planning 4th cycle

[poff1]

Hello everyone,
I already ran the following cycles:
1) MK2866 20mg + GW501516 10mg (6 weeks) / PCT Nolvadex 10mg for 4 weeks
2) RAD140 10mg + GW501516 5 mg (8 weeks) + Nolvadex 10mg EOD (week 5-8) / PCT Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
3) RAD140 20mg (4 weeks) / PCT Nolvadex 20/20/10/10

ideally i was planning to run another cycle before summer and i was looking for
RAD140 20mg (maybe try 30mg)
GW501516 10-20mg
MK677 10mg (never tried so i was keen on keeping it low)
Androgel 50ml 1% ED or EOD
Enclomiphene 6.25mg (cycle support and pct, last time i choose nolva over clomid, but it seems like a lot more people prefer enclo now... I still have 25x 20mg nolva at hand anyways).
I came here from reddit last month after a guy told me i could find cheap testosterone base powder here, to make androgel, but it seems that source of his only ships from china and i can't risk that. It's a shame because i wanted to try androgel.
I found another source (catcafe), which should be from eu, but too bad they don't sell either testosterone powder and mk677 (another compound i wanted to try).
Before u say so, can't pin... it's not that i'm afraid of needles, but i don't know how to do IM injenctions, the most i know is how to do subcutaneous but to dogs... i usually ask my cousin (a nurse) to give me injections when my doc prescribes me some, but of course i can't and won't ask her to pin me testo.
If i could pin i would be very interested in some peptides too, but too bad i can't.

So unless i can find a legit source for androgel I will just run rad and cardarine again, which felt very good tbh.

i understand catcafe is legit, but i want to know something first:
1) shipping from within schengen? (no custom, and 100% safe)
2) shipping time to italy? (from your experience)
3) perhaps you know about another source for testosterone powder or androgel from within schengen?

ty

 

[Evom1]

Don't bother with any of that stuff like sarms, just run a legit cycle of test c 500mg/wk for 10 weeks or so.

 

[poff1]

Don't bother with any of that stuff like sarms, just run a legit cycle of test c 500mg/wk for 10 weeks or so.

I have seen this suggestion numerous times already, and i understand injections are better alla around compared to every other option (androgel, striant, 4-andro) but i can't.

Simply put :
Who do i ask to give me the IM injections?
My friend (a doctor, we would likely argue)? My cousin (a nurse, she can't keep a secret, everyone will know in no time, I'm 100% sure she will also refuse to do the injection)? My gf (she can't take out a splinter and i also don't want to disappoint her, she thinks my sarms are "supplements")? A stranger (what if he blackmails me)? Try to do it myself (better than relying on my girl i guess, but again what if i mess up and end up needing a doctor... like i pin it in a bad spot and it becomes purple, or if i hit a nerve)?

Every single option seems really bad.
I do plan on learning how to do IM, as it's a very useful skill, but i don't think learning it with steroids and on myself is a really good idea.

 

[OneStrongMutha]

I was scared before I started injecting also. Honestly you just get used to it. The results from taking actual testosterone vs any sarms are staggeringly better.

But I don’t want to push you to do anything that you are not comfortable with.

 

[poff1]

I was scared before I started injecting also. Honestly you just get used to it. The results from taking actual testosterone vs any sarms are staggeringly better.

But I don’t want to push you to do anything that you are not comfortable with.

can u suggest any tutorial on how to do self IM injections? (video tutorial preferably)

 

[Evom1]

can u suggest any tutorial on how to do self IM injections? (video tutorial preferably)

Go on YouTube and search

How to draw and inject testosterone

There is a video that pops right up from defy medical that is 3:56 long and the cover picture is a doctor holding a syringe

 

[poff1]

Go on YouTube and search

How to draw and inject testosterone

There is a video that pops right up from defy medical that is 3:56 long and the cover picture is a doctor holding a syringe

helpful video, but i have couple of questions...
1) they used 0,3ml, from what i see testosterone is usually available in concentration between 100 and 250mg/ml... and used in dosages of about 250/500mg per week (so about 1 to 2 ml for 250mg/ml vials)... is the deltoid viable for 2ml IM?

2) assuming I'm right handed, since the injection is done only once a week, is it needed to rotate the site of injection (1 week right and the next week left, like i have been doing, but when i had to take injections ED for 5/7 days like for cortisone)?

3) I've been trying to touch the acromion with my fingers, I'm not sure i did identify the exact point, does the site of injection absolutely needs to be 2 fingers below, or if i aim for the middle of the lateral delt I will be g2g?

4) in case i wanted to test it first, to see if I'm capable of. How do i go? Get a syring and inject me some physiological solution or cortisone (i have both betametasone and metilprednisolone)? I have heard of people "practicing with pillows", have u heard about this before?

5) It's not that I'm a total beginner at giving injection, because when my dog was sick my vet trained me to give her subcutaneous injections (that drug could have been given both IM or subcutaneous but he trained me for subcutaneous as it was easier), because she had to take 7 in total... now for subcutaneous in dogs, i pulled some skin from her back, aimed in the middle between my thumb and index finger, and plunged the needle 90°... now at a certain point u can feel a change in resistance, and that's when the needle has gone through the skin and reached the fat tissue, that's when u inject the drug, slowly... after u have done u remove the needle quickly. And massage the area (only a little bit). What's the feel when u give IM? is the change in resistance something that only happens in dogs (maybe due to thicker skin or something like that)?

 

[LescoBrandon]

so basically ur first cycle since sarms are shit.

how old are you? you sound like a teenager. if you are a teenager, stay away from peds

 

[Rido]

helpful video, but i have couple of questions...
1) they used 0,3ml, from what i see testosterone is usually available in concentration between 100 and 250mg/ml... and used in dosages of about 250/500mg per week (so about 1 to 2 ml for 250mg/ml vials)... is the deltoid viable for 2ml IM?

2) assuming I'm right handed, since the injection is done only once a week, is it needed to rotate the site of injection (1 week right and the next week left, like i have been doing, but when i had to take injections ED for 5/7 days like for cortisone)?

3) I've been trying to touch the acromion with my fingers, I'm not sure i did identify the exact point, does the site of injection absolutely needs to be 2 fingers below, or if i aim for the middle of the lateral delt I will be g2g?

4) in case i wanted to test it first, to see if I'm capable of. How do i go? Get a syring and inject me some physiological solution or cortisone (i have both betametasone and metilprednisolone)? I have heard of people "practicing with pillows", have u heard about this before?

5) It's not that I'm a total beginner at giving injection, because when my dog was sick my vet trained me to give her subcutaneous injections (that drug could have been given both IM or subcutaneous but he trained me for subcutaneous as it was easier), because she had to take 7 in total... now for subcutaneous in dogs, i pulled some skin from her back, aimed in the middle between my thumb and index finger, and plunged the needle 90°... now at a certain point u can feel a change in resistance, and that's when the needle has gone through the skin and reached the fat tissue, that's when u inject the drug, slowly... after u have done u remove the needle quickly. And massage the area (only a little bit). What's the feel when u give IM? is the change in resistance something that only happens in dogs (maybe due to thicker skin or something like that)?

Don't run stuff if you are scared of doing injections...

 

[poff1]

so basically ur first cycle since sarms are shit.

how old are you? you sound like a teenager. if you are a teenager, stay away from peds

u can check my introduction, I'm 36, why do i sound like a teenager? because I am a little cautios about pinning? Tbh, biology aside, from a legal pov I think a teenager risks a lot less than an adult if he is caught using something like testosterone. Sarms are legal in my country, so I wouldn't risk anything if i bought or used some. But going for steroids calls for a little more preparation all around (safe sources, safe shipping, safe way to take them).
If i could ask the same people who always give me IM to just inject testo I'll have no problems doing it. They are pros and have done thousands of IM while I've only ever given 7 subcutaneous injections to my dog, and she's an angel btw, so i don't really know if i was good or if I hurt her...

 

[bornSkinny]

You need a lot of help guy. Probably too much help. You’re soliciting very specific information from random strangers on the internet and you sound like you just want someone to volunteer to come over and inject the drugs for you.
I’d say the closest you’ll come to a first cycle is some anavar tabs. I’ve heard if you hold them under your tongue it’s better. Not sure on that haven’t tried it myself yet. Good luck.

 

[phenominal34]

Yea you’re a bit over the top… everyone of us was in your shoes at some point, maybe not as petrified but what we did and I’ll speak for most is READ READ READ AND READ SOME MORE. Watch multiple videos, make this become interesting and something you want to learn more and more about. You’re only gonna get members aggregated by not doing any homework of your own and continuing to ask basic questions you should know before even thinking about steroid use.

 

[Rido]

Yea you’re a bit over the top… everyone of us was in your shoes at some point, maybe not as petrified but what we did and I’ll speak for most is READ READ READ AND READ SOME MORE. Watch multiple videos, make this become interesting and something you want to learn more and more about. You’re only gonna get members aggregated by not doing any homework of your own and continuing to ask basic questions you should know before even thinking about steroid use.

It's weird. even 16 years ago I was told to avoid orals if you wanna do steroids. Because it's hard on the liver. I know better now that it isn't..


but I always had the though in my head if I was ever to be enhanced. I need to shoot into the muscle.

 

[bornSkinny]

Don't run stuff if you are scared of doing injections...

Yeah this

It’s like don’t go on a second date with me if you aren’t going to do weird sex stuff later.

Just leading me on.

 

[poff1]

i think the conversation has deviated a lot from its original purpose, but i don't think it was all due to my questions... I was already clear from the start that i didn't see pinning as a viable option, simply put, a little mistake would bust me and I can risk several consequences irl (break up with my gf, being judged from friends and family, maybe legal consequences too).
my original idea was just to run some androgel with the rad, as i already tried rad and really liked it.
my rad cycles were both good, but in all the cases i felt suppressed after 4 weeks, so the idea was just to take something (first i looked for 4-andro then androgel) to being able to extend the duration of the cycle to 8 weeks.
Like i said many people already said that pinning testo is preferable to androgel (more stable blood levels and u don't need to apply it every single day, just pin once and forget for a week), but as u pointed out I'm probably very far from pinning myself. The risk (being exposed) don't warrant the benefits.

I'll just run another sarm cycle, with or without androgel then.

 

[poff1]

It's weird. even 16 years ago I was told to avoid orals if you wanna do steroids. Because it's hard on the liver. I know better now that it isn't..


but I always had the though in my head if I was ever to be enhanced. I need to shoot into the muscle.

he's probably suggesting a very low dosage cycle, and the harm is also dosage dependant.
From what i have read the oral AAS have a methyl group in the 17th carbon atom, it's this group that makes the compound orally bioavailable, but since it is now metabolized in the liver, it will cause some stress.
Anyways 1month of rad 20mg (deus) and 1 month of pct, with nac as cycle support (not during pct) elevated my ALT and AST from 15/16 to only 19/23 (limit was 35 for both).
So if i have to choose an oral, i'd still choose rad.

PS and i took even some tylenol 1g during pct, so maybe that was more harmful than rad itself.

 

[Rido]

i think the conversation has deviated a lot from its original purpose, but i don't think it was all due to my questions... I was already clear from the start that i didn't see pinning as a viable option, simply put, a little mistake would bust me and I can risk several consequences irl (break up with my gf, being judged from friends and family, maybe legal consequences too).
my original idea was just to run some androgel with the rad, as i already tried rad and really liked it.
my rad cycles were both good, but in all the cases i felt suppressed after 4 weeks, so the idea was just to take something (first i looked for 4-andro then androgel) to being able to extend the duration of the cycle to 8 weeks.
Like i said many people already said that pinning testo is preferable to androgel (more stable blood levels and u don't need to apply it every single day, just pin once and forget for a week), but as u pointed out I'm probably very far from pinning myself. The risk (being exposed) don't warrant the benefits.

I'll just run another sarm cycle, with or without androgel then.

Isn't it legal in Italy for steroids?

 

[poff1]

Isn't it legal in Italy for steroids?

absolutely not, it's even illegal to take them... which is a little bit extreme imho. even recreational drugs have a limit "for personal use".

 

[poff1]

Yea you’re a bit over the top… everyone of us was in your shoes at some point, maybe not as petrified but what we did and I’ll speak for most is READ READ READ AND READ SOME MORE. Watch multiple videos, make this become interesting and something you want to learn more and more about. You’re only gonna get members aggregated by not doing any homework of your own and continuing to ask basic questions you should know before even thinking about steroid use.

oh but i did inform myself, not on everything of course but on everything that seemed viable or i was interested in.
I read the posts about compounds on r/PED and r/SARM, and also this very useful blog (it's in italian, but i'm leaving it here since it's very good, maybe u can use google translate)
teamolympusblog.com

 

[phenominal34]

oh but i did inform myself, not on everything of course but on everything that seemed viable or i was interested in.
I read the posts about compounds on r/PED and r/SARM, and also this very useful blog (it's in italian, but i'm leaving it here since it's very good, maybe u can use google translate)
teamolympusblog.com

If you say so but if you’re asking the questions above 1-5 you did not. Stick with Sarms and GNC