Testing12
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@Sk8man101 . You mean all those swole dudes that swear they are all natty? Couldn't be
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J007
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I too was diagnosed almost 10 years ago with low T. It's been very challenging, but managed to work thru it 
Welcome!
Welcome!
"Low T" at such a young age how unusual and what was the final DX and suggested TX?
What was your TT level?
What was your TT level?
Right so you have decided YOURE the only one qualified and decided "self treatment" is the only viable option?
Or is self prescribed TRT your excuse for living "dangerously".
Dude wake TFU bc TRT is a medically indicated means of maintaining PHYSIOLOGIC TT levels while what you are describing is CYCLING.
And for the sake of others on Meso who are on legitimate TRT, educate yourself before criticizing HCP bc you want to live dangerously and they refuse to be a part!
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J007
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Thank you Dr Jim for the message.
Started hard cycles in my dumb teens (was the early 90's). Cycled on and off until in my early 30's tried to break away from gear, but my T levels stayed around 200's. In between I had success with PCT protocol, but couldn't keep my natural levels up.
Docs had me on AndroGel, then got back on Test @ 200mg/wk. I blasted a few times since.
Started hard cycles in my dumb teens (was the early 90's). Cycled on and off until in my early 30's tried to break away from gear, but my T levels stayed around 200's. In between I had success with PCT protocol, but couldn't keep my natural levels up.
Docs had me on AndroGel, then got back on Test @ 200mg/wk. I blasted a few times since.
And what does Blasting have to do with TRT, nothing except increasing the chances of long term HTPA suppression.
To that end if long term TRT is what you want then continue your current course
To that end if long term TRT is what you want then continue your current course
Tdflorida
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I just hold the doctors hand and make sure they do all the tests etc. If you get a doc that knows what they are doing and actually studied HRT, TRT thats great but when you go to a GP and say you have other symptoms or Depression and their only response is "take anti-depressants" you gotta ask, "Can you check my Test Levels?" then they look into TRT. Face it doctors are just like any other profession, some know what they are doing some are complete fucktards. Its easier to work with the fucktard if you know what your doing than having to find a new doctor and go through the fuckin hoops of the insurance industry all over again. Just hold their hand and be smart about it.
Testing12
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Not claiming to be an expert but this wasn't my first experience with trt. I lost my insurance and the only clinic I could find was trying to charge what I consider an outrageous amount. While I feel I would better under a physician care its not possible at this time.
Testing12
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And the doctor wasn't really trying to find the problem,just treat the symptoms
Oh so the best option is to abandon ship and treat yourself
rather than pursuing a qualified
Doc!
I mean were you evaluated by an Endo and he said what ---- you don't qualify for TRT--- BUT YOU KNOW BETTER --- really!
Nope I know better bc the fact is your one of many that use "low T" as justification for TRT and that usually means CYCLING at supraphysiologic TT levels.
The FACT is most Docs that prescribe TRT ollow generally accepted MEDICALL guidelines for TRT and if a patient does NOT qualify they don't qualify.
Oh but patients read blogs, forum and anti-aging non-evidence based TRT boards that often spew nonsense, and make every attempt to relate nonspecific signs and symptoms such as; depressed mood, fatigue, lower motivation, low libido, etc, etc to "lowT"
The end result is patients actually believe they KNOW more than their Doc, which IME is rarely the case.
The fact IS the OVERWHELING majority of Meso members use
TRT as an excuse to cycle AAS
and few are familiar with what is REQUIRED to evaluate, diagnose and appropriately treat those FEW patients with "low T".
Heck it matters not to me if members want to cycle AAS but get the story straight, so the advice being offered to others with respect to TRT is LEGIT, and that's rarely the case when "self treatment and/or diagnosis"
is the order of the day.
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J007
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Noted and always open to hear other's pov.
Other than subsiding from blasts, what is your suggestion to avoid long term HTPA suppression?
Testing12
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Well maybe you haven't read all my posts but my level was 115. I more than qualify and am doing doses in line with what a doc would prescribe. I haven't been giving other members any advice so although I believe in your thoughts I do not believe I am causing harm.
Cool now everyone knows when TRT is indicated --- it's ALL in a NUMBER!
And THAT is one of many "self diagnosis and treatment" fallacies, cookbook medicine that treats everyone the same regardless of, age signs, symptoms, medical history, causation or related hormonal levels.
And THAT is one of many "self diagnosis and treatment" fallacies, cookbook medicine that treats everyone the same regardless of, age signs, symptoms, medical history, causation or related hormonal levels.
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Testing12
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Not sure if you are trying to draw me into an argument but I can see that you feel very strongly on your views. Maybe you have a better alternative? If so please share it. If not I am here doing nothing more than sharing my personal experience.
Tdflorida
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Jesus Christ Jim chill out.
My view is straightforward, the initial DX and treatment of TRT should be rendered by a qualified HCP with periodic follow up.
Thereafter individualized adjustments in dosage or dosing interval is reasonable.
But I find it unsettling for Noobs
to post garbage like they "know more than their Docs" yet never
pursued a complete eval and decided "TRT was for me", bc their physicians
believed TRT was simply not indicated.
MOST of Meso's young members use "TRT" to "cruise" between cycles and certainly would not qualify bc the cause of their "low T" is the result of AIH, which improves or resolves in due course.
Such misinformation sends the WRONG message to others entering Meso for legitimate "low T" concerns as it negates the importance of a formal medical diagnosis and causation based therapy.
Testing12
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Well I see your point and do my best not to steer anyone in the wrong direction. Aside from that all I can say is I know my levels were low,I was previously following a doctor's treatment plan, and I feel better on test than without it.
Sk8man101
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IMO there is a difference between TRT and B&C.
These doctors went to medical school. 8-9 years of schooling and 4+ years of residency.
Most AAS users just read the forums for a few months and then think they are experts on the endocrine system.
These doctors went to medical school. 8-9 years of schooling and 4+ years of residency.
Most AAS users just read the forums for a few months and then think they are experts on the endocrine system.
