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[readalot]

I want to say no amount of plastic is acceptable and throw away what I have, then wait for a vendor to make cleaner products. I know the answer is brew my own but I don't have the time for that and can't prioritize it over other responsibilities I have right now.
The throw away comment may sound dramatic but it's frustrating to have spent all this money and to have to question, or know for a fact, that I am injecting one-tenth to half-a-ml of plastic or whatever, per vial.

...speaking of priorities I recall people talking about rather not having the price go up by a buck or two per vial to upgrade the equipment to non-leeching plastic. Seems absolutely insane (to me) to not want an improvement for such a low cost. I'd pay an additional $10 per vial no problem for the right stoppers, filters, etc. and the testing.
It's been said before but if you don't want that product at the slightly increased price point go buy from the dozens of existing vendors or just buy chinese if you don't care. Why try to impede progress of there being one or two vendors who separate themselves from the pack.
Call it "boutique" or 'bougie" but count me in.

These results make me think about recent findings of cadavers and finding microplastics in their testicles. I'd hate to see the results of a multi year/decade steroid user.

Super happy to see people like @Photon and @readalot and others pushing for improvement (I donated to the specialized fund for what it's worth and props to Primal as well for his efforts) but also bummed to see them taking a step back in their testing roles. Totally understandable because their efforts often go unnoticed or worse people talk shit to them. A good example is when the tren color results came back. People saying shit like "oh look it didn't prove what you wanted"...it's like fuck you! You wouldn't know that without them doing the damn testing!!! A person may want the testing to confirm suspicions but you don't know anything without the results...even if they don't go in your favor...and that is great because at least we KNOW something.

Ugh...I often see so much pushback on here and I commend the other guys for being able to deal with it much better than I would.
I hope further product improvements are made for the sake of harm reduction and again I'm thankful for all the guys pushing for it.

LFG!!

 

[readalot]

PVDF can only be used for low BB solutions, you cant use for high concentration oils and def not injectable orals or TNE. The filter will leech.
PTFE is best, but can be difficult to source.
Nylon is in between.

You want bottle top filters that use polypropylene.
Something like these (you have to source around).

Bottletop
0.22um, Nylon, polypropylene

Autofil Solvent Resistant PP Bottle-Top Filter, 1000mL, Nylon, 0.22um, Single

Autofil PP Disposable Vacuum Bottle-Top Filter for Solvent Filtration, 1000mL, Nylon, 0.22um, 325-5241-FLS

www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com

0.2um, Nylon, polypropylene
ZapCap-CR (Chemical resistant)
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/product/aldrich/z222593


Capsule filter
0.2um, PTFE, polypropylene

Whatman Polycap TF 36 Capsule Filter, 0.2um, PTFE, Sterile, 6700-3602

Buy Whatman Polycap TF 36 Capsule Filter, 0.2um, PTFE, Sterile, 6700-3602 Capsule Filters online at Med Lab Supply. Buy vacuum & Peristaltic Pumps online, ships same day!

www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com

You do NOT want anything with polystyrene
(Vast majority is polystyrene. if you don't know, it's polystyrene)
e.g below.

Ks-Tek PVDF

12PCS Sterile Bottle Top Vacuum Filtration with 0.22/0.45μm PVDF Hydro

★★★ Ks-Tek disposable Vacuum Filtration units are very useful in large volume samples separation and purification for tissue culture media, biological fluids and fixation buffers. ★★★ Designed to fit plastic or glass media bottles with 45mm neck sizes.Manufactured in North America to the...

ks-tek.com

Millipore PVDF
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/product/mm/s2gvt05re

ZapCap S-PLUS

Whatman GVS 10443430 ZapCap-S PLUS Bottle top Filter, CA/GF 0.2 µm, 76mm, 500mL Reservoir, Sterile, 12/pk

ZapCap-S PLUS / Sterile, Cellulose Acetate (CA) (CA) with glass fiber prefilter Membrane, 0.2µm, Polystyrene housing, 12/pkZapCap(TM) Bottle-Top Filters:. For filtration of medium volumes;. Can be used up to 50degC.. ZapCaps are complete 500 mL units with tubing for attaching to bottle tops. The...

www.dscbalances.com

30 minutes at 50 C when exposed to BA/BB
View attachment 345121
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.3c08154

As of now there is no way to test for polystyrene or melted filters..but I'm hoping things will change in future..or not..or maybe vendors should start selling unfiltered oils instead..

Hope this helps.

BUMP!!

 

[Ghoul]

These are ok. As you know you can get the Flurotec ones "expired" for even cheaper per unit. Not that they are going to expire before we do.

That's a "shelf" expiration date. Last date the manufacturer will guarantee dimensional conformity (automated manufacturing requires ultra precise specs or the machines can have issues). It's only 2-3 years

Not a "the stopper breaks down by" date.

Once installed in a vial there is no expiration date, interestingly.

 

[readalot]

 

[Dial It In]

I want to say no amount of plastic is acceptable and throw away what I have, then wait for a vendor to make cleaner products. I know the answer is brew my own but I don't have the time for that and can't prioritize it over other responsibilities I have right now.
The throw away comment may sound dramatic but it's frustrating to have spent all this money and to have to question, or know for a fact, that I am injecting one-tenth to half-a-ml of plastic or whatever, per vial.

...speaking of priorities I recall people talking about rather not having the price go up by a buck or two per vial to upgrade the equipment to non-leeching plastic. Seems absolutely insane (to me) to not want an improvement for such a low cost. I'd pay an additional $10 per vial no problem for the right stoppers, filters, etc. and the testing.
It's been said before but if you don't want that product at the slightly increased price point go buy from the dozens of existing vendors or just buy chinese if you don't care. Why try to impede progress of there being one or two vendors who separate themselves from the pack.
Call it "boutique" or 'bougie" but count me in.

These results make me think about recent findings of cadavers and finding microplastics in their testicles. I'd hate to see the results of a multi year/decade steroid user.

Super happy to see people like @Photon and @readalot and others pushing for improvement (I donated to the specialized fund for what it's worth and props to Primal as well for his efforts) but also bummed to see them taking a step back in their testing roles. Totally understandable because their efforts often go unnoticed or worse people talk shit to them. A good example is when the tren color results came back. People saying shit like "oh look it didn't prove what you wanted"...it's like fuck you! You wouldn't know that without them doing the damn testing!!! A person may want the testing to confirm suspicions but you don't know anything without the results...even if they don't go in your favor...and that is great because at least we KNOW something.

Ugh...I often see so much pushback on here and I commend the other guys for being able to deal with it much better than I would.
I hope further product improvements are made for the sake of harm reduction and again I'm thankful for all the guys pushing for it.

If I am getting a better product with less risk of containments because of a better vial, stopper or allowing the source to buy better equipment for a few extra bucks a vial then so be it. I can’t afford to pay that few extra bucks then I probably shouldn’t even be playing the game. If they are going to raise prices then post the improvements. Get the test done, post the stoppers, show your auto clave the flow hood etc… Of course I don’t have to buy if I feel like they aren’t up to my standard and that’s okay I’ll go somewhere else. But as you are saying if some are pushing for improvements and others don’t like it then fuck em. I can’t speak for everyone and won’t attempt to do so but if I can drop 500-1000 on gear then an extra 50-100 on an order for improvements is worth while.

 

[Mastedon]

@Primal_Pharma I'm willing to send $300 to help push forward the swap of the filters and stoppers. I'm sure it would have been way more to get into homebrewing. On top of that once it's done and the testing is back showing the product is clean, I'll replace my whole stash with only your products.
I just need one vendor to do this and I'm all yours

 

[readalot]

@Primal_Pharma I'm willing to send $300 to help push forward the swap of the filters and stoppers. I'm sure it would have been way more to get into homebrewing. On top of that once it's done and the testing is back showing the product is clean, I'll replace my whole stash with only your products.
I just need one vendor to do this and I'm all yours

 

[readalot]

@Primal_Pharma I'm willing to send $300 to help push forward the swap of the filters and stoppers. I'm sure it would have been way more to get into homebrewing. On top of that once it's done and the testing is back showing the product is clean, I'll replace my whole stash with only your products.
I just need one vendor to do this and I'm all yours

+1

I'm in. Put up or shut the F up time.

Don't make a stand now then don't expect nice things later.

Those raws have to be inspected. Not just HPLC.

Use right materials for the job.

Change the standard.

 

[Mastedon]

+1

I'm in. Put up or shut the F up time.

Don't make a stand now then dont expect nice things later.

Those raws have to be inspected. Not just HPLC.

 

[readalot]

It's been said before but if you don't want that product at the slightly increased price point go buy from the dozens of existing vendors or just buy chinese if you don't care. Why try to impede progress of there being one or two vendors who separate themselves from the pack.

Been trying to understand this for a couple of years now. You know where it comes from, right?

 

[readalot]

We are entering with a clear purpose: to set a higher standard and lead the way in performance supplementation.

 

[Photon]

It's the weekend guys.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

F that. Selfish as fuck. Get in here @Primal_Pharma and continue what you started out to do. Change the game!

@Photon shared the bottle top filters to use.

Switch those caps.

HPLC plus GCMS on raws and finished product.

Charge more. I will happily pay more and others have shared their thoughts as well.

Continue to be the change. Your testing reimbursement can't be beat.

Super selfish. FUCK that. We’re going to be THEE go-to source (if we aren’t already).

Sorry boys, been driving all day but we’ll get everything we need ordered ASAP.

 

[Mastedon]

Been trying to understand this for a couple of years now. You know where it comes from, right?

It's got to be more than just penny pinching (which is fine, people are at different places in their lives and there exists a product suited to their ability and preference, like literally anything else in life).
You and I and others have said, they can just buy basically the same stuff from the other 95% of vendors. Their argument is nonsensical. Why come here and stop the improvement?
It's mind boggling and I hate to assume it's something more nefarious but it probably is.

 

[newguy2]

It's got to be more than just penny pinching (which is fine, people are at different places in their lives and there exists a product suited to their ability and preference, like literally anything else in life).
You and I and others have said, they can just buy basically the same stuff from the other 95% of vendors. Their argument is nonsensical. Why come here and stop the improvement?
It's mind boggling and I hate to assume it's something more nefarious but it probably is.

Some of us are cheap b*starts and want the best for the least. While I've griped here and there I fully support achieving the best/safest product we can.

 

[readalot]

It's got to be more than just penny pinching (which is fine, people are at different places in their lives and there exists a product suited to their ability and preference, like literally anything else in life).
You and I and others have said, they can just buy basically the same stuff from the other 95% of vendors. Their argument is nonsensical. Why come here and stop the improvement?
It's mind boggling and I hate to assume it's something more nefarious but it probably is.

50 - 35 = 15

50 - 37.50 = 12.50

One source does it then concern becomes a cascade effect.

I have spent way too much time waiting for a source who is ready to really change the game.

So let's find out. Super appreciate your support Sir.

 

[Photon]

Super selfish. FUCK that. We’re going to be THEE go-to source (if we aren’t already).

Sorry boys, been driving all day but we’ll get everything we need ordered ASAP.

 

[TanFishMan]

I just got here but I feel like I’m witnessing some super saiyan ape shenanigans right now

 

[BigDadd7]

I just got here but I feel like I’m witnessing some super saiyan ape shenanigans right now

It's an evolution of standards

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Some of us are cheap b*starts and want the best for the least. While I've griped here and there I fully support achieving the best/safest product we can.

We’ll eat the cost ourselves as much as we can. Don’t worry, we haven’t forgotten what we came in here to do.

Best priced and highest quality. We’ll never deviate from that! We’ve built a massive clientele in such little time and we won’t switch up on ya’ll.