Pharmacom TEST C250 - blood results

[Wunderpus]

Okay, are you trying to use AAS as a form of enhancing your training or are you using testosterone as a form of HRT?

If it's the latter, 750mg's / week is fucking insane. Also, do not blast that high of a dose 1x a week, talk about fluctuation. This might explain the ludicrous e2.

You are an example of someone not doing their research before pinning. Come on man. I want you to be healthy and safe. This isn't the way to do it.

Are you taking an AI? 750mg's/ week is a hefty first cycle my man. Especially due to your aforementioned health issues.

The E2 is indicating to me that you did have high TT that converted to E2.

 

[nopanik]

You were pinning 3cc's 1 time a week? Why didn't you split it up?

I wasn't sure you could split CYP.

Today I learned more about what I am doing than the last 2 years!

 

[Wunderpus]

I wasn't sure you could split CYP.

Today I learned more about what I am doing than the last 2 years!

That is terrifying. You have learned more in a day of ridicule than 2 years of independent research?

 

[nopanik]

Okay, are you trying to use AAS as a form of enhancing your training or are you using testosterone as a form of HRT?

If it's the latter, 750mg's / week is fucking insane. Also, do not blast that high of a dose 1x a week, talk about fluctuation. This might explain the ludicrous e2.

You are an example of someone not doing their research before pinning. Come on man. I want you to be healthy and safe. This isn't the way to do it.

Are you taking an AI? 750mg's/ week is a hefty first cycle my man. Especially due to your aforementioned health issues.

The E2 is indicating to me that you did have high TT that converted to E2.

HRT. Insane... I feel a little insane... but I, now, understand that I am making mistakes and need to ask more questions then I have and just posting a blood test.

No, I am not taking any AI.

 

[alaskinassasin]

I wasn't sure you could split CYP.

Today I learned more about what I am doing than the last 2 years!

*FacePalm*

 

[Wunderpus]

Get an AI now. Get some nolvadex too, titties are heading your way at light speed. I would go back to a TRT regimen until you are better educated with AAS.

 

[rugerjitsu]

chalk it up as a lesson learned...wasn't trying to be a prick, but when you bang on a source, you want to have your shit together. And your shit is far from together.

 

[nopanik]

Get an AI now. Get some nolvadex too, titties are heading your way at light speed. I would go back to a TRT regimen until you are better educated with AAS.

I will.

 

[nopanik]

chalk it up as a lesson learned...wasn't trying to be a prick, but when you bang on a source, you want to have your shit together. And your shit is far from together.

You are right. I was going off how I felt physically. Which was still lethargic. But I most likely hurt the true blood results.

But what I see now is that, likely, I was trying to expect too much too soon and did not properly take the test cyp which possibly skewed the results.

I will post a link to this thread in the PharmacomStore – Pharmacom Labs Official Distributor - Darius thread, where I also posted my bloods and state that my results are most likely skewed due to the inexperience of the customer, me, @nopanik.

 

[Docd187123]

I am certainly not pimping any labs whatsoever, but man, you are all over the place with information about what and how much you were taking. It makes you look like a screwball at the least.



Last time i checked, 250 + 300 = 550, not 750. The thing is, i don't know who the fuck would do that amount or why. Seems like an odd draw. I also don't see someone doing 3 ccs in one spot, once a week. That seems a little screwy. I'm all getting pissed about bad lab reports, but your whole story seems shaky to me. Add to this the fact you have very few posts and come in to drop a bomb on someone...well, i guess that could happen, but don't you think it looks a little suspect? Maybe i'm just prone to be cynical of everything i read on the internet, but i personally would not bury someone just on the basis of your story, but that's just me.

I've done over 3cc in a single spot once a week but I prefer once a week pinning. I agree with your post though.

 

[rugerjitsu]

You are right. I was going off how I felt physically. Which was still lethargic. But I most likely hurt the true blood results.

But what I see now is that, likely, I was trying to expect too much too soon and did not properly take the test cyp which possibly skewed the results.

I will post a link to this thread in the PharmacomStore – Pharmacom Labs Official Distributor - Darius thread, where I also posted my bloods and state that my results are most likely skewed due to the inexperience of the customer, me, @nopanik.

Good call...

Do you have any clomid or nolvadex? Let's get your shit together, and do it right the next time...you'll be amazed at what a proper dosing schedule will do for you. 750mg/wk is crazy for what you're needing...guys here can get you set up to where you're feeling 10 years younger in no time, with much lower dosages.

 

[nopanik]

No, I don't have any clomid or nolvadex. Thanks for the info.

Looking forward to getting familiar with good advice and better dosing schedule!

Thanks @rugerjitsu , I would love to feel like I was just 42 and I am 42. LOL, but true. The severe sleep apnea is the big issue with me. Most days I feel like every muscle is burning.

Thanks

 

[rugerjitsu]

In that case, I would drop your dose down to .5ml every 3 days...mark your calendar ahead of time, so you don't forget your pinning dates. 100mg every 3 days should get your levels nice and stable (assuming your gear is good). Work on finding some clomid and nolvadex if you plan on taking time off the juice.

 

[Wunderpus]

No, I don't have any clomid or nolvadex. Thanks for the info.

Looking forward to getting familiar with good advice and better dosing schedule!

Thanks @rugerjitsu , I would love to feel like I was just 42 and I am 42. LOL, but true. The severe sleep apnea is the big issue with me. Most days I feel like every muscle is burning.

Thanks

No clomid if you're on trt!!!!

 

[vgc]

I'm 42yo 5' 9" 195lbs with a 34" waist. I need to find out more about everything you said regarding all the other readings in the bloodwork.

I'll find a blood test from last year done by the VA to compare. I'll post it tomorrow and look forward to what anyone thinks.

I'm trying to add to the boards discussion and all the criticism is understood. I totally blew it with my initial mistakes.

The bloods say that you have too many red blood cells, and your estrogen is way too high. Have you been keeping tabs on your blood pressure? If not, I'd check it ASAP. Your estrogen and red blood cell levels being so high suggest that your testosterone levels were also much higher at some point, which is why some members (myself included) were skeptical about this being only 48 hours after injection.

 

[vgc]

PS: High testosterone and sleep apnea don't go well together. There are concerns about worsening sleep apnea for guys on normal TRT doses.

 

[zombie]

Not to get on you about all the confusing posts, I think that has been pretty well covered. Just some advice if feeling normal is what you are after. First off I would talk to your Doctor at the VA and see if he will change your script to a weekly shot, hopefully at .5 ml(100 mg) to start. Most doctors are very conservative with dosing. The every 2 week injection used to be the standard injection protocol. This sets you up for a roller coaster ride with your hormones. Stable levels are better.

Go read all the stickies in the men’s health forum. Dr. Scally is very knowledgeable. Read the forum posts and learn as much as you can. In today’s day and age we are responsible for our own health. Between all the forums and articles on the net there is no reason for you to put blind trust in your Doctor’s opinion. The better informed you are the better treatment you can get from your Doctor. If your doctor is set in his ways find a new one. This is your health and well-being not his. Medicine is not one size fits all.

I think most importantly don’t use a UGL for TRT. The variability of products will make getting yourself dialed in next to impossible. If your Doctor is not on board from a health perspective it is imperative to find a new one. When you are trying to find what makes you feel best more is not always better. Your E2 being 62 can counter all the benefits of Testosterone replacement and left unchecked can lead to a host of other problems.

Get your sleep apnea in check. Research has shown that sleep apnea can cause/contribute to low testosterone levels. The catch 22 is testosterone replacement can contribute to sleep apnea. Sleep apnea also causes a rise in hematocrit. Testosterone replacement can cause a rise in hematocrit. So you have a double whammy there. As you get older there is a greater response to elevated hematocrit from testosterone. Elevated hematocrit can lead to stroke because your blood becomes more viscous. Other factors for elevated hematocrit could be blood iron levels (possible hemochromatosis) smoking and living at elevation.

I can’t agree with the statements about your hematocrit being high for a TRT dose. I am particularly sensitive to hematocrit elevations. When I first started TRT after 6 weeks my hematocrit jumped to 57 and I started doing blood donations. I tried doing donations every 56 days and my hematocrit stayed between 55 and 57. I ultimately got a script for therapeutic phlebotomy. With phlebotomies that often you can drive your iron to low. There is a balance that is hard to find. Generally I have to do 2 monthly phlebotomies to get my hematocrit down, and then I can go a while of phlebotomies every 2 months. I’ve tanked my iron a few times, talk about feeling tired. I plan on buying a hemoglobin meter to better dial in when I need to do phlebotomies.

Best of luck to you

 

[Ngtmarpete]

You were pinning 3cc's 1 time a week? Why didn't you split it up?

Hmmm.

As far as selective scamming, I doubt it. How could they have known the anabolicslab testing was going to occur? Crystal ball?

For the last year I have heard nothing but bad things about Pharmacon, namely the selective scamming. Not saying anything about the Anabolics Lab test, but that kind of reputation is hard to live down.

I just know I would never buy from them.

 

[Mofotyler]

For the last year I have heard nothing but bad things about Pharmacon, namely the selective scamming. Not saying anything about the Anabolics Lab test, but that kind of reputation is hard to live down.

I just know I would never buy from them.

Well I will say that other than some dbol complaints. It wasn't to bad then a bad blood showed up. Shit hit the fan in a hurry. Now starting to see some people just jumped on the bandwagon. Other look like they are trying to scam for free shit. Could have 10 good bloods only takes 1 to cause a riot. I would say within a month or so the true colors will show.

 

[nopanik]

@rugerjitsu -- I'll go to the 0.5ml every 3 days for a 100mg/wk run and I'll find some nolvadex and research that more on the board.

@Wunderpus - No clomid... understood.

@zombie Thanks for the great post and I will pay attention to the hematocrit issue too. Appreciate the info on the sleep apnea vs TRT trade offs... those points are my understanding as well.