different than you, because you are entitled to your opinion, I will respect that, and take it for what it is worth.

Now it's time to backtrack, yeah? You're selling yourself as QUITE the expert by talking about your alleged 25+ years of training and 15+ cycles.

I have no vested interest either way in Pcom. I don't have anything negative to say about them, either. Of course you're not the only one to have issues, that's fairly common in our world. Some are legitimate, some are not. I'm not defending them, at all really, solely pointing out that your first post really comes off as suspicious. You would be treated equally for praise, trust me.

We have become overly sensitized to particularly incredulous newbies rearing their heads here with "results" from labs, both good and bad. You then proceeding to explain how your could easily lie or forge the info seems even a fair bit MORE iffy.

 

[Diego1580]

Now it's time to backtrack, yeah? You're selling yourself as QUITE the expert by talking about your alleged 25+ years of training and 15+ cycles.

I have no vested interest either way in Pcom. I don't have anything negative to say about them, either. Of course you're not the only one to have issues, that's fairly common in our world. Some are legitimate, some are not. I'm not defending them, at all really, solely pointing out that your first post really comes off as suspicious. You would be treated equally for praise, trust me.

We have become overly sensitized to particularly incredulous newbies rearing their heads here with "results" from labs, both good and bad. You then proceeding to explain how your could easily lie or forge the info seems even a fair bit MORE iffy.

Fair enough. I do understand that. I truly tried to word my opinion in a fair and balanced way. I have also had good and bad experiences with other labs at different times. You are correct in saying that it is fairly common in our world. As far as showing how someone can "fake" blood work I can see how that would come off wrong and ruffle some feathers. I just wanted to make a point that having a community like Meso is important for those that truly love the lifting life. I feel that it is important to let people know the good and the bad when it happens and not to put so much faith in paperwork rather than the real people using the products.

I will continue to build the body I desire through education and hard training. I respect all those with knowledge concerning these subjects and I'm not one that doesn't believe he still has a lot to learn.

 

[Wunderpus]

Fair enough. I do understand that. I truly tried to word my opinion in a fair and balanced way. I have also had good and bad experiences with other labs at different times. You are correct in saying that it is fairly common in our world. As far as showing how someone can "fake" blood work I can see how that would come off wrong and ruffle some feathers. I just wanted to make a point that having a community like Meso is important for those that truly love the lifting life. I feel that it is important to let people know the good and the bad when it happens and not to put so much faith in paperwork rather than the real people using the products.

I will continue to build the body I desire through education and hard training. I respect all those with knowledge concerning these subjects and I'm not one that doesn't believe he still has a lot to learn.

My suggestion -assuming you have any oils left- is to send the vials in to be tested. I know Darius or Frank will pay for the testing, so that'll truly gauge how accurate your anecdotal "testing" is, yeah? Beyond that, there's not a whole lot else you can do...

 

[El new guy]

Well hello everyone, to be honest with you guys, the only reason I got an account in here is so I could ask about other peoples results with pharma. See I recently got test p and deca through a friend that came from pharma and it was legit. I went again and this time got test e and tren a. Never ran tren before so was doing 75 mg eod the first week. Didn't feel or see anything the first week so I figured it was bunk, so I started hitting 100mg ed and 300 mg test e, mon wed fri. Now mind you, this is only my first cycle. I was into my 10th week of test p and deca when I started the tren. I had all the veins ROCKIN and all that good stuff. So I guess what I'm getting at is, I too thought perhaps the tren may be under dosed or somthing. I know you don't judge your gear off the sides but you'd think I would've had some. I've researched the crap out of it, and some folk don't get side effects. I've also been creeping on this site for a few months reading peoples posts and what not. I agree with what the op says, I mean it's so easy to fake all that crap. You guys get so heated if someone disagrees or has a complaint I mean idk. To be honest I don't do social media or this forum stuff lol. I'm 40 years old and this is my first cycle lol I weighed 300 pounds two years ago got on trt got down to 207 then jumped on test n deca lol. Is the stuff good yeah!! Do I think there tren is weak/bunk kinda. But just because I'm "new" lol shouldn't make my opinion not valid. I know I'm all over the place but I don't really do this kinda stuff, I just like to watch!!! If I knew how to post pics I would lol. I will say tho Iv got A TON of useful info these boards so THX

 

[El new guy]

Also my first purchase was test c not test p. Haven't got to that level yet lol. Also, I know there stuff was good because like I said I had been on trt for six months before starting their stuff. So if it would've been crap I would have known for sure lol

 

[solidaxle50]

Your labs are from April, why did you wait this long for this open letter shit?

 

[Genghis K.]

Well hello everyone, to be honest with you guys, the only reason I got an account in here is so I could ask about other peoples results with pharma. See I recently got test p and deca through a friend that came from pharma and it was legit. I went again and this time got test e and tren a. Never ran tren before so was doing 75 mg eod the first week. Didn't feel or see anything the first week so I figured it was bunk, so I started hitting 100mg ed and 300 mg test e, mon wed fri. Now mind you, this is only my first cycle. I was into my 10th week of test p and deca when I started the tren. I had all the veins ROCKIN and all that good stuff. So I guess what I'm getting at is, I too thought perhaps the tren may be under dosed or somthing. I know you don't judge your gear off the sides but you'd think I would've had some. I've researched the crap out of it, and some folk don't get side effects. I've also been creeping on this site for a few months reading peoples posts and what not. I agree with what the op says, I mean it's so easy to fake all that crap. You guys get so heated if someone disagrees or has a complaint I mean idk. To be honest I don't do social media or this forum stuff lol. I'm 40 years old and this is my first cycle lol I weighed 300 pounds two years ago got on trt got down to 207 then jumped on test n deca lol. Is the stuff good yeah!! Do I think there tren is weak/bunk kinda. But just because I'm "new" lol shouldn't make my opinion not valid. I know I'm all over the place but I don't really do this kinda stuff, I just like to watch!!! If I knew how to post pics I would lol. I will say tho Iv got A TON of useful info these boards so THX

lol, great read, lol.