Planning your first cycles

[Wunderpus]

A lot of people seem to struggle with what would be a good first, second and third cycle. In my opinion, less is always more and you ought to maximize your results with the minimal amount of drugs. Here is how you should structure your first few cycles:

First Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Arimidex .25mgs every other day
Run this for 12 weeks, then follow Scally's power PCT plan (this will be applied to all further cycles, if you plan to blast and cruise or stay on, that's your responsibility).

Now, after the first cycle your AI's (adex or aromasin, don't fuck with letro) will change depending on how your body aromatizes. This is why having your PCT drugs on hand before your cycle is helpful, in case gyno pops up you can start your nolva or ralox ASAP. Mid-cycle bloods will help you narrow down your AI dosages, as well.

Second Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Deca Durabolin 500mg's per week
Dianabol 50mg's/day for the first 4 weeks
Run this 12-16 weeks

Third Cycle, choose either to "cut" or to "bulk"-
Cut cycle-
Trenbolone Acetate start at 50mg's every other day, and increase by 50mg's EOD every 2 weeks until sides cannot be tolerated. Do NOT increase the amount until you have run that level for 2 weeks.
Testosterone propionate- 500mg's per week, you can opt to run it lower around 300 if you'd prefer.
Anavar at 100mg's/day or winstrol at 50mg's/day for either the first or last 4 weeks.
Run this up to 10 weeks.

Bulk cycle-
Testosterone Enanthate or Cyp. 750mg's/week
EQ 700mg's/week
Deca 500mg's/week
Anadrol100mg's/day for the first 3 weeks
Run this up to 16 weeks


Wrap up- THIS IS NOT the end all, be all way to cycle! This is what I recommend to friends, and it's worked well. This shit isn't rocket science, and it's a marathon, not a sprint. You should be "safe" with these cycles.

Also, learn how to diet and train before starting your cycling, trust me.

 

[MagicGains]

Good post!

 

[LiftAR]

Great cycle advice thread. Not stupid dosages after your first cycle where people seem to go wrong then need to take more and more in the future.

 

[CdnGuy]

Good post Wunderpus but it's a shame it's come to this on Meso. Seems many new guys here just can't or choose not to do their research. Honestly even a retard can enter "first steroid cycle" in Google and receive the right info Do your homework people!

 

[Dr JIM]

For many there no need to even consider a second or third cycle bc they overlook a critical component of their FIRST CYCLE

PRE-CYCLE LABS

 

[Wunderpus]

Good post Wunderpus but it's a shame it's come to this on Meso. Seems many new guys here just can't or choose not to do their research. Honestly even a retard can enter "first steroid cycle" in Google and receive the right info Do your homework people!

Hey, it is what it is... This will hopefully help a few people out.

 

[CdnGuy]

Hey, it is what it is... This will hopefully help a few people out.

True it is what it is but new guys shouldn't wonder why some of us lose our cool on them then lol It get's real frustrating seeing the same crap repeated over & over again. Due to laziness!

 

[whoknew]

Great post!
Regarding the first cycle would it be better to use testosterone propionate instead and only run for 8 weeks for a faster recovery or is that another subject as it acquires a certain level of knowledge to purchase quality product so a newbie will have some issues in that department if you get my drift

 

[Ozzy619]

A lot of people seem to struggle with what would be a good first, second and third cycle. In my opinion, less is always more and you ought to maximize your results with the minimal amount of drugs. Here is how you should structure your first few cycles:

First Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Arimidex .25mgs every other day
Run this for 12 weeks, then follow Scally's power PCT plan (this will be applied to all further cycles, if you plan to blast and cruise or stay on, that's your responsibility).

Now, after the first cycle your AI's (adex or aromasin, don't fuck with letro) will change depending on how your body aromatizes. This is why having your PCT drugs on hand before your cycle is helpful, in case gyno pops up you can start your nolva or ralox ASAP. Mid-cycle bloods will help you narrow down your AI dosages, as well.

Second Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Deca Durabolin 500mg's per week
Dianabol 50mg's/day for the first 4 weeks
Run this 12-16 weeks

Third Cycle, choose either to "cut" or to "bulk"-
Cut cycle-
Trenbolone Acetate start at 50mg's every other day, and increase by 50mg's EOD every 2 weeks until sides cannot be tolerated. Do NOT increase the amount until you have run that level for 2 weeks.
Testosterone propionate- 500mg's per week, you can opt to run it lower around 300 if you'd prefer.
Anavar at 100mg's/day or winstrol at 50mg's/day for either the first or last 4 weeks.
Run this up to 10 weeks.

Bulk cycle-
Testosterone Enanthate or Cyp. 750mg's/week
EQ 700mg's/week
Deca 500mg's/week
Anadrol100mg's/day for the first 3 weeks
Run this up to 16 weeks


Wrap up- THIS IS NOT the end all, be all way to cycle! This is what I recommend to friends, and it's worked well. This shit isn't rocket science, and it's a marathon, not a sprint. You should be "safe" with these cycles.

Also, learn how to diet and train before starting your cycling, trust me.

Bump

Excellent post brother, this will help any new guy that's serious. Simple and to the point. Im going to flame the next fucker that posts a retarted first cycle or has some retarted question that failed to read this thread.

Great post!
Regarding the first cycle would it be better to use testosterone propionate instead and only run for 8 weeks for a faster recovery or is that another subject as it acquires a certain level of knowledge to purchase quality product so a newbie will have some issues in that department if you get my drift

He wrote on the bottom paragraph that this in not an end all, be all way to cycle. It's a very basic guide that you can't fuck up. Quality of the gear was never mentioned.

 

[Big_paul]

less is always more and you ought to maximize your results with the minimal amount of drugs.

You have been talking to Dr Jim. I agree. Just because a member has ran a first cycle using 500mg of test doesn't mean he/she needs to use a cocktail of AAS. Gains will still be seen with that same dose.

I can understand that we are like kids in a candy store and want to sample all the goodies, but add more when you plateau and gains slow down.

Nice write brother,

Paul

 

[Thenewera]

Sticky vote.

I finally know what my first cycle will be.
Thank you puss man

 

[MindlessWork]

Great post @Wunderpus and this will be a great guide for those taking the plunge for the first time, like me. I feel this will be a good learning process.

 

[whoknew]

Bump

Excellent post brother, this will help any new guy that's serious. Simple and to the point. Im going to flame the next fucker that posts a retarted first cycle or has some retarted question that failed to read this thread.



He wrote on the bottom paragraph that this in not an end all, be all way to cycle. It's a very basic guide that you can't fuck up. Quality of the gear was never mentioned.

My bad bro, forget my stupid question.. just got excited

 

[Wunderpus]

Great post @Wunderpus and this will be a great guide for those taking the plunge for the first time, like me. I feel this will be a good learning process.

Please PM me if you have ANY questions or want to run any ideas past me, okay?

 

[MindlessWork]

Please PM me if you have ANY questions or want to run any ideas past me, okay?

Sure will do so and thanks.

 

[thoryamaha919]

Great stuff @Wunderpus. This does lay out a base for everything one should know when going into a first cycle. Certainly researching should still be done.

 

[revenge50]

Thanks for the info! I am getting my First Cycle plan ready but I'm still a little confused about HCG, most of people recommends to do it while on cycle (500ui per week) until last shot, but there is also Dr. Scallys PCT program which includes hcg... Am I missing something?

 

[Savagesteve]

A lot of people seem to struggle with what would be a good first, second and third cycle. In my opinion, less is always more and you ought to maximize your results with the minimal amount of drugs. Here is how you should structure your first few cycles:

First Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Arimidex .25mgs every other day
Run this for 12 weeks, then follow Scally's power PCT plan (this will be applied to all further cycles, if you plan to blast and cruise or stay on, that's your responsibility).

Now, after the first cycle your AI's (adex or aromasin, don't fuck with letro) will change depending on how your body aromatizes. This is why having your PCT drugs on hand before your cycle is helpful, in case gyno pops up you can start your nolva or ralox ASAP. Mid-cycle bloods will help you narrow down your AI dosages, as well.

Second Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Deca Durabolin 500mg's per week
Dianabol 50mg's/day for the first 4 weeks
Run this 12-16 weeks

Third Cycle, choose either to "cut" or to "bulk"-
Cut cycle-
Trenbolone Acetate start at 50mg's every other day, and increase by 50mg's EOD every 2 weeks until sides cannot be tolerated. Do NOT increase the amount until you have run that level for 2 weeks.
Testosterone propionate- 500mg's per week, you can opt to run it lower around 300 if you'd prefer.
Anavar at 100mg's/day or winstrol at 50mg's/day for either the first or last 4 weeks.
Run this up to 10 weeks.

Bulk cycle-
Testosterone Enanthate or Cyp. 750mg's/week
EQ 700mg's/week
Deca 500mg's/week
Anadrol100mg's/day for the first 3 weeks
Run this up to 16 weeks


Wrap up- THIS IS NOT the end all, be all way to cycle! This is what I recommend to friends, and it's worked well. This shit isn't rocket science, and it's a marathon, not a sprint. You should be "safe" with these cycles.

Also, learn how to diet and train before starting your cycling, trust me.

Great post brother as I was wondering how to run tren ace as I plan on running it in my next run. I was curious of what dosage to start at and you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Wunderpus]

Great post brother as I was wondering how to run tren ace as I plan on running it in my next run. I was curious of what dosage to start at and you hit the nail on the head.

Glad I could be of some assistance!

 

[thecptnmorgan]

A lot of people seem to struggle with what would be a good first, second and third cycle. In my opinion, less is always more and you ought to maximize your results with the minimal amount of drugs. Here is how you should structure your first few cycles:

First Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Arimidex .25mgs every other day
Run this for 12 weeks, then follow Scally's power PCT plan (this will be applied to all further cycles, if you plan to blast and cruise or stay on, that's your responsibility).

Now, after the first cycle your AI's (adex or aromasin, don't fuck with letro) will change depending on how your body aromatizes. This is why having your PCT drugs on hand before your cycle is helpful, in case gyno pops up you can start your nolva or ralox ASAP. Mid-cycle bloods will help you narrow down your AI dosages, as well.

Second Cycle-
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500mg's per week
Deca Durabolin 500mg's per week
Dianabol 50mg's/day for the first 4 weeks
Run this 12-16 weeks

Third Cycle, choose either to "cut" or to "bulk"-
Cut cycle-
Trenbolone Acetate start at 50mg's every other day, and increase by 50mg's EOD every 2 weeks until sides cannot be tolerated. Do NOT increase the amount until you have run that level for 2 weeks.
Testosterone propionate- 500mg's per week, you can opt to run it lower around 300 if you'd prefer.
Anavar at 100mg's/day or winstrol at 50mg's/day for either the first or last 4 weeks.
Run this up to 10 weeks.

Bulk cycle-
Testosterone Enanthate or Cyp. 750mg's/week
EQ 700mg's/week
Deca 500mg's/week
Anadrol100mg's/day for the first 3 weeks
Run this up to 16 weeks


Wrap up- THIS IS NOT the end all, be all way to cycle! This is what I recommend to friends, and it's worked well. This shit isn't rocket science, and it's a marathon, not a sprint. You should be "safe" with these cycles.

Also, learn how to diet and train before starting your cycling, trust me.

Can you point me in the direction of this scallys power pct having a little trouble finding the thread