Positive DHB brewing experience

[HannibalSelector]

Just did a 10ml test batch. I used 1.15g of DHB. Fully melted at 195*C, and used 18% BB, 1% BA, and carrier is 28% EO and 72% MCT.

Left the stirrer on for 10 minutes at 50*C.

Zero PIP from my first two injections. Holding fine after 48 hours in a 65*F house.

 

[Sssxc]

Just did a 10ml test batch. I used 1.15g of DHB. Fully melted at 195*C, and used 18% BB, 1% BA, and carrier is 28% EO and 72% MCT.

Left the stirrer on for 10 minutes at 50*C.

Zero PIP from my first two injections. Holding fine after 48 hours in a 65*F house.

You melted it at almost 200 degrees..?
Why...?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I saw that DHB melting point was 150 C

 

[Sssxc]

Isn't the whole purpose of using BB is to reduce the melting point and dissolve the hormone?

 

[HannibalSelector]

Looking at the spec sheets online, I saw 195-200 for the melting point. Any time that I’ve had issues with solution stability, I’ve found that fully melting the compound and then reducing heat and adding in the solvent promoted better binding and stability

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Isn't the whole purpose of using BB is to reduce the melting point and dissolve the hormone?

The melting point is due to the nature of the molecule or the compound... (Testosterone base and Testosterone Enanthate have different melting point because Test Enanth is a compound between 2 molecules and the final compound have different properties than original molecules, but the test base molecule where the enanthate ester is bonded will have the same properties of the unbonded test base, but since is a compound because is bonded to an ester, it can go in solution even that bonded testosterone is far away from its melting point)

if test base or stanozolol or oxymetholone melt at over 130 C, its because of their chemical structure.

I read that DHB has a meltin point of 150 C, maybe is wrong.. maybe is right... the less heat you use, the best..

BB is a solubilizer... and as far as I know it doesnt change the compound’s properties, anyway it seems you did overcome DHB’s melting point..

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Looking at the spec sheets online, I saw 195-200 for the melting point. Any time that I’ve had issues with solution stability, I’ve found that fully melting the compound and then reducing heat and adding in the solvent promoted better binding and stability

i found that 196 or 200 C in a chinese site called Steroid something.. they can write what they want.. I wont trust them even regard what can they say about H2O..

i found that information on chemicalbook.com that it seemed to me kinda reliable.. maybe even that site is a scam Chinese bunk steroids vendors shitty site i didnt properly checked it

 

[Sssxc]

The melting point is due to the nature of the molecule or the compound... (Testosterone base and Testosterone Enanthate have different melting point because Test Enanth is a compound between 2 molecules and the final compound have different properties than original molecules, but the test base molecule where the enanthate ester is bonded will have the same properties of the unbonded test base, but since is a compound because is bonded to an ester, it can go in solution even that bonded testosterone is far away from its melting point)

if test base or stanozolol or oxymetholone melt at over 130 C, its because of their chemical structure.

I read that DHB has a meltin point of 150 C, maybe is wrong.. maybe is right... the less heat you use, the best..

BB is a solubilizer... and as far as I know it doesnt change the compound’s properties, anyway it seems you did overcome DHB’s melting point..
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It does change the compounds melting point as the raws melt and dissolve in the BB...

Guaiacol would dissolve it easier again as it reduces the melting point moreso.

Isn't this the reason some brewers dont bother using BB in test e as the melting point is so low already..?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Uhm... maybe youre right... anyway 190 C for DHB it seems too high.. on that chemicalbook i read 150 C.. and i would stay way far from that.. maybe 100.. you dont need to reach crazy high temp to get something in solution

 

[Sssxc]

Uhm... maybe youre right... anyway 190 C for DHB it seems too high.. on that chemicalbook i read 150 C.. and i would stay way far from that.. maybe 100.. you dont need to reach crazy high temp to get something in solution

I never go anywhere near 50 degrees, let alone 100 degrees.

Hormones degrade remember...

 

[Iron Vett]

Just did a 10ml test batch. I used 1.15g of DHB. Fully melted at 195*C, and used 18% BB, 1% BA, and carrier is 28% EO and 72% MCT.

Left the stirrer on for 10 minutes at 50*C.

Zero PIP from my first two injections. Holding fine after 48 hours in a 65*F house.

Uhm... maybe youre right... anyway 190 C for DHB it seems too high.. on that chemicalbook i read 150 C.. and i would stay way far from that.. maybe 100.. you dont need to reach crazy high temp to get something in solution

I never go anywhere near 50 degrees, let alone 100 degrees.

Hormones degrade remember...

My DHB recipe is 1%ba/22%bb. Add hormone at 100mg/ml with no overdose, since it likes to crash, to 22%bb and then heat and stir. With this method all hormone will go into solution without going over 160F. Then I add my 1%ba and top off to desired ml with 50/50 MCT/EO. Doing it this way keeps the temps a lot lower than just melting the pure hormone

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

My DHB recipe is 1%ba/22%bb. Add hormone at 100mg/ml with no overdose, since it likes to crash, to 22%bb and then heat and stir. With this method all hormone will go into solution without going over 160F. Then I add my 1%ba and top off to desired ml with 50/50 MCT/EO. Doing it this way keeps the temps a lot lower than just melting the pure hormone

Respect

 

[TRT@40]

My DHB recipe is 1%ba/22%bb. Add hormone at 100mg/ml with no overdose, since it likes to crash, to 22%bb and then heat and stir. With this method all hormone will go into solution without going over 160F. Then I add my 1%ba and top off to desired ml with 50/50 MCT/EO. Doing it this way keeps the temps a lot lower than just melting the pure hormone

Hey brother, I use similar steps as your DHB recipe when brewing in general except I also preheat the carrier oil in a separate beaker before pouring it into the mix of raw and BB.
Previously, I think you were using guac in your DHB recipe. Did you find that addition of guac is not necessary or did it make a difference for pip?
BTW, your avi is very distracting to me, in a good way Are those natural or enhanced?

 

[Iron Vett]

Hey brother, I use similar steps as your DHB recipe when brewing in general except I also preheat the carrier oil in a separate beaker before pouring it into the mix of raw and BB.
Previously, I think you were using guac in your DHB recipe. Did you find that addition of guac is not necessary or did it make a difference for pip?
BTW, your avi is very distracting to me, in a good way Are those natural or enhanced?

I quit using guac when I upped the BB to 22%. It just stinks too much. It will crash a little if it gets pretty cold without the guac

@TRT@40 yes they were very distracting to me as well LOL. They are enhanced. But she was too far over in the crazy matrix. Had to step away…

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

It doesnt lower the melting point it makes it go into solution at lower temperatures. Solubility usually increases with heat. I made dhb and test cyp mix at 100/100. It wouldnt hold at 117f so I kept adding bb and it wouldnt go into solution. After some reading about solvent I cranked up the heat to around 160-170f and it went right in no problem still holding a few hours later. So it ended up being 1ba 25bb

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

It doesnt lower the melting point it makes it go into solution at lower temperatures. Solubility usually increases with heat. I made dhb and test cyp mix at 100/100. It wouldnt hold at 117f so I kept adding bb and it wouldnt go into solution. After some reading about solvent I cranked up the heat to around 160-170f and it went right in no problem still holding a few hours later. So it ended up being 1ba 25bb

A couple more things. So since solubility increased with the temp I never reached the actual melting point of the cyp or the dhb so no degredation took place. so ya dont gotta melt em to make em. In hind sight I probably couldve used less solvent

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Update.
It got cold that night and crashed. I ordered some guaiacol. How much should I add? I didnt add the oil yet either I wonder if that would add solubility