PINNING ENANTHATE ESTERS ONCE A WEEK?

[Test_Subject]

And if yer rump can not tell what you are pinning. YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER INTERNET CHUMP RUNNING YOUR MOUTH AT A FORUM SPOUTING BULLSHIT.. Long ago.. I could tell the difference between the IM reaction of Test c, test e, Test P, or even Deca with the slightest of ease... And especially when new to an ester and the body not acclimatized to the reaction.

YOU.. Are full of shit...

 

[Test_Subject]

I repeat the question. When is the last time you ran sust???

Do you want an exact date?

Five years ago, maybe? I don’t see how that’s relevant. What does my experience with sustanon have to do with the availability of raws?

I’ve never tried Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1979. Does that mean that you can’t buy it?

 

[BBC3]

Do you want an exact date?

Five years ago, maybe? I don’t see how that’s relevant. What does my experience with sustanon have to do with the availability of raws?

I’ve never tried Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1979. Does that mean that you can’t buy it?

I offer what I offer as experiential and a grain of salt for your shaker.. Some like sugar better. That's all..

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Trip and Beligas have actual Sustanon. However Sciroxx was mostly test E and prop. PharmaQo I’ll have an answer for next week possibly.

Thanks. I would like to know those brands if so. I still always remain cautious on these matters as you really do not know WHO is WHO around forums. What is real and what is not. But if you could direct me that way i'd like to see..

What @SkankHunt said yp above.
Hes personally had them HPLC tested.
And considering the amount of sources hes exposed, I'm very comfortable stating hes a good guy

Do you want an exact date?

Five years ago, maybe? I don’t see how that’s relevant. What does my experience with sustanon have to do with the availability of raws?

I’ve never tried Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1979. Does that mean that you can’t buy it?

Never tried it, too rich for my blood
If I'm dropping that kind of cash, it will be for scotch.
I do have a wonderful 1969 Portuguese vintage lying around.
Got it for a steal. 500 at the Vineyard it's made at but retails for 3 privately these days, looking forward to popping that cork for a special occasion

 

[Test_Subject]

What @SkankHunt said yp above.
Hes personally had them HPLC tested.
And considering the amount of sources hes exposed, I'm very comfortable stating hes a good guy


Never tried it, too rich for my blood
If I'm dropping that kind of cash, it will be for scotch.
I do have a wonderful 1969 Portuguese vintage lying around.
Got it for a steal. 500 at the Vineyard it's made at but retails for 3 privately these days, looking forward to popping that cork for a special occasion

I’m more for a good scotch as well. Oban and Compass Box are my two go-tos, depending on what I’m looking to spend.

If you want to treat yourself, give Glenmorangie Signet a try. It’s a few hundred bucks but it’s life changing. Not like that Blue Label blended shit.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I’m more for a good scotch as well. Oban and Compass Box are my two go-tos, depending on what I’m looking to spend.

If you want to treat yourself, give Glenmorangie Signet a try. It’s a few hundred bucks but it’s life changing. Not like that Blue Label blended shit.

Oban is one of my go-to bottles.
Nothing exorbitant, but excellent.

 

[EazyE]

I offer what I offer as experiential and a grain of salt for your shaker.. Some like sugar better. That's all..

Why all this fuss about sustanon? It is nothing special. It is a test blend. Maybe there are benefits for TRT use, but for those using substantial dosages of test, it really offers no benefit over Enanthate or Cypionate. I would prefer cypionate or Enanthate at say 800mg/week for example to saturate my receptors. Years ago sustanon was marketed as a specialty item with a big price tag. I remember the Mexican preload redijects complete with the 18-gauge harpoon! All the hype at a substantial cost. Overall sustanon is pretty underwhelming. It works but not my first choice.

 

[BBC3]

I’m more for a good scotch as well. Oban and Compass Box are my two go-tos, depending on what I’m looking to spend.

If you want to treat yourself, give Glenmorangie Signet a try. It’s a few hundred bucks but it’s life changing. Not like that Blue Label blended shit.

What do you fukkers know about a "good scotch"...

But I am talking Cowboy WHISKAAAAYYYYYYY.....

Ever even seen a bottle of Walker King George..??? I was buying a bottle of Blue for a friend on time in a publix liquor end in FL and above the shelf sat a bottle of that King whatever and it was fukkin $750,00.... Blew my mind. Booze is cheap in FL too you can get BLUE for 225.00....



View: https://youtu.be/glb2U6y-GdU?t=35

 

[BBC3]

Why all this fuss about sustanon? It is nothing special. It is a test blend. Maybe there are benefits for TRT use, but for those using substantial dosages of test, it really offers no benefit over Enanthate or Cypionate. I would prefer cypionate or Enanthate at say 800mg/week for example to saturate my receptors. Years ago sustanon was marketed as a specialty item with a big price tag. I remember the Mexican preload redijects complete with the 18-gauge harpoon! All the hype at a substantial cost. Overall sustanon is pretty underwhelming. It works but not my first choice.

There is no fuss you just did not read it all. SUST is a TRT type test blend and thats it.. I merely pointed out most of the shit out there is not real. IMHO...

 

[EazyE]

There is no fuss you just did not read it all. SUST is a TRT type test blend and thats it.. I merely pointed out most of the shit out there is not real. IMHO...

I see…

 

[Bumble]

Firstly, you are not going to get real sustanon unless you can get ahold of a GENUINE PHARMA BRAND. It's just too complex in composition.

Second, if you have real Sust, its actually preferred in long term applications because it is comprised of about 30% testosterone Decanoate- Which is a two week ester.

Third, I would always reconsider my choice of testosterones in terms of Enanthate. If you ever have the chance to see Test E raw powder its very interesting as it has a melting point of about 75 degrees F. Give or take. Which means that it will REMAIN A LIQUID once in your 90+ degree human body. So what does that mean in terms of creating an actual "Depot" within a rump muscle per say? Who knows.. Does it just migrate around the body to your feet?? LOL but serious. With Cypionate you are basically creating a micro-pellet in your rump as it will come out of suspension once injected and all the oil and other solvents are uptaked. I guess its possible that there is a chemical reaction between enanthate and the BA and BB, heat and oil that changes this. But I doubt it.. Its interesting as everyone else in the world but the US uses Enanthate. I have not figured that one out yet...

This is interesting as hell. Thanks for posting

 

[Mcflyfast]

Really??

"Each ampoule or vial of Sustanon 250 contains 30 mg testosterone propionate, 60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg testosterone isocaproate and 100 mg testosterone decanoate in 1 ml"

Really? Do you think Chinese raw manufacturers give a SHART about Test PHENYLPROPIONATE and test ISOCAPROATE. Which as a I recall are about 2-5 day esters. depending...!!!! If they did, the proof would lie in the point that there would be availability of these esters as straight-up SINGULAR purchases. Note you have never seen them on the market. Its hard enough just to get decent test prop for heaven's sake....

Prove me wrong and simply show me where you find Chinese raws in Isocarproate and Phenylpropionate and I will reconsider my position on this.

I would "Hypothesize" that UGL's marketing "SUSTANON" are generating a blend of test E and Test decanoate as a close forgery at AT BEST... I would hypothesize they know that they are marketing deceptively. However, they may not even realize their purchased raws are not as marketed. Do you think they care to challenge their suppliers if buying in "pre-proportioned powders" considering the low demand.? They are in business to make MONEY...

In my personal experience in past experimentation, there is not even any decanoate esterified test in these non-pharma UGL products and they are simply test E most likely presented as sust. So I stand by my statement that UNLESS ITS A MAJOR PHARMA BRAND, yer getting screwed. And Primarily because there is little to ZERO demand for sust in the "Steroid weight training market" and due to the hang time of the decanoate. No one with any sense wants to use it on a "Cycle", as it would stick around so long it would preclude any fantasy of a successful "PCT"... So who is out there wanting to buy it regardless...

I've tried a couple of UGLs SUST recently and they are NOT what they are described to be. I will not name them because I did not prove my suspicions in formal testing and documentation. But let's just say I know what a decanoate ester acts like in the body.. And the ones I tried also certainly lacked the "Bite" which should come with a splash of Propionate - minimally"...

When is the last time YOU ran SUST?? If ever...?

What did I just read.......... Lol

Do you think Chinese raw manufacturers give a SHART about Test PHENYLPROPIONATE and test ISOCAPROATE. Which as a I recall are about 2-5 day esters. depending...!!!! If they did, the proof would lie in the point that there would be availability of these esters as straight-up SINGULAR purchases. Note you have never seen them on the market. Its hard enough just to get decent test prop for heaven's sake....

Bro, what are you talking about.... Lmao....

Now you are just speaking out of your ass about Chinese raw vendors not carrying singular esters such as Test Phenylpropinate and Test ISOCAPROATE. Yeah, maybe the low tear vendors who are third party vendors but actual bigger tear raw suppliers I have deff seen it on the list and very sure it is that compound. Now when it comes to the exact purity and such, that is to be determined.

Also, there is a bigger UGL lab on here that sells finished test phenylpropinate. You mentioned also, finding good test prop raws?! Lmao either you have terrible luck or you just don't know any good sources

Lastly, you mentioned Test ISOCAPROATE raw almost impossible to find, I seen it on plenty of lists (Bigger vendor) and yes, I have used it in the past, from a domestic UGL lab and to be honest, I found no difference from Test Iso to my pharma test c.

Prove me wrong and simply show me where you find Chinese raws in Isocarproate and Phenylpropionate and I will reconsider my position on this

There is a wonderful search engine on Meso, no need to spoon feed you on your opinion that is wrong.

Do you think they care to challenge their suppliers if buying in "pre-proportioned powders" considering the low demand.? They are in business to make MONEY...

Again, this come down to the lab trusting their source and doing consistent HPLC lab analysis prior to brewing.

I seen shady stuff yes, but this is the black market so you will find great sources for raw powders and others doing really really shady shit.

In my personal experience in past experimentation, there is not even any decanoate esterified test in these non-pharma UGL products and they are simply test E most likely presented as sust. So I stand by my statement that UNLESS ITS A MAJOR PHARMA BRAND, yer getting screwed. And Primarily because there is little to ZERO demand for sust in the "Steroid weight training market" and due to the hang time of the decanoate. No one with any sense wants to use it on a "Cycle", as it would stick around so long it would preclude any fantasy of a successful "PCT"... So who is out there wanting to buy it regardless...

I've tried a couple of UGLs SUST recently and they are NOT what they are described to be. I will not name them because I did not prove my suspicions in formal testing and documentation. But let's just say I know what a decanoate ester acts like in the body.. And the ones I tried also certainly lacked the "Bite" which should come with a splash of Propionate - minimally"...

When is the last time YOU ran SUST?? If ever...?

Okay, so I agree partially to this..... You say again there is no UGLs that have a proper blend of esters (Sust blend).

I said it again, there is a source on here that carries a true sust blend, actually I can name 3 on the top of my head that have a proper blend (prop, phenylprop, iso, deconate).

Its true, some cheaper UGLs do buy just prop and add enanathate and label it as Sustanon....

But to mention like all UGLs are like this you are very wrong....

Lastly, you mention the prop ester bite? This has to do with many factors. It could be due to the carrier oil they are using (for example, using EO or Miglyol 810) I hardly feel any bite on prop.

For example, I used Ukraine Farmak Test prop that is suspended in EO and it had 0 bite 50mg/ml

A couple sources on here have 100mg/ml test prop in MCT oil with reports of 0 bite.

I am not a brewer so I can't comment how they are making it to not do so (Formulations and such).

Before you ask me if I ever ran real "Sust".... Yes, I have used them all.

I ran real Polish Jelfa Omnadrens, Pakistan Organon Sustanons, and now I have Aspen (Organon) Sustanons. All had a bit of bite, but Jano posted its because of the amount of solvents used in these pharma products to suspend the short esters from "crashing". Maybe it has alot to do to that they use Arachis (Peanut) oil as a carrier.

I have also used UGL sust from a top brand on here (HPLC tested too) as I had the same batch and had less PIP than my pharma.

@EazyE @Cochino I also do my TRT of 100mg of test c every 5th day prescribed by my doctor and it works best for me too.

 

[BBC3]

@Mcflyfast - Nice reply. In my defense and back in my day starting when the last clampdown occurred in 2005, up till then there was no test esters beyond E, T, and P. IT was a limited market unless you trusted an international supplier to get you PHARMA Grade products at a premium. With that said. Perhaps the sust I saw and the place it came from simply did not offer the other esters as straight up finished products. But I see you are referring to the availability of RAWs, which was NOT my point. Cause that's a different case altogether and while they may be legit I would question a UGL's (1) ability to process properly, and (2) INTENT as if they even wanted to.. Finally yes there are some high grade "UGLs" out there today that rival even "sanctioned pharma manufacturers"... I don't deny this.

I am an angry man vailed in many ways yes. And I've been subjected to my share of getting fukked around over the years... Things were not always the way they are now due to heavy governmental controls for many years slacking recently. By 2012 there was a worldwide joint crackdown on steroids.

I will ALWAYS take issue with potential "Politics" in substance testing services be they "3rd party" or what. There is too much potential for corruption. Last time I checked a few years ago there was what? Two of em..?? That was not even a publicly available service until 2015 give or take... The only way I would ever feel certain of anything is if I had a buddy at a high grade college with access to scientific equipment capable. WHAT I DO is simply go by reputation, and once I sink my stock there it remains until I prove otherwise. GRANTED and YES, all these "TESTS" that people get done and publish AFFECT my decision making process. And I am thankful for a free market which fosters this. I do not discount the data I read and I appreciate your reply the same.

I have very limited experience over the past 5 years which is WHY I am not going to name my suspect UGL. And yes I am aware some props can be smoother than others... Peanut oil is pretty smooth actually in my first experience a lifetime ago with an Indian Pharma grade. The issue with the PROPs is the presence or lack of grapeseed and oleates... Something like that I am rusty. But I don't think they have to change the BA/BB solvent ratios to stave off a crash at 250mgs/ml... That's bullshit. It CAN have to do with the primary solvent which is the OIL and as stated a sentence or two above..... Which is inclusive of the WAY in which PROP is "esterfied"...

Anyone can name mainstream sanctions like Organon. PM me the 3 ugls you hold regard for. If you dont mind.. If you do mind that's no problem I don't plan to even attempt UGL SUST again...

There is also an old school notion that if the PIP ain't there, it ain't there. There is something to be said for this. And the TRUTH is you wont even know it with sust because the net effect will be the same during active pin time.

There was a jackass thread around here a couple years back talking about if you were buying UGL you were basically a chump. On the surface it was a little broad in scope, and too generalizing. But the thread served a purpose. I restrained from comment as I have decided to each their own and it doesn't matter what you tell people anyway as we are all somewhat a bit of jackass. I have also been around long enough to see fools shoot their mouths off and then later retract their statements. So I live and die by my own sword always..

Lastly, any UGL can send a good batch off for testing. Any UGL can ship out hit and miss under-dosed vials. The truth is limited few customers will test and even if they did catch someone they would just call them out privately first and get bought off with fat free shipment.

As far as I am concerned even if just ONE UGL drops the ball once, its a shame and a black eye on the entire industry... You can laugh now. But you will learn eventually..

 

[Mcflyfast]

@Mcflyfast - Nice reply. In my defense and back in my day starting when the last clampdown occurred in 2005, up till then there was no test esters beyond E, T, and P. IT was a limited market unless you trusted an international supplier to get you PHARMA Grade products at a premium. With that said. Perhaps the sust I saw and the place it came from simply did not offer the other esters as straight up finished products. But I see you are referring to the availability of RAWs, which was NOT my point. Cause that's a different case altogether and while they may be legit I would question a UGL's (1) ability to process properly, and (2) INTENT as if they even wanted to.. Finally yes there are some high grade "UGLs" out there today that rival even "sanctioned pharma manufacturers"... I don't deny this.

I am an angry man vailed in many ways yes. And I've been subjected to my share of getting fukked around over the years... Things were not always the way they are now due to heavy governmental controls for many years slacking recently. By 2012 there was a worldwide joint crackdown on steroids.

I will ALWAYS take issue with potential "Politics" in substance testing services be they "3rd party" or what. There is too much potential for corruption. Last time I checked a few years ago there was what? Two of em..?? That was not even a publicly available service until 2015 give or take... The only way I would ever feel certain of anything is if I had a buddy at a high grade college with access to scientific equipment capable. WHAT I DO is simply go by reputation, and once I sink my stock there it remains until I prove otherwise. GRANTED and YES, all these "TESTS" that people get done and publish AFFECT my decision making process. And I am thankful for a free market which fosters this. I do not discount the data I read and I appreciate your reply the same.

I have very limited experience over the past 5 years which is WHY I am not going to name my suspect UGL. And yes I am aware some props can be smoother than others... Peanut oil is pretty smooth actually in my first experience a lifetime ago with an Indian Pharma grade. The issue with the PROPs is the presence or lack of grapeseed and oleates... Something like that I am rusty. But I don't think they have to change the BA/BB solvent ratios to stave off a crash at 250mgs/ml... That's bullshit. It CAN have to do with the primary solvent which is the OIL and as stated a sentence or two above..... Which is inclusive of the WAY in which PROP is "esterfied"...

Anyone can name mainstream sanctions like Organon. PM me the 3 ugls you hold regard for. If you dont mind.. If you do mind that's no problem I don't plan to even attempt UGL SUST again...

There is also an old school notion that if the PIP ain't there, it ain't there. There is something to be said for this. And the TRUTH is you wont even know it with sust because the net effect will be the same during active pin time.

There was a jackass thread around here a couple years back talking about if you were buying UGL you were basically a chump. On the surface it was a little broad in scope, and too generalizing. But the thread served a purpose. I restrained from comment as I have decided to each their own and it doesn't matter what you tell people anyway as we are all somewhat a bit of jackass. I have also been around long enough to see fools shoot their mouths off and then later retract their statements. So I live and die by my own sword always..

Lastly, any UGL can send a good batch off for testing. Any UGL can ship out hit and miss under-dosed vials. The truth is limited few customers will test and even if they did catch someone they would just call them out privately first and get bought off with fat free shipment.

As far as I am concerned even if just ONE UGL drops the ball once, its a shame and a black eye on the entire industry... You can laugh now. But you will learn eventually..

I completely understand

Sorry, I am not Pm' ing you sources where to get drugs and incriminating myself. You are a smart man. I am just sharing my opinion what I see on the forums.

Use the search button and make your own educated opinion.