PHARMASUST 250 Bloodwork

Camejtin

New Member
Hello!

I've been on TRT for many years (200mg/weekly, 2x100mg), and for convenience reasons, i've been using pharmasust 250 directly purshased from basicstero for many years (arround 4).

Usually what I do it's every 6 months or so, I do a total testosterone analysis, injecting 200mg 48h before bloodwork, normally, it looks like what you can see on PDF 1 (i have many of them if anyone wants to see, usually ranges between 15 and 22ng/mL).

But today, I got the results from one made yesterday 9 feb (I injected 200mg like I always do for bloodworks, 48h before). Results are what you can see on PDF 2.

Check code is: v7j7Bg9A7x
These ampoules were purchased arround July 2020

Will also send these ampoules to a lab for an HPLC analysis to see what's going on, so will update when i have them (they take like 1 month to deliver results).

Greetings.
 
Blood work not always shows values we expect due to numerous factors. I mentioned several times. There could be default reference limits at some particular lab and extended research could be needed, which is not done by default due to extra efforts required. It could be influenced by some endogenous causes in your body/liver. But ok, let`s remember these results.

We, Pharmacom Labs was always for qualitative testing.HPLC analysis is exactly what is required in this case. We do completely support your decision.
The only ask I have is please ask this lab to make a photo of the ampule before they open it, so we all could see it came untouched. Also I very hope this lab will provide also extended raw data, not just final report. It is relevant and important.

in our ordering terms we ourselves actually offer this way of checking doubtful products.
 
I agree we would need some verifiable data to have any meaningful discussion about product quality. Blood work does not mean much to anyone other than the specific individual for his or her own health monitoring and adjustments. Everyone varies greatly in how they metabolize compounds (including the same individual with the same dosage at different times especially if other factors such as body composition and age have changed) AND of course no one has any way to know for sure what someone actually used, if anything, or how they used it.

Please, let me be clear, everyone should be getting their pre-, mid/intra-, and post cycle bloodwork to assess their responses and make necessary adjustments as a responsible and health conscious user.
Bloodwork is VERY important to the user for his or her own health monitoring and to dial in ancillaries etc.

But as for being used to analyze a drug, it is nearly useless; this is because each of us metabolize drugs so differently -- the same dosage can yield drastically different values between one person to another.
Even the same individual, at different moments in time, will have greatly varied responses to a given drug (or even food).
For example, we all see one guy can take 600 mg of test-e and not even need an AI, while another may have E2 skyrocket on simply TRT dosages; likewise, one may get a total T of 3000 and one maybe get 1400 from the same dosage etc.
A few years ago my Estrogen was very high on 600mg of test (even TRT dosages gave me Estrogen issues), but now I can run that much without even needing an AI and actually have low E2 sometimes (the most notable difference is my body composition is much leaner now than it was years ago).

With all that said, the most obvious reason bloodwork in useless in term of verifying product quality is because it can NOT show you actual compounds present nor the actual concentrations.
Bloodwork cannot show you impurities etc.
It is simply inconclusive and varies so greatly that is has no value and an analytic method.

HPLC, GC, and MS are the way to determine product quality.

Please consider getting HPLC testing done on a new (unopened never used) product and have the analysis done by an accredited 3rd party analytic lab (with verifiable results).

⬇️Here is some of the information regarding testing I find on the source's site:

"Any and all questions regarding the entire testing procedure, testing expenses, payment details, and all other aspects of this process are to be discussed and agreed upon individually via e-mail."
Code:
https://int.basicstero.ws/index/contact

"a customer is authorized to choose any certified lab of his or her own choice that meet the two mandatory conditions listed below (these conditions are necessary to ensure that the analysis results are as trustworthy and reliable as possible for all partied involved):

I. Only brand new untouched/unopened items (vials/ampoules/pills) are eligible to be sent for testing. Therefore, we can only guarantee the quality of unopened items only because after an item is opened its contents, purity, and composition are no longer under our exclusive control.

II. The lab chosen should correspond to all respective testing standards. Each test report should have an individual verifiable report number so that any person can contact the lab to verify the report to confirm the result was not forged.

If a customer decides to take advantage of the option to send a sample to a certified laboratory of his or her choice and meets the terms listed, he or she is required to inform us about this in advance, provide the ORDER NUMBER which contained the product in question, and provide photos of the item in question. Basicstero.ws is bound by these terms to replace to the customer the item sent for testing independent on whether the final result will be positive or negative. Furthermore, if the lab report shows a negative result and some considerable deviations are found, Basicstero.ws will completely cover all testing expenses and provide to the customer a bonus for all inconvenience caused. However, if the report shows a positive result and no significant deviations are found, the customer will be required to cover all testing expenses, but he or she still gets a replacement for the item that was sent to be tested.

IMPORTANT: Deviations within +/- 10% from concentration stated on the label are permissible. Therefore, if the product in question is found to be within +/- 10% of Pharmacom’s advertised concentration it is considered a positive good result.
Code:
https://int.basicstero.ws/index/terms

For more information about contacting Basicstero please see the quote posted below:
Tip/Advice for Everyone: How to Contact the Source Directly

For specific account and order related inquiries please use the "Contact Us" form on the Basicstero website for the most direct and efficient communication with the company's customer service.
Code:
 https://int.basicstero.ws/index/contact

***Be sure to check your Spam Folder after contacting customer service because in the past some people complain they did not get a reply when in fact their email service filtered the reply to spam.

Board reps, posts, even PMs are not as efficient nor direct - may get overlooked or take time to be relayed to the appropriate personnel.
This is a big World-Wide company; Reps/PR/Marketing people are mostly busy relaying information/news/announcements and may not even have the ability, access, nor authority to see private account and order information.
(it is a good thing though, that the company only allows specific person ability to access private info for customer security reasons :) ).
Also, please, for your own safety never state any personal information in a public post.


The "Contact Us" form on the Basicstero website is the most direct form of communication regarding accounts and orders.

NOTE regarding tracking (which is a common inquiry I see daily across various boards and PMs):
In my experience, usually tracking is NOT uploaded until a pack leaves the warehouse country and passes outgoing (origin nation's) customs.
In my opinion this usually takes approx a couple weeks for intl packs.
Please be patient and try not to ask customer service for tracking info -- tracking will be uploaded to your dashboard when it is available and authorized to be given out (the source does not authorize it to be given out until a point, such as when it passes outgoing customs, when the source feels it is safe from the source's warehouse, staff, and mailers).

A source has no control over the postal service nor if packs are accurately scanned/updated within the postal system (once the pack is shipped, a source can only see what tracking shows you -- just like if/when you mail something to someone).
Keep in mind you can check the status of your order on the Basicstero site by loging into the warehouse where you placed the order and navigating to your
dashboard >> orders >> select the order you would like to see.
IF tracking has been uploaded to your account it will appear there in the order details section.

When contacting the source, please provide your order number and please have verifiable evidence if you are making any claims such as a lost or damaged pack (evidence would including a video of opening the sealed pack to show the condition of contents upon arrival or tracking status or seizure letter to show a pack is lost etc.).

I hope these tips and information are helpful :)

I hope some of this info may help.
 
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I agree we would need some verifiable data to have any meaningful discussion about product quality. Blood work does not mean much to anyone other than the specific individual for his or her own health monitoring and adjustments. Everyone varies greatly in how they metabolize compounds (including the same individual with the same dosage at different times especially if other factors such as body composition and age have changed) AND of course no one has any way to know for sure what someone actually used, if anything, or how they used it.

Please, let me be clear, everyone should be getting their pre-, mid/intra-, and post cycle bloodwork to assess their responses and make necessary adjustments as a responsible and health conscious user.
Bloodwork is VERY important to the user for his or her own health monitoring and to dial in ancillaries etc.

But as for being used to analyze a drug, it is nearly useless; this is because each of us metabolize drugs so differently -- the same dosage can yield drastically different values between one person to another.
Even the same individual, at different moments in time, will have greatly varied responses to a given drug (or even food).
For example, we all see one guy can take 600 mg of test-e and not even need an AI, while another may have E2 skyrocket on simply TRT dosages; likewise, one may get a total T of 3000 and one maybe get 1400 from the same dosage etc.
A few years ago my Estrogen was very high on 600mg of test (even TRT dosages gave me Estrogen issues), but now I can run that much without even needing an AI and actually have low E2 sometimes (the most notable difference is my body composition is much leaner now than it was years ago).

With all that said, the most obvious reason bloodwork in useless in term of verifying product quality is because it can NOT show you actual compounds present nor the actual concentrations.
Bloodwork cannot show you impurities etc.
It is simply inconclusive and varies so greatly that is has no value and an analytic method.

HPLC, GC, and MS are the way to determine product quality.

Please consider getting HPLC testing done on a new (unopened never used) product and have the analysis done by an accredited 3rd party analytic lab (with verifiable results).

⬇️Here is some of the information regarding testing I find on the source's site:

"Any and all questions regarding the entire testing procedure, testing expenses, payment details, and all other aspects of this process are to be discussed and agreed upon individually via e-mail."
Code:
https://int.basicstero.ws/index/contact

"a customer is authorized to choose any certified lab of his or her own choice that meet the two mandatory conditions listed below (these conditions are necessary to ensure that the analysis results are as trustworthy and reliable as possible for all partied involved):

I. Only brand new untouched/unopened items (vials/ampoules/pills) are eligible to be sent for testing. Therefore, we can only guarantee the quality of unopened items only because after an item is opened its contents, purity, and composition are no longer under our exclusive control.

II. The lab chosen should correspond to all respective testing standards. Each test report should have an individual verifiable report number so that any person can contact the lab to verify the report to confirm the result was not forged.

If a customer decides to take advantage of the option to send a sample to a certified laboratory of his or her choice and meets the terms listed, he or she is required to inform us about this in advance, provide the ORDER NUMBER which contained the product in question, and provide photos of the item in question. Basicstero.ws is bound by these terms to replace to the customer the item sent for testing independent on whether the final result will be positive or negative. Furthermore, if the lab report shows a negative result and some considerable deviations are found, Basicstero.ws will completely cover all testing expenses and provide to the customer a bonus for all inconvenience caused. However, if the report shows a positive result and no significant deviations are found, the customer will be required to cover all testing expenses, but he or she still gets a replacement for the item that was sent to be tested.

IMPORTANT: Deviations within +/- 10% from concentration stated on the label are permissible. Therefore, if the product in question is found to be within +/- 10% of Pharmacom’s advertised concentration it is considered a positive good result.
Code:
https://int.basicstero.ws/index/terms

For more information about contacting Basicstero please see the quote posted below:


I hope some of this info may help.

Thanks you for the reply.

Just sent today those sustanon samples + primobolan to Janoshik for analysis, will post them as soon as I have the results.

Greetings.
 
Hey bud,
I'm not a big proponent of bloods for checking testosterone quality, but those numbers on your current testing were really bad.

But more importantly, your two files that you uploaded have your personal information in them.

You should have @Millard delete them and then you could reupload then after your personal information is removed.

Hope this works out alright for you. Good luck.
 
Hey bud,
I'm not a big proponent of bloods for checking testosterone quality, but those numbers on your current testing were really bad.

But more importantly, your two files that you uploaded have your personal information in them.

You should have @Millard Baker delete them and then you could reupload then after your personal information is removed.

Hope this works out alright for you. Good luck.
Hello!

Thanks you very much!, but if it's for some forum rule ok; anything else, I don't care about my personal information being arround, that's why I didn't delete it (I purposedly left them).

Did another bloodwork later with another batch and using a full ampoule (250mg) and got 13ng/mL, had also arround 10 athletes doing the same with pharmasust and some got exactly the same results, while others got ~25-30ng/mL, depending on when they got them.

As soon as I have the results from Jano, I will post them.

Have a nice day! :)
 
Sounds good, bud. Also sounds like you probably got a really underdosed batch of test. I will be paying attention to how this turns out. Take care and stay safe, bud.
 
Hello!

Just got the test results, everything was on point

Greetings!View attachment 143804

@Camejtin thank you for following up and sharing these results.
As i mentioned, bloodwork is not an analytic method to determine product quality (it is very important for monitoring health and indiviudal responce); therefore it is greatly appreciated that you took the time to get this additional data.
 
Plus sustanon is probably the hardest of the testosterone based oils to get “good” blood readings...in other words it is much harder to understand where your test levels “should” be compared to test c or test e because of the mix of esters.
 
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