Poll: all opinions welcome, FASTED CARDIO?

[Thegodofdick]

As of 3 weeks I am in keto again. I only have time to workout between 3 am and 530 am. I usually drink my pwo w/creatine then I lift or run. So my question is: Would this be considered fasted or not?
I searched fasted cardio there are only 2 threads. But this is a poll. I enjoy working out on an empty stomach more than a fat and bloated feeling while deep into a heavy squat/having to go mid session.

 

[Xlgx]

Eating before is not fasted training.what you may consider doing is backloading your meal pre bed. This will hopefully give you the nutrients to power through a morning training session. Pre wo would be something with stimulants and no calories. Like a cup of black coffee.

 

[Eman]

What is the purpose of you training or doing cardio fasted? If it's just so you aren't bloated, either eat something different that digests well or don't eat anything at all since you specified you feel better that way... Which kind of blows my mind because no one feels better training with no fuel.

However, if you think you're going to get some fat burning benefits from working out fasted - you're not. Time and time again the research shows that it's overall calories that matter, fasted or fed cardio/training doesn't make any significant difference. I would even go so far as to argue that it'll be counterproductive because you can't train at 110% with no fuel.

The only exception to this is inserting certain drugs that work more effectively in a fasted state, like HGH or yohimbine... The latter really doesn't work at all after you've eaten. But even then, we're just talking about taking those compounds and then doing some LISS cardio... Not an intense session of deadlifts.

 

[Thegodofdick]

What is the purpose of you training or doing cardio fasted? If it's just so you aren't bloated, either eat something different that digests well or don't eat anything at all since you specified you feel better that way... Which kind of blows my mind because no one feels better training with no fuel.

However, if you think you're going to get some fat burning benefits from working out fasted - you're not. Time and time again the research shows that it's overall calories that matter, fasted or fed cardio/training doesn't make any significant difference. I would even go so far as to argue that it'll be counterproductive because you can't train at 110% with no fuel.

The only exception to this is inserting certain drugs that work more effectively in a fasted state, like HGH or yohimbine... The latter really doesn't work at all after you've eaten. But even then, we're just talking about taking those compounds and then doing some LISS cardio... Not an intense session of deadlifts.

Ok I'm not intentionally fasting. But I don't eat before I exercise. Also I do have dinner before bed, so I'm not starving, aside from Keto, I'm generally not hungry first thing in the morning when I make it to the gym but as it's pretty early I still take the pre workout. When I had more time later in the day I would eat before lifting 30 minutes for a light snack and an hour if I had a full meal, also hunger some times sets in before I finish and yeah it's not great but it's not as bad as when I have a heavy carb fueled diet. Keto keeps me satiated longer. I repeat I do not want fasted cardio/workout I just wanted to know if you would consider it fasted, . As to whay i am taking it has

40 calories
10 g carbs
5 mg sodium

 

[Thegodofdick]

Too much heres a label

 

[Eman]

Ok I'm not intentionally fasting. But I don't eat before I exercise. Also I do have dinner before bed, so I'm not starving, aside from Keto, I'm generally not hungry first thing in the morning when I make it to the gym but as it's pretty early I still take the pre workout. When I had more time later in the day I would eat before lifting 30 minutes for a light snack and an hour if I had a full meal, also hunger some times sets in before I finish and yeah it's not great but it's not as bad as when I have a heavy carb fueled diet. Keto keeps me satiated longer. I repeat I do not want fasted cardio/workout I just wanted to know if you would consider it fasted, . As to whay i am taking it has

40 calories
10 g carbs
5 mg sodium

So the point of this thread is whether you're working out fasted or not, but it makes no difference to you either way? You've lost me dude.

I consider it a fasted workout when you've not eaten within 4-5 hours. But even that is kind of a falsehood because I think science or religion will tell you much longer... A 24hr period or more.

 

[Dr JIM]

Fasting w exercise = catabolism !

 

[Thegodofdick]

Yeah. So I wanted opinions, it's just a poll. I was curious, is there any harm in asking?

 

[Thegodofdick]

Fasting w exercise = catabolism !

Yeah is this considered that?

 

[Dr JIM]

You've lost me dude.

@Eman the OP is “experimenting”

 

[Docd187123]

Yeah is this considered that?

I wouldn’t worry about the catabolism from fasted training. The body tends to supercompensate at the next meal.

 

[Dr JIM]

I wouldn’t worry about the catabolism from fasted training. The body tends to supercompensate at the next meal.

Agreed depending upon how long the fasted state is, and what the OP is doing is anything but “fasting”, and doesn’t require a pole LOL!

 

[Docd187123]

Agreed depending upon how long the fasted state is, and what the OP is doing is anything but “fasting”, and doesn’t require a pole LOL!

For sure. I wouldn’t train fasted then wait another 12 or 16hrs to eat but if I do have to train fasted for whatever reason, I’ll try and get some protein and carbs in me at the minimum within a couple hours max

 

[Dr JIM]

Yeah is this considered that?

You could always run a pole

 

[Docd187123]

Agreed depending upon how long the fasted state is, and what the OP is doing is anything but “fasting”, and doesn’t require a pole LOL!

Here is the study I’m referring to. I don’t have full access to the paper anymore so going only off the abstract and what my memory remembers when I did read the full study. Maybe you can get access to it?



The present study aimed at comparing the responses of myogenic regulatory factors and signaling pathways involved in muscle protein synthesis after a resistance training session performed in either the fasted or fed state. According to a randomized crossover study design, six young male subjects participated in two experimental sessions separated by 3 weeks. In each session, they performed a standardized resistance training. After the sessions, they received during a 4-h recovery period 6 ml/kg b.w. h of a solution containing carbohydrates (50 g/l), protein hydrolysate (33 g/l), and leucine (16.6 g/l). On one occasion, the resistance exercise session was performed after the intake of a carbohydrate-rich breakfast (B), whereas in the other session they remained fasted (F). Needle biopsies from m. vastus lateralis were obtained before (Rest), and 1 h (+1h) and 4 h (+4h) after exercise. Myogenin, MRF4, and MyoD1 mRNA contents were determined by RT-PCR. Phosphorylation of PKB (protein kinase B), GSK3, p70s6k (p70 ribosomal S6 kinase), eIF2B, eEF2 (eukaryotic elongation factor 2), ERK1/2, and p38 was measured via western blotting. Compared with F, the pre-exercise phosphorylation states of PKB and p70s6k were higher in B, whereas those of eIF2B and eEF2 were lower. During recovery, the phosphorylation state of p70s6kwas lower in B than in F (p = 0.02). There were no differences in basal mRNA contents between B and F. However, compared with F at +1h, MyoD1 and MRF4 mRNA contents were lower in B (p < 0.05). Our results indicate that prior fasting may stimulate the intramyocellular anabolic response to ingestion of a carbohydrate/protein/leucine mixture following a heavy resistance training session.

Increased p70s6k phosphorylation during intake of a protein–carbohydrate drink following resistance exercise in the fasted state

 

[Dr JIM]

Anabolic recovery should be expected under such limited conditions as those imposed by the authors of this study.