Planning 2nd cycle.

[laclark89]

Point noted, better use to primo than an ai no?

And yes, I've only heard bad things about decca doesn't appeal to me

Yea primo but I think mast or eq might be better at lowering estrogen sides?

 

[BigTomJ]

I researched gear for like a year 2 before I had the balls to pinn and I still dont know shit. At least compared to alot of guys on here.

exactly, i trained and pushed my training for a decade before i even thought of gear, and even then i researched meticulously for a couple years and made sure i had all my "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed before i made the leap.

people are way to casual and quick to just hop on gear without knowing even the basics

 

[IrishHammer]

Forget about adding other compounds.

All you've done up to the point is a small test dose for far too short.

Next cycle test only 16 weeks.


That being said, you asked a LOT of really basic questions that would have been answered with even minimal research. So to me it sounds like you should pump the breaks and learn before shoving

Yea primo but I think mast or eq might be better at lowering estrogen sides?

Yeah I added mast in my first cycle for this reason, and it seamed to cause me chest pains, possibly bad gear I don't really now couldn't find any information on it either, blood pressure was normal went doctor about it, and everything was normal apparently! So I'm weary of including it in a cycle!

 

[BigTomJ]

Point noted, better use to primo than an ai no?

And yes, I've only heard bad things about decca doesn't appeal to me

you cannot rely on primo, mast, eq, or anything to manage your estrogen.

None of these have a definitive impact on e2 levels or perceived sides.
Its entirely individual on how various compounds will effect you personally.
some people get reduced serum e2 from mast/primo ect, many do not, while a few get low e sides but perfectly normal bloodwork.


AI is not the devil, best practice is to dial in your own personal AI dosing based on your personal aromatization rate, if any is needed at all.

Taking another injectable AAS with the primary purpose to manage estrogen is foolish.


Do test only, get your bloodwork, dial in your AI. once you know all these factors you can experiment with other compounds

 

[Jonb3750]

U just got back in the gym only 6 weeks and you want to do a cycle? Go to the gym regularly for a year then do a cycle. 6 weeks? This is what's wrong with this whole open steroid thing cuz everyone can get them now and even kids just want to jump of cycle cuz it's all over social media.

I just got back on steel 6 weeks ago. I've been doing calisthenics for years, pushups pullups dips etc.ive never completely left the gym so to say. I was on "vacation" for something stupid I did years ago. I'm an experienced lifter, with 20 yrs lifting. I'm still decently strong,
hitting 225 for ten on bench first day back on bench. So...plus I'm 40 yrs old and plan to get bloodwork done. Last time my test level was 320. Lower end of normal and that was 6 yrs ago. I most likely will never completely come off again, after this calender year, although my plan is to maybe even start at 300 mgs a week for ten weeks then 3 weeks pct. Then the next cycle go to 500 then cruise at 125 after all that. All that is completely dependent on many variables. So if you would , I'd love to have some advice on antiestrogen and PCT

U just got back in the gym only 6 weeks and you want to do a cycle? Go to the gym regularly for a year then do a cycle. 6 weeks? This is what's wrong with this whole open steroid thing cuz everyone can get them now and even kids just want to jump of cycle cuz it's all over social media.

U just got back in the gym only 6 weeks and you want to do a cycle? Go to the gym regularly for a year then do a cycle. 6 weeks? This is what's wrong with this whole open steroid thing cuz everyone can get them now and even kids just want to jump of cycle cuz it's all over social media.

 

[Jonb3750]

I would agree, although I'm new to AAS I've been training consistently for years at this stage with the odd break for a couple weeks.

Bro me too, that's what I'm saying I'm not just starting to lift...lol that's me on the left 6 yrs ago at 217 lbs benching 315 for ten...

 

[Jonb3750]

Welcome aboard. I’m in Kildare.

What’s the plans for the cycle? We don’t have much of a body building scene here. You lookin to flatten some poor fucker on the pitch?

My plan is because I love to lift!.. I have no plans on any shows , but not against maybe doing a show in 5 yrs at 45 in the grandpa division...fr tho...

 

[laclark89]

Bro me too, that's what I'm saying I'm not just starting to lift...lol that's me on the left 6 yrs ago at 217 lbs benching 315 for ten...

That's pretty fat for 217 enless ur 5'2 I almost never bench an can play with 225 and I dont consider myself that strong.

 

[Jonb3750]

Did u read that it said 6 yrs ago...that's when I was benching 315 for ten...right now I'm 178 benching 225 for ten and haven't benched in 6 years

 

[Jonb3750]

And I'm 5'9"

 

[lukiss96]

you cannot rely on primo, mast, eq, or anything to manage your estrogen.

None of these have a definitive impact on e2 levels or perceived sides.
Its entirely individual on how various compounds will effect you personally.
some people get reduced serum e2 from mast/primo ect, many do not, while a few get low e sides but perfectly normal bloodwork.


AI is not the devil, best practice is to dial in your own personal AI dosing based on your personal aromatization rate, if any is needed at all.

Taking another injectable AAS with the primary purpose to manage estrogen is foolish.


Do test only, get your bloodwork, dial in your AI. once you know all these factors you can experiment with other compounds

This is one of the best posts, it should be printed over here. Very well said, Tom.