Prami or Caber for opiate withdrawal? Not sure if this fits here but yea....

[InFlames]

So my buddy is addicted to pain pills. Been about 10 years now. Oxycodone. He's tried to quit many times with no success. But he's always tried cold turkey. I know exactly how this feels because I myself had a run with hydrocodone for about a year. I hurt my back. Was better after a week but kept going back to the doc and he just kept giving them to me. My fault. My choice. But I stopped. My buddy being a 10 year addict he's going to need something to get him off this shit. He doesn't want to go to a treatment center because that will affect his job.... Regardless of the FMLA they will still do something to him. Because of our career field. He basically takes them to feel normal now he says. So he's not high at work, at least that's what he tells me. But who knows what the truth is. Cause I did the same thing. Told people oh I'm not high and I was high as shit....
So after reading about Caber and Prami how they increase Dopamine levels to reduce prolactin. Wouldn't they work to increase dopamine rapidly after stopping opiates? Or am I thinking about this the wrong way?

I posted a thread a while back about Kratom that got hell lol. But said my buddy was able to stop the pills using it. Well he did. But then went back to them and recently came to me asking if there is anything else. And it hit me about the caber and Prami how it works. So before telling him to try it. I wanted to get opinions on if this is possible. Cause he obviously doesn't need it for prolactin.

 

[Thaistick]

Prami and caber aren't going to help. Kratom is a great way to wean off without getting dopesick. Cbd oils helped too. Been there done that.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

He needs to get his priorities straight. He's just going to continue the vicious cycle of sober to addict and back again.

To be honest, i don't know many guys outside of Meso that were able to walk away from this habit. Most are still scrounging for pills or are taking maintenance drugs to get through the day.

If he can't enter a treatment facility, he should at least attempt to ween himself off. Not an easy thing to do. i tried and failed many times because the temptation to get high was stronger than my desire to continue cutting the dose down.

Eventually he will (god willing) realize that this habit will be the death of him, in one way or another. His desire to get clean has to be stronger than his desire to get high.

 

[The Terminator]

Nah dude that’s a terrible idea, I mean for more mild dependency cocaine or methamphetamine can kind of mask the withdrawals for a little bit, like a few hours but will end up magnifying it. If he is truly ready to quit he can try subs, they can be used for a more rapid taper and can get them thru an outpatient setting. And yes you can quite easily get to the point where you feel absolutely nothing but normal on opioids, but a lot of people don’t have a near endless supply so they are going thru withdrawals half the time so when the use they get high.

 

[Thaistick]

NA or AA or some similar program can help a lot too.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

My doctor prescribed me Requip for my withdrawals a long time ago. It works a similar way as prami or caber. Doesn’t lower prolactin. All three of these pretty much help with the restless legs part of the withdrawals. That’s about it. It’s still gonna be hell. I promise you that.

 

[Eman]

He doesn't want to go to a treatment center because that will affect his job.... Regardless of the FMLA they will still do something to him. Because of our career field.

I don't know your career field but it's pretty hard to punish an employee for addiction unless there is negligence involved. Even with negligence it can be pretty difficult... I've sat in hearings where I was asked if and how the employee was supposed to know if he was breaking a rule when he was caught with illicit drugs.

Regardless, he may just need to decide if he wants to have his job affected now or later. At least if he chooses the treatment now, it'll be on his terms and he'll be going about it in a positive way. That is viewed in a very positive light on the legal side of employment. Even if he were fired, he'd almost certainly be eligible for unemployment benefits. If he tries kicking on his own, which was unsuccessful before and probably will be again, he might not have a choice with treatment as the addiction continues. Going willingly to treatment instead of being a continued liability at his job seems like a better scenario.

 

[Havah]

So my buddy is addicted to pain pills. Been about 10 years now. Oxycodone. He's tried to quit many times with no success. But he's always tried cold turkey. I know exactly how this feels because I myself had a run with hydrocodone for about a year. I hurt my back. Was better after a week but kept going back to the doc and he just kept giving them to me. My fault. My choice. But I stopped. My buddy being a 10 year addict he's going to need something to get him off this shit. He doesn't want to go to a treatment center because that will affect his job.... Regardless of the FMLA they will still do something to him. Because of our career field. He basically takes them to feel normal now he says. So he's not high at work, at least that's what he tells me. But who knows what the truth is. Cause I did the same thing. Told people oh I'm not high and I was high as shit....
So after reading about Caber and Prami how they increase Dopamine levels to reduce prolactin. Wouldn't they work to increase dopamine rapidly after stopping opiates? Or am I thinking about this the wrong way?

I posted a thread a while back about Kratom that got hell lol. But said my buddy was able to stop the pills using it. Well he did. But then went back to them and recently came to me asking if there is anything else. And it hit me about the caber and Prami how it works. So before telling him to try it. I wanted to get opinions on if this is possible. Cause he obviously doesn't need it for prolactin.

Short answer is no unfortunately

One has to be actively looking for and working toward quitting, popping another pill to try and solve that issue is doomed to fail

 

[InFlames]

I don't know your career field but it's pretty hard to punish an employee for addiction unless there is negligence involved. Even with negligence it can be pretty difficult... I've sat in hearings where I was asked if and how the employee was supposed to know if he was breaking a rule when he was caught with illicit drugs.

Regardless, he may just need to decide if he wants to have his job affected now or later. At least if he chooses the treatment now, it'll be on his terms and he'll be going about it in a positive way. That is viewed in a very positive light on the legal side of employment. Even if he were fired, he'd almost certainly be eligible for unemployment benefits. If he tries kicking on his own, which was unsuccessful before and probably will be again, he might not have a choice with treatment as the addiction continues. Going willingly to treatment instead of being a continued liability at his job seems like a better scenario.

They won't out right punish him. But he will be put in another section of the career field. Basically a desk job for a while.....is what he is thinking. And he doesn't want that.


So basically the answer is no it's not a good idea. Thanks guys. Sorry I haven't been on here in a bit. Appreciate your help.
Like I said he tried Kratom and was able to quit the pills for a good while. Probably a year I think....it's been a while. But he came to me and said I fucked up.... basically and went back to the pills and now the Kratom isn't working cause his body has a tolerance to it cause he has done it now. I was pretty disappointed when he told me cause I was kinda proud I helped the dude kick a 10 year habit with Kratom. But I told him get off the pills with kratom and then taper down off the Kratom.....don't keep taking it to get high. That's just switching on addiction for the next. He obviously needs to stop everything. He said he got to a point where the Kratom wasn't working anymore and went back to the pills. So basically he was using the Kratom to get high with excessive dosages and it stopped working so he went back to the pills. Sucks cause I know how it feels like I said I went thru it for about a year. Pain pills are hell, cause they are fairly easy to get an RX for and the docs just keep giving them out. Which it's totally his and my fault for continuing to go back to the doc to get a refill. That's a choice. But I was able to stop.... thankfully. I can't imagine being in his position of 10 plus years. He's gonna need help.

Thanks guys!

 

[InFlames]

Prami and caber aren't going to help. Kratom is a great way to wean off without getting dopesick. Cbd oils helped too. Been there done that.

Yea I use Kratom on weekends. It actually saved me from a bottle of vodka a day habit. I haven't drank since I found kratom. Which now I've got it to where I only take it on the weekends. Like as someone would drink. Sometimes during the week if I've had a rough day and just want to relax. But for the most part on weekends.

Like I said In my OP, I told him about Kratom and he didn't believe it would work. So I bought him a couple bags online and 2 weeks later he came to me all happy that he hadn't taken any pills. Which was awesome. But turns out he switched from a pill addiction to Kratom addiction. I told him to taper off the Kratom and get his brain back producing it's own dopamine for a while and then just take Kratom on weekends, like I do. That was the plan. I wasn't keeping on top of him cause he's a grown man and makes his own choices. But turns out he was taking Kratom at high doses to feel the opiate high. And when it stopped giving him that feeling he went back to the pills. I told him to give Kratom another shot, but he's saying it's not helping like it did before. Obviously because he was taking high doses of the Kratom and probably has now saturated his system. So it won't ever feel like the first time.

He needs help. Sucks cause I was pretty damn proud that I helped the dude. But I didn't know what was really going on.

 

[Thaistick]

You're being a good friend. It's very difficult dealing with an addict. Be prepared to get screwed over a few times. Kratom withdrawal is nowhere as bad as heroin or any pills in my experience. It all sucks, but.... .

 

[str8edge73]

What brand and stran did u start your buddy off on?
I know sometimes you must switch strains to get the same therapeutic outcome, and some brands and strains are not reliable on quality.