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Phytoestrogens in soy
- Thread starter robertin75
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Some use the same bottle repeatedly refilling it in the hopes that chemicals are washed out early in use amd not as present in later usages.
DavidZ said:Prot and others, thanks for the info. I've stopped using plastic glasses and cups around my house. Also, I've cut soy out of my diet.
Anyone have a good alternative for plastic water bottles? I like carry them around with me to stay hydrated.
Some use the same bottle repeatedly refilling it in the hopes that chemicals are washed out early in use amd not as present in later usages.
Hopefully the fact that the most recent study showing that infant birth defects can occur as a result of normal environmental exposure to phylates, and that the mainstream media has picked up on it will be the wake-up call that Congress needs to go after the plastic industry and make them clean up their act. It will probably take a long time, but it could happen. At this point, probably the best thing those of us who reside in the US can do is write letters to our congressmen/senators and ask them to study the problem further. They are already banned in Europe. Maybe phylates will be the asbestos of the future - gone!
I drink a lot of water I use a Gatoraide 24 oz bottle and wash it with Palmolive dish soup. I let it soak over night every night. I have known about plastic bottles for years. Dr. Weil talked about it in his book.prot said:Some use the same bottle repeatedly refilling it in the hopes that chemicals are washed out early in use amd not as present in later usages.
Phil
LoL swale was turning into peggy bundy......... did u have a craving for bon bons also? heheSWALE said:I really liked it, so (as is somewhat a pattern for me) ate several bowls per day. Three days later I began retaining water, feeling weaker, and just wanted to watch soap operas all day. That swore me off soy right there.
would washing the plastic out really stop these chemicals from getting into the water? i would think they would be released over time from some type of chemical reaction taking place.............. or is it just some type of film that occurs...............
I keep wondering . . . if phytoestrogens in soy foods are that bad for you, what about the hundreds of millions of men in Asian countries who eat them all the time? Do they all have hormone imbalances? It seems like a stretch.
I personally don't eat much in the way of soy foods because they upset my gut, but could they really be that bad? They've been an important food source maybe for millenia.
I personally don't eat much in the way of soy foods because they upset my gut, but could they really be that bad? They've been an important food source maybe for millenia.
Perhaps not
But I don't know per capita how much soy Asian men actually eat.. I don't see it on the menus in Chinese, Thai, or Vietnamese restaurants I have frequented. I really doubt Asian men eat much at all. The one place it was studied was in Japanese women ..thats it as far as I know and the supposed health benefits were promulgated from this select subgroup..who probably eat a lot of fish and rice as well. That and the fact that soybean producers in the UNITED STATES are heavily subsidized to produce this crap and the USDA pushes it by making propaganda like statements concerning its benefits. Real studies suggest soybean oil is the worst for cancer and heart disease..but its cheap because its subsidized and so it gets in everything. Soy upsets my stomach as well and I don't think its tolerated well by most meat eaters. My gut tells me that men in all societies prefer meat dishes as a biologic necessity. Women are more prone to eating vegetables and grains. Why? Because over thousands of millenia the men hunted and got themeat first..the women ate what was left and used what they could forage as fillers. Therefore they are genetically able to handle more carbs than men. Because of the surplus of people and scarcity of meat..most Asians use rice or wheat(noodles" as their preferred filler now.
As to washing out the plastic bottles I believe the thought is that the original contents sit in the container for weeks or months and, therefore, have leached a greater chemical content out and subsequent usage would have only fractional amounts as the liquid is not in the container long.
cpeil2 said:I keep wondering . . . if phytoestrogens in soy foods are that bad for you, what about the hundreds of millions of men in Asian countries who eat them all the time? Do they all have hormone imbalances? It seems like a stretch.
I personally don't eat much in the way of soy foods because they upset my gut, but could they really be that bad? They've been an important food source maybe for millenia.
But I don't know per capita how much soy Asian men actually eat.. I don't see it on the menus in Chinese, Thai, or Vietnamese restaurants I have frequented. I really doubt Asian men eat much at all. The one place it was studied was in Japanese women ..thats it as far as I know and the supposed health benefits were promulgated from this select subgroup..who probably eat a lot of fish and rice as well. That and the fact that soybean producers in the UNITED STATES are heavily subsidized to produce this crap and the USDA pushes it by making propaganda like statements concerning its benefits. Real studies suggest soybean oil is the worst for cancer and heart disease..but its cheap because its subsidized and so it gets in everything. Soy upsets my stomach as well and I don't think its tolerated well by most meat eaters. My gut tells me that men in all societies prefer meat dishes as a biologic necessity. Women are more prone to eating vegetables and grains. Why? Because over thousands of millenia the men hunted and got themeat first..the women ate what was left and used what they could forage as fillers. Therefore they are genetically able to handle more carbs than men. Because of the surplus of people and scarcity of meat..most Asians use rice or wheat(noodles" as their preferred filler now.
As to washing out the plastic bottles I believe the thought is that the original contents sit in the container for weeks or months and, therefore, have leached a greater chemical content out and subsequent usage would have only fractional amounts as the liquid is not in the container long.
prot said:But I don't know per capita how much soy Asian men actually eat.. I don't see it on the menus in Chinese, Thai, or Vietnamese restaurants I have frequented.
That's a good point. It never occurred to me to question whether the received wisdom that Asians eat lot of soy is correct. I did a quick Google search, and it turns out that there is a lot of controversy over this very question. It seems that overall, soy consumption in Asia isn't that high, although there are spots, such as Okinawa, where it is.
Strictly on a side note, I wonder whether restaurant menus in the US are accurate barometers of what people in Asia eat on a day-to-day basis. I have never traveled in Asia, but I am told by people who have, that in China, for example, people don't tend to eat large cubes of deep-fried pork with a sauce made from canned pineapple. Or huge bowls of wonton soup that are more wonton than soup.
usufruct99
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The soy upsets your stomach because it has trypsin inhibitors which the body needs for protein digestion. Only properly prepared soy products such as tempeh and miso (which are fermented) neutralize the trypsin inhibitors. Tofu does have the trypsin inhibitors. The amount of soy recommended by western proponents vastly exceeds the amount found in a daily asian diet. Nowhere do Asians eat as much as 25 grams of soy protein a day. My wife is Japanese and the only soy products we use are soy sauce (only ones that have been aged and fermented) and very small cubes of tofu in our miso soup. I'm not sure but I suppose this might only be a few grams of soy protein at the most. We don't eat this everyday of course and neither do her parents who live in Japan. BTW the soybean industry was heavily involved in the marketing to remove tropical oils (which are far more healthier than soybean oil since they contain antimicrobial MCT such as lauric acid) from the US food supply. Remember popcorn cooked in coconut oil!
usufruct99 said:Remember popcorn cooked in coconut oil!
No, is it good? We're starting to see more products made with tropical oils. There are products created as alternatives to hydrogenated vegetable shortening that are made from coconut and palm oils. They do have saturated fat, but not as much as butter or lard, and they don't have any of the trans fats found in vegetable shortening.
Yes, much of the "work" being done in that area is driven by Archer Daniels Midland--the world's largest manufacturer of soy an doy products.
Check this out:
www.soyonlineservice.co.nz
The Editor gets a bit unprofessional at times, but there are some good data posted.
Check this out:
www.soyonlineservice.co.nz
The Editor gets a bit unprofessional at times, but there are some good data posted.
To quote SWALE from an old forum:usufruct99 said:Remember popcorn cooked in coconut oil!
"Dr. Mercola says virign coconut oil is the way to go. In its absence, extra virgin olive oil is probably best."
Very confusing, since coconut is very high in saturated fat. I just read something on the Internet (doesn't mean it is true) that says that coconut oil is good because of the particular kind of saturated fat.
So I guess that all the movie theaters are probably now (as per the controversy several years ago) using something other than coconut oil, that we (or, at least, Dr. Mercola) now believe is actually less healthy? Figures.
Another thing I don't understand is why coconut oil would be healthier than something that is simply very low in saturated fat altogether, like canola oil.
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I was reading about the benefits of chocolate on cholesterol, after which I came across this article titled "Why is Coconut Oil Good For You?" The article seems resonable, and it mentions Dr. Mercola. Nothing there that SWALE doesn't already know, but it might be informative to some of the rest of us.
Coconut oil may or may not be good for you, but that article is worthless.mranak said:I came across this article titled "Why is Coconut Oil Good For You?" The article seems resonable, and it mentions Dr. Mercola. Nothing there that SWALE doesn't already know, but it might be informative to some of the rest of us.
Here's an abstract of that article. "You know all those people who say that saturated fat is bad for you, well they really don't know what they're talking about. And here's my proof. There's a doctor who was actually right about something else. Well the guy he studied under says that saturated fat is good for you. Next week I'll drivel on some more. Stay tuned."
Not much science there. The author ought to have his medical license taken away, if it hasn't been taken away already.
Well, we do know that certain saturated fats can be good for you.....such as those found in chocolate.
I do disagree with the part of the article that says it is carbs and trans fats, not saturated fats, that cause high cholesterol.
What I do know if that we don't know as much as we think we do about all this stuff. And the article does make some blanket statements that it should not make.
In the meantime, I don't know if I should continue cooking with canola and olive oil, or if I should switch to coconut oil.
I do disagree with the part of the article that says it is carbs and trans fats, not saturated fats, that cause high cholesterol.
What I do know if that we don't know as much as we think we do about all this stuff. And the article does make some blanket statements that it should not make.
In the meantime, I don't know if I should continue cooking with canola and olive oil, or if I should switch to coconut oil.
