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[bigstepper]

Wh

What we have is not a quantitative gcms.

None of us here can afford it.
The gcms only answers one question "does it exist or not".
Ignore the numbers.

The vial could be full of it.
Or trace.
We don't know.
$$$

Why does the stuff we would expect in the most abundance, typically show up with the largest “area”? Aside from the volatile compound limitations?

 

[Photon]

Wh

Why does the stuff we would expect in the most abundance, typically show up with the largest “area”? Aside from the volatile compound limitations?

Post in thread 'Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services'

Oct 15, 2023

Hi. Just curious why your GCMS service is not quantitative?

Because we already have quantitative HPLC methods developed. Why develop (lot of time and $) and maintain for GCMS too?

Also GCMS is inherently less precise in quantitative analysis than HPLC.

Where can I find the assays/methods used for qualitative and quantitative AAS tests advertised on your website?

It's HPLC-DAD gradient methods, some details are here: https://janoshik.com/details/

ICP-OES for metals?


Thank you.

ICP MS

Cheers

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[AllGoodThings]

Wow. I felt cocky with just a single case.

I have a habit of stocking up on things lol
Between my wife and I, we go through almost 20 a day

 

[maddie]

I have a habit of stocking up on things lol
Between my wife and I, we go through almost 20 a day

You stocking up on thing..... never. I wish you were my best friend at the gym and one day I finally found out who you really are.

 

[monster8912]

Website updates look good! Just wish we actually had the gorillas on vial labels lol

 

[Crizcrae]

Drop that Benjamin Button stack for us

Ride it like I do and you’ll be fine. People obsess over 2.8 vs 3.0 like it’s a death sentence. It isn’t.

From my personal field research, the only thing that showed noticeable growth at higher Z-scores wasn’t my jaw, hands, or shoe size. Let’s just say my jeans got tighter for reasons science doesn’t want to discuss.

Bloods fine. Health fine. Ego slightly inflated for unrelated reasons.

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How much IU per day are you taking? What time of day?

Sorry not sure how the Benjamin button quote got added. This was for the Answ3r

 

[Whistles77]

Vegetable oil components rather

Please help teach me to fish. How can i look at the compounds that make up an oil and determine what they come from? Is there a good reference?

 

[crispybacon!]

GCMS results for Primal Ment 50, black caps, purchased early-January.

Oil looks to be pure MCT. Not sure why the trestolone (7α-methyl-19-nortestosterone) is being identified as “Androst-5-en-7-one, 3-(acetyloxy)-, (3.beta.)-”, but it showed up correctly on the original test. @janoshik - What are your thoughts here?

Would love to get input from some of the smarter folks here, but it seems to check out.

Janoshik Analytical

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Jano responded about the misidentified Trestolone. He said it’s not in their GCMS database, so would not be identified correctly. Again, the HPLC shows that it is in fact Trestolone, so no concerns.

 

[Magenzus]

When should we expect results to match?
Batches made in Dec?

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Damn I had not seen this shit, now I dont know which one I have. I would think the one tested In January since I bought it 2nd week of January, but they don’t match what he posted though. Sigh…


Edited: Still pinning though lol

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

I apologize but was the Test E GCMS ever addressed?
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Leaving this China Primo200 as a sample..

Janoshik Analytical

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And a pure MCT sample

Janoshik Analytical

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@SwolieGuacamole
@MisterT

Oh Boy.


I’ve taken a metal break from this place lol. Might be time to indulge in toxicity

 

[ZaddyZonar]

O

Oh Boy.


I’ve taken a metal break from this place lol. Might be time to indulge in toxicity

 

[darkdays]

I’ve been in an out lately. Took a break for a while in the beginning so I had to make another handle until big boss caught wind of it and merged the two accounts for me and got access back to my original handle. What’s funny is most of the time it’s the avatar I remember not the names. Haha

ur avatars quite rememberable

 

[imthankful]

Still waiting for GCMS’s.

Jano TC250 P11 —> 253.59
Jano TC250 P12 —> 269.64
Jano Pharma TC200 —> 180.83

TC250 P11 GSMC
TC250 P12 GSMC
TC200 Pharma GSMC

Pharma one looks loaded

 

[Photon]

TC250 P11 GSMC
TC250 P12 GSMC
TC200 Pharma GSMC

Pharma one looks loaded

Pharma is cottonseed?
(In a way it does confirm that what we are seeing in those Primo is indeed veg oils)

 

[danny91t]

Same here lol, I've got about 10,000 or so Easy Touch I stocked up on, and now I find out there's a better and cheaper option. Son of a...

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and here i thought i was special for having 1000 syringes stocked up lol

 

[bigstepper]

TC250 P11 GSMC
TC250 P12 GSMC
TC200 Pharma GSMC

Pharma one looks loaded

Well this is certainly interesting. The community would be crying CN oils if a ugl dropped a GCMS that looked like this pharma one.

It doesn’t change the misrepresentation, slight of hand, and/or outright lying some vendors have engaged in regarding resale oils, but it should probably assuage some concerns regarding the true harm of certain findings (octa, hexa, Lino, etc.).

I think there are at least some people (myself included) that probably had disproportionate concern about these things, that would be totally satisfied blindly pinning these same oils just because it came from a pharmacy.

That said, trust is as (or more) important than just about any other factor when it comes to this stuff IMO.

 

[TanFishMan]

Well this is certainly interesting. The community would be crying CN oils if a ugl dropped a GCMS that looked like this pharma one.

It doesn’t change the misrepresentation, slight of hand, and/or outright lying some vendors have engaged in regarding resale oils, but it should probably assuage some concerns regarding the true harm of certain findings (octa, hexa, Lino, etc.).

I think there are at least some people (myself included) that probably had disproportionate concern about these things, that would be totally satisfied blindly pinning these same oils just because it came from a pharmacy.

That said, trust is as (or more) important than just about any other factor when it comes to this stuff IMO.

Finding seed oils when you expect GSO is not concerning. Finding them when you expect 100% saturated fat MCT is concerning.

 

[The Answ3r]

and here i thought i was special for having 1000 syringes stocked up lol

Trust me, you’re not even close. No one on this forum competes with @AllGoodThings. Gear, peptides, syringes, needles… the man runs a small pharmacy. And let’s be honest, probably more muscle than most of us too.

I’m low-key trying to befriend him just in case he needs to update his will someday. He can keep the house, I’m not greedy. I’d be perfectly happy inheriting the freezer.

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

Ride it like I do and you’ll be fine. People obsess over 2.8 vs 3.0 like it’s a death sentence. It isn’t.

From my personal field research, the only thing that showed noticeable growth at higher Z-scores wasn’t my jaw, hands, or shoe size. Let’s just say my jeans got tighter for reasons science doesn’t want to discuss.

Bloods fine. Health fine. Ego slightly inflated for unrelated reasons.

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What’s your dose to pull igf1 in the 700s 6-7iu?

 

[Photon]

Well this is certainly interesting. The community would be crying CN oils if a ugl dropped a GCMS that looked like this pharma one.

It doesn’t change the misrepresentation, slight of hand, and/or outright lying some vendors have engaged in regarding resale oils, but it should probably assuage some concerns regarding the true harm of certain findings (octa, hexa, Lino, etc.).

I think there are at least some people (myself included) that probably had disproportionate concern about these things, that would be totally satisfied blindly pinning these same oils just because it came from a pharmacy.

That said, trust is as (or more) important than just about any other factor when it comes to this stuff IMO.

Pharma does not use MCT.
Its usually cottonseed, castor or arachis oil.
They are not going to spend millions in trials, to prove MCT is as good as what they have already done trials on.

The oils are not the same.
Pharma uses pharma grade and they go through FDA inspections, abide by FDA regulations etc.

You can head to Costco, pick up a bottle of vegetable oil and they will also show up as oct hexa whatever. GCMS shows breakdown components, not quality.

What you have here is MCT oil but has vegetable oil in it, what's that? MCT oil does not contain vegetable oil components. What do you think the quality is?

Do you think they are the same?