Please Critique Cycle

[Kelly Slater]

First Stats: 4 years of AAS usage under my belt, I usually run about 2 cycles per year, maybe three. 27 years old, 6'2" 247lbs about 14%bf

I plan on starting this cycle in about 1 month, Im still waiting on some goodies. My goal on this cycle is to just put on as much mass as possible, but trying to keep my current bodyfat %age.

Snake/arrow Dbol: 40mg/day weeks 1-5
Organon Sust (nile): 750mgs/wk weeks 1-12
Deca (qv300): 600mgs/wk weeks 1-12
Proviron (schering): 25mg/day weeks 1-14
Nolvadex (Nihfi): 20mg/day for entire cycle and during recovery
HCG (pregnyl): 1500iu's/EOD for 2 weeks starting at week 15
Clomid: 100mgs/day starting week 15 for 3 weeks

How's it look, any suggestions? More Test? More Proviron?

Peace...kelly

 

[joe shmoe]

it looks good bro. i dont know what your last cycle looked like or what your gains from it were, but if it was leass test and deca, then these doages will be fine. if your last cycle was similar, and you made good gains, then it still looks fine. you'll still make gains off that dose.

about the hCG...you'll want to run it before you start the clomid. have the hCG and the AAS clear about the same time...which should be right before you start clomid therapy. and i dont have any proof of this, but as a personal thing, i prefer hCG ED. 1000 iu's ED for 10 days should be fine. again, hCG should end as clomid starts.

have a nice day

 

[Iron Jay]

it looks good bro. i dont know what your last cycle looked like or what your gains from it were, but if it was leass test and deca, then these doages will be fine. if your last cycle was similar, and you made good gains, then it still looks fine. you'll still make gains off that dose.

about the hCG...you'll want to run it before you start the clomid. have the hCG and the AAS clear about the same time...which should be right before you start clomid therapy. and i dont have any proof of this, but as a personal thing, i prefer hCG ED. 1000 iu's ED for 10 days should be fine. again, hCG should end as clomid starts.

have a nice day

good post Joe about the HCG...Have them clear about the same time...As far as the deca I personally would end the deca a week earlier than the test, since it takes a lot longer to clear...Other than that, looks good...

 

[joe shmoe]

IronJay...while normally i would also say to stop the deca a bit sooner, do you think its needed since he's using sust? it'll be 3 weeks before he starts clomid. do you think he'd need more time than that for the deca to clear? curious on your thoughts.

have a nice day

 

[Kelly Slater]

Yeah guys, I planned on ending the Sust and deca at the same time because i was under the impressioin that they are both active for about 3 weeks after you last shot.

Also ive been reading up alot on HCG and starting therapy before the end of the cycle -- makes sence in a way. I dont know who said it (maybe Grizzly) but running hcg after you cycle is just like running your cycle longer. I think this time ill try running the hcg during the end of my cycle and then starting clomid therapy.

Also, as far as previoius cycles go, I usually ran 750mg of test a week, but never that high of a dose of dbol or deca/eq. Also, this is the first time ill ever be doing deca. Ive been lifting naturally for the past year now, and my joints are really starting to bother me with the heavy weight im up to.

Thanks guys

Peace...kelly

 

[jaysmithinwesson]

there isnt any need to run the nolv with all your other pct.

 

[THL]

First Stats: 4 years of AAS usage under my belt, I usually run about 2 cycles per year, maybe three. 27 years old, 6'2" 247lbs about 14%bf

I plan on starting this cycle in about 1 month, Im still waiting on some goodies. My goal on this cycle is to just put on as much mass as possible, but trying to keep my current bodyfat %age.

Snake/arrow Dbol: 40mg/day weeks 1-5
Organon Sust (nile): 750mgs/wk weeks 1-12
Deca (qv300): 600mgs/wk weeks 1-12
Proviron (schering): 25mg/day weeks 1-14
Nolvadex (Nihfi): 20mg/day for entire cycle and during recovery
HCG (pregnyl): 1500iu's/EOD for 2 weeks starting at week 15
Clomid: 100mgs/day starting week 15 for 3 weeks

How's it look, any suggestions? More Test? More Proviron?

Peace...kelly

I would still stop the deca earlier. Nandrolone is much more suppresive than testosterne; it will shut you down earlier and keep you shut down longer than test will, even at smaller doses. Broc Strassor wrote a piece about short cycles, and said that even though nandrolone phenylprop is fast acting, testing has showed that a single 100mg shot will shut you down for as long as 3 weeks. I will search for the article and post it here if I find it.

I take anti-e's for the entire cycle. Not only will it keep off the bloat, but the nolva will also improve your blood lipid profiles, which tend to get very bad while on the sauce.

I remember an article or post from Bill Roberts a couple of years ago that suggested that HCG can upregulate aromatase, which can and will cause gyno in those sensitive to it. For this reason, I've always taken nolva or clomid when I do HCG. May or may not be true, but even if it isn't, I can't see any reason why it would hurt to take the 2 at the same time. Better to be safe than sorry IMO.

 

[dude2003]

I just started a similar cycle, except I am going to do tren the last 4 weeks. What are the pros and cons of running nolva the whole cycle? I am already taking armidex eod.

 

[jaysmithinwesson]

I just started a similar cycle, except I am going to do tren the last 4 weeks. What are the pros and cons of running nolva the whole cycle? I am already taking armidex eod.

most will say dont use the nolv untill you need it. and with the dex i def wouldnt.

 

[brasco]

my opinion

First Stats: 4 years of AAS usage under my belt, I usually run about 2 cycles per year, maybe three. 27 years old, 6'2" 247lbs about 14%bf

I plan on starting this cycle in about 1 month, Im still waiting on some goodies. My goal on this cycle is to just put on as much mass as possible, but trying to keep my current bodyfat %age.

Snake/arrow Dbol: 40mg/day weeks 1-5
Organon Sust (nile): 750mgs/wk weeks 1-12
Deca (qv300): 600mgs/wk weeks 1-12
Proviron (schering): 25mg/day weeks 1-14
Nolvadex (Nihfi): 20mg/day for entire cycle and during recovery
HCG (pregnyl): 1500iu's/EOD for 2 weeks starting at week 15
Clomid: 100mgs/day starting week 15 for 3 weeks

How's it look, any suggestions? More Test? More Proviron?

Peace...kelly

My sugestion go with sust. 1000 mg, with all that nolva, proviron, hcg you will be way to safe, or lover that deca. Definetly stop deca week 8.
I did 1500 omna with 1 tab nolva+ 1 tab arimidex and i was ok, no gyno at all, little water retention

HCG doses over 1000 IU are noted for their tendency to cause or aggravate gynecomastia, and also act to desensitize the testicles to LH.
Never tried but 500 ED is the dose I will take in 2 months.

Ok have fun and stay healthy

Brasco