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BigBird183 said:
I just want to say that coming in, I didn't expect this type of brotherhood in regards to samples and integrity of members in not taking them. Makes perfect sense and its real cool to see people put their own personal gain aside for the good of all the bros.
Very cool guys. I'm impressed.
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You know, there was a member or two at Evo that didn't take free samples for these reasons too. Were you aware of this? Just curious.
 
insertnamehere said:
You know, there was a member or two at Evo that didn't take free samples for these reasons too. Were you aware of this? Just curious.
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Yes I am, however as a general practice, it wasn't the same at all. It was really common practice for most there to accept. But yes I am aware, and funny, but the first few that come to mind are here as well.
 
BigBird183 said:
Yes I am, however as a general practice, it wasn't the same at all. It was really common practice for most there to accept. But yes I am aware, and funny, but the first few that come to mind are here as well.
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No it certainly wasn't a common practice. Moreover, it was an utterly frustrating en devour to pursue. SL comes to mind...
 
I'm sure, particularly after seeing things here, was it frustrating. I wouldn't really know how common it was, as far as averages or whatever, but you know that there were lots of samples going out over there bro. Every new lab that came just about, would give them out. And they got accepted, so that's what I meant by common.
 
SL was a real piece of work. I saw he tried here as well. I can't believe that I didn't see him for what he was though. Should have done the math on his prices, like everyone else. K called that shit though.
 
BigBird183 said:
SL was a real piece of work. I saw he tried here as well. I can't believe that I didn't see him for what he was though. Should have done the math on his prices, like everyone else. K called that shit though.
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Why is that? I mean, why were you not able to see him for what he was? It was plain as day.

If you remember, I was on his ass from day one and never stopped until just before he scammed everyone - I took a break from the board out of frustration just before he scammed, due to the mounting fan boys against me.

Remember the threats he made to Krazie near the end?
 
Honestly, I think it was BC he had a good personality so I wanted to give him a shot. So I did and he delivered good shit a few times. I've still got it, need to throw that shit away. But I knew several other guys drinking it up too, so there was some mutual reinforcement. Once he stopped responding fast and shit I did the math on his prices and could see shit looking bad then. But idk really, stupid in retrospect not to see it.
And yeah. Didn't he fucking threaten to put the cops on Krazie?
 
BigBird183 said:
Honestly, I think it was BC he had a good personality so I wanted to give him a shot. So I did and he delivered good shit a few times. I've still got it, need to throw that shit away. But I knew several other guys drinking it up too, so there was some mutual reinforcement. Once he stopped responding fast and shit I did the math on his prices and could see shit looking bad then. But idk really, stupid in retrospect not to see it.
And yeah. Didn't he fucking threaten to put the cops on Krazie?
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Yes he did. Do you remember what the response was from everyone including you and casca?
 
BigBird183 said:
Mmm, I dismissed it as hothead talk most likely, bit honestly don't remember commenting on it. Remind me.
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That pretty much sums it up - it was dismissed.

Hotheaded or not, those threats were specific and could have endangered many people if they were carried out. The fact that you, casca, and others wanted to sweep it under the rug really struck a chord with me. Threats like that should not be tolerated, from anyone.

Here's what I think:

You and casca received freebies from SL to try it out. You received extras when you made orders. You may have even received a credit for referring people, as SL did have a referral program. These gifts essentially bought you off.

You two went from cynics and skeptics in the beginning, seeing SL for what he was, to, "he seems like a good guy". Nothing had changed about SL in the open forum so what made you change your mind?

Especially towards the end, anytime I would get on SL, there you and casca were to help him.

Go ahead, tell me that you and casca didn't have a change of tune all of a sudden and that you didn't defend SL up until the end.

Which, incidentally, is most likely why you two also were a huge part of trying to make everyone whole when SL split. You felt guilty.
 
Well I'll tell you for sure that I did feel guilty for positively reviewing him. I actually openly apologized before we got the replacement thing going.
In regards to extras or referral goods.or whatever, I can't say what someone else got although I strongly suspect it was the same as me. What was paid for. Now, the prices were cheap. I got 50ml Tren A for like 120 bucks or something. But I was a paying customer bro, nothing more.
As I said, his personality won him too many points in retrospect, and I'm guilty of beginning to think him a decent guy because of it.
And as far as "defending him", well I wouldn't say that. I would term it not jumping to conclusions. Maybe I said something I don't recall, but I don't make it my practice to defend sources I don't know well, so it just seems off.
And yes those threats never should have flown. We should have run his ass off right then. Hindsight everything is clearer, but I learned a few things through that. Won't happen again.
 
BigBird183 said:
Well I'll tell you for sure that I did feel guilty for positively reviewing him. I actually openly apologized before we got the replacement thing going.
In regards to extras or referral goods.or whatever, I can't say what someone else got although I strongly suspect it was the same as me. What was paid for. Now, the prices were cheap. I got 50ml Tren A for like 120 bucks or something. But I was a paying customer bro, nothing more.
As I said, his personality won him too many points in retrospect, and I'm guilty of beginning to think him a decent guy because of it.
And as far as "defending him", well I wouldn't say that. I would term it not jumping to conclusions. Maybe I said something I don't recall, but I don't make it my practice to defend sources I don't know well, so it just seems off.
And yes those threats never should have flown. We should have run his ass off right then. Hindsight everything is clearer, but I learned a few things through that. Won't happen again.
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Fair enough.
 
insertnamehere said:
That pretty much sums it up - it was dismissed.

Hotheaded or not, those threats were specific and could have endangered many people if they were carried out. The fact that you, casca, and others wanted to sweep it under the rug really struck a chord with me. Threats like that should not be tolerated, from anyone.

Here's what I think:

You and casca received freebies from SL to try it out. You received extras when you made orders. You may have even received a credit for referring people, as SL did have a referral program. These gifts essentially bought you off.

You two went from cynics and skeptics in the beginning, seeing SL for what he was, to, "he seems like a good guy". Nothing had changed about SL in the open forum so what made you change your mind?

Especially towards the end, anytime I would get on SL, there you and casca were to help him.

Go ahead, tell me that you and casca didn't have a change of tune all of a sudden and that you didn't defend SL up until the end.

Which, incidentally, is most likely why you two also were a huge part of trying to make everyone whole when SL split. You felt guilty.
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Can I add one thing.

Or maybe two.

Casca and bb did receive their orders from SL. And they were happy. I told members no way watch out this will go bad just like you did. At that I was on my own plus a rep not bb. And I said mark my words this guy will scam you all I did receive heat from casca and some others saying I was a source being competitive. And I said thats not why I'm saying this.

I ended up being right.

I then offered to help those guys. And I will do what I can to make you whole.

Casca and bb both saw that maybe they trusted the guy to easy. Both asked to help in ways they could. Casca put up a nice chunk of funds to help the cause of his own offering because he is a stand up dude.

Bb pm Me and we talked and he said he appreciated what I was doing and wanted to help. He handled all biz related to it. And also l, had a great organizational plan. I ordered the raws and we went to work. He did all the verifying of receipts and proof they were scammed and kept track of it all.

He did and outstanding job. And after that I decided to have a second rep. And put it out there as I was looking. Many wanted to be it and I saw that bb asked to be considered and it was an instant and easy choice. The guy has what it takes to be the customer service and front man of ANY organization and I feel lucky to have him
 
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