Pharmacom test e bloods

[bhog]

Here's my pre cycle bloods and 5 weeks in. Labs taken 26-27 hrs after pin , I had eaten a large breakfast.

600 mg test e 300 split into 2 pins.
.25 adex every other day

I had planned on getting bloods done week 6 but I had a crazy project that I couldn't get away for sure from so got them week 5.

 

[Bigtack]

Thanks for posting your results man.

 

[Mr.B66]

Almost 4000 ... Not bad ! Thanks for your contribution bhog[emoji106]

 

[Budtastic]

Is it from Frank or Darius?

 

[bhog]

Is it from Frank or Darius?

Frank

 

[mkulltra58]

Is the adex from pharmacom also?

 

[bhog]

Is the adex from pharmacom also?

Yes

 

[mkulltra58]

Yes

Thanks for posting results. I believe their adex to be underdosed at best. There should really be a push for them to stop selling it or fix it.

 

[bhog]

Thanks for posting results. I believe their adex to be underdosed at best. There should really be a push for them to stop selling it or fix it.

I didn't think my E number was too bad although I'll be upping when I start dbol. Some is probably from me trying to cut those little bastards into 4 , but you may be correct.

 

[BuiltBig]

Those are great numbers bro! Glad to see pharmacoms doing well!

 

[Docd187123]

Thanks for posting results. I believe their adex to be underdosed at best. There should really be a push for them to stop selling it or fix it.

This is the second time you've stated this without any hard data to back it up. How can you come here and claim you want them to stop selling a product that you believe is underdosed bc of your feelings?

 

[mkulltra58]

This is the second time you've stated this without any hard data to back it up. How can you come here and claim you want them to stop selling a product that you believe is underdosed bc of your feelings?

Because I've seen a bunch of different blood work where estrogen was high on pharmacom adex and a few that used pharmacy grade before at the same dose would keep e2 in range. As far as my personal experience, I have gyno flare ups and have used both the same dose of pharmacy and pharmacom. When I switch from pharmacy to pharmacom, the gyno flares up.

The only other proof that would backup my opinion is mass spec maybe. Maybe a pharmacom rep would be willing to do this to backup their product??

 

[Docd187123]

Because I've seen a bunch of different blood work where estrogen was high on pharmacom adex and a few that used pharmacy grade before at the same dose would keep e2 in range. As far as my personal experience, I have gyno flare ups and have used both the same dose of pharmacy and pharmacom. When I switch from pharmacy to pharmacom, the gyno flares up.

The only other proof that would backup my opinion is mass spec maybe. Maybe a pharmacom rep would be willing to do this to backup their product??

A different vial of AAS, a different source, etc can make all the difference in the world. It might not be the adex but the other stuff.

By gyno flare ups I'm assuming you mean itchy or sore nipples? If so those can be sides of gyno but they could be due to any other number of reasons as well.

How often do you switch adex from pharmacy to Pharmacom? You're just under 6wks or so into your first cycle aren't you? Adex's half life is roughly 2days. To fully be out of your system it requires 5 half lives to pass so 10 days or so total. If you want an accurate comparison of the two you need to wait until steady state levels are reached with one, get bloods, stop the first and start dosing the second, wait until steady state is achieved with the second which will be enough time for the first to be fully metabolized and excreted, then test again. Anything less is pure speculation.

 

[mkulltra58]

A different vial of AAS, a different source, etc can make all the difference in the world. It might not be the adex but the other stuff.

By gyno flare ups I'm assuming you mean itchy or sore nipples? If so those can be sides of gyno but they could be due to any other number of reasons as well.

How often do you switch adex from pharmacy to Pharmacom? You're just under 6wks or so into your first cycle aren't you? Adex's half life is roughly 2days. To fully be out of your system it requires 5 half lives to pass so 10 days or so total. If you want an accurate comparison of the two you need to wait until steady state levels are reached with one, get bloods, stop the first and start dosing the second, wait until steady state is achieved with the second which will be enough time for the first to be fully metabolized and excreted, then test again. Anything less is pure speculation.

This is a real stretch to try and defend your position. I shared my opinion based on own personal experience and other evidence I've seen. If you want to stop taking an AI while on cycle for 10 days and do multiple blood test to prove my experience and opinion wrong, then knock yourself out.

However, if enough people share their experience with the same problem, don't you think it is more likely that there is a problem with the product than everyone being wrong?? The same way witnesses are used in jury trials. You don't need to have DNA evidence or scientific proof to have an opinion.

 

[strongsafety41]

This is a real stretch to try and defend your position. I shared my opinion based on own personal experience and other evidence I've seen. If you want to stop taking an AI while on cycle for 10 days and do multiple blood test to prove my experience and opinion wrong, then knock yourself out.

However, if enough people share their experience with the same problem, don't you think it is more likely that there is a problem with the product than everyone being wrong?? The same way witnesses are used in jury trials. You don't need to have DNA evidence or scientific proof to have an opinion.

I dont think doc is implying to stop taking an AI all together. More likely to:

1. Draw labs after reached supplier 1 AI SS
2. Stop/switch from supplier 1 AI
3. Start supplier 2 AI (no lapse)
4. Using the same dosage/protocol for both
Redraw labs when bloods have reached SS
5. Compare data

 

[mkulltra58]

I dont think doc is implying to stop taking an AI all together. More likely to:

1. Draw labs after reached supplier 1 AI SS
2. Stop/switch from supplier 1 AI
3. Start supplier 2 AI (no lapse)
4. Using the same dosage/protocol for both
Redraw labs when bloods have reached SS
5. Compare data

Either way, I've already reached steady state on both before. No gyno issues on pharmacy, gyno on pharmacom. It all doesn't matter though and I just won't use pharmacom adex anymore.

I have only shared my personal experience and opinion on the topic. Never claimed to scientifically know whether it's underdosed or not. I just stated that I would like to see, with so many people having a problem with their adex, that something be done about it. Whether that is they prove the effectiveness of their product, fix a known problem, or stop selling it all together.

 

[bhog]

I've not had any gyno problems. Nips may get harder more often but I didn't really pay attention to them till I started this cycle.
Is 49 a bad number? I figured it was acceptable but it's my first cycle.

 

[strongsafety41]

Either way, I've already reached steady state on both before. No gyno issues on pharmacy, gyno on pharmacom. It all doesn't matter though and I just won't use pharmacom adex anymore.

I have only shared my personal experience and opinion on the topic. Never claimed to scientifically know whether it's underdosed or not. I just stated that I would like to see, with so many people having a problem with their adex, that something be done about it. Whether that is they prove the effectiveness of their product, fix a known problem, or stop selling it all together.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I've used their Adex before. I can say I need less pharma than pharmacom Adex while cycling. I hear you on the personal experience. It's just that here, "scientific" proof is needed to drive change. But our personal experience does bring awareness to the situation.

 

[mkulltra58]

I've not had any gyno problems. Nips may get harder more often but I didn't really pay attention to them till I started this cycle.
Is 49 a bad number? I figured it was acceptable but it's my first cycle.

You are above the reference range for normal levels in men. Not everybody is prone to obvious symptoms.

 

[bhog]

You are above the reference range for normal levels in men. Not everybody is prone to obvious symptoms.

Thanks man. I'll look into upping it.