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[The Answ3r]

An older guy recommended that I use 14s to draw it out. I realized it was kinda unnecessary after a while but just kept using them out of habit. I had the thought that maybe when he started using gear the oil was thicker and maybe he needed a larger needle? I’m not sure just guessing

If you have a cup warmer (any cheap one from Amazon for like $15-20), just warm the oil and even a 25g will draw it fine. Personally, I recommend 22g or 23g for drawing, it’s the best balance.

Once you start using 20g or bigger, you’re asking for stopper coring, especially if the stoppers aren’t top quality. That’s how you end up with rubber bits floating in the oil, and that’s something nobody wants to inject. Thicker oil back in the day might explain why some older guys used harpoons, but with modern oils and a bit of heat, there’s really no need anymore.

 

[syuri]

Yeah I have their NPP and Deca. Not super happy to see that.

Sigh. The NPP (feeling and performance wise) has been fine for me. No complaints in that department I guess :/

 

[Magenzus]

Its NPP with China Oil, whats the issue?

Pardon my ignorance I am a bit new to Meso forums.

 

[crispybacon!]

Its NPP with China Oil, whats the issue?

Pardon my ignorance I am a bit new to Meso forums.

There’s still time to delete this post!

 

[Photon]

Its NPP with China Oil, whats the issue?

Pardon my ignorance I am a bit new to Meso forums.

No problem really.
Many on this forum use it.
Enjoy.

 

[k710]

I see China oils.
(Test Prop and NPP)
Please kindly share batch numbers and purchase dates.
Thank you.

Well, since your still here would you mind elaborating a bit more for us who dont speak gscm fluently?
I was comparing the results (all 4 samples) to the known china primo and remember EO being the flag so was looking for similiar ID's. Im sure it can turn into many other things and I just dont recognize them as EO. But curious as to what you noted to identify china oils.

Thanks!
p.s I have NPP 100mg ordered on 10/6

 

[Magenzus]

There’s still time to delete this post!

Lol no, I am here to learn, there’s somethings I dont know like GSCMs. No need to pretend I don’t. Interested in learning more about that and I do appreciate Photon providing the context he does.

 

[desertwarrior]

I would advise members to proceed with caution when ordering from this vendor. Don’t spend anything you can’t afford to lose. The past 10 pages have been an absolute shit storm. Swimming through that and coming out clean would be damn near impossible. I’d imagine he’s halfway through printing labels for the rebrand.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

I would advise members to proceed with caution when ordering from this vendor. Don’t spend anything you can’t afford to lose. The past 10 pages have been an absolute shit storm. Swimming through that and coming out clean would be damn near impossible. I’d imagine he’s halfway through printing labels for the rebrand.

If we were rebranding or disappearing, orders wouldn’t still be going out. They are. More than ever actually.

Lol.

 

[Photon]

Well, since your still here would you mind elaborating a bit more for us who dont speak gscm fluently?
I was comparing the results (all 4 samples) to the known china primo and remember EO being the flag so was looking for similiar ID's. Im sure it can turn into many other things and I just dont recognize them as EO. But curious as to what you noted to identify china oils.

Thanks!

EO is not the flag.
China oils do not use pure MCT.

This is Primal NPP, pure MCT.

Janoshik Analytical

Now we see the test that was posted..

Janoshik Analytical

we remove 8,9,10,11,13,15,17,19,20,22,23,24
Then we compare with the above..
See this yellow crap?


Then we compare with Hepius (China oil)

Janoshik Analytical

Or you can compare against Primal's very own CN GCMS Primo 200 which he lied about brewing!.

Janoshik Analytical

 

[newguy2]

These look horrible
Are they all like this?

View attachment 373231

Yep those are the upgraded vial stoppers,,, "My ASS! Prinal you suck!

Can confirm the stoppers are upgraded but the crimps were not great.

 

[Alvinq]

Its NPP with China Oil, whats the issue?

Pardon my ignorance I am a bit new to Meso forums.

They're typically lower quality oil blends that are likely to go rancid or oxidize faster than the standard MCT used by most.
For me this matters since I've become a gear hoarder and now keep a few years worth of cycles on hand.
I am in the process of transferring and freezing all my previous Chinese oils, but I just really didn't think I'd have to worry about these.

 

[Mr.AAJR]

EO is not the flag.
China oils do not use pure MCT.

So the next question is, what is the end result of using these Chinese oils? More PIP? Possibly more inflammation?

 

[AlexDavis43]

I see China oils.
(Test Prop and NPP)
Please kindly share batch numbers and purchase dates.
Thank you.

@AlexDavis43
Any comments on the GCMS?
They fixed the GCMS data PDFs.

Thanks, checking them out now

Seems like they all have the expected gear, MCT, BA/BB

and a silicon compound that a preliminary search suggests might be something from the stopper leached by solvents


unsure if it's in the finished vials you receive or something that comes out during sample preparation & analysis at Jano, but have seen GCMS without it

Soo many unknowns with GCMS interpretation in this context: what is it? is it normal? is it harmful? etc

 

[crispybacon!]

Lol no, I am here to learn, there’s somethings I dont know like GSCMs. No need to pretend I don’t. Interested in learning more about that and I do appreciate Photon providing the context he does.

Beyond the concerns about oil quality, Primal stated they would no longer resell CN oils.

 

[Civdiv]

Just receive my most recent Primal order of Ment. I was out of town during the Christmas promo and Primal agreed to honor the promo, so credit to them for that.

Looks like this has transitioned to the new black cap vials, which looks great, but also appears to be a different batch, based on the oil being yellow vs clear.

Does anyone else have Ment in the new vials? Is yours also yellow? Has anyone tested it? Have you used it?

@Primal_Pharma - Do you have testing on raws or finished product for this batch? All I see is the old/original test on your website? Also, I’ll be sending a vial in for testing. You cover GCMS, correct?

View attachment 373167

I just got some in the new vial. Sent for testing this week. I'll post results.

 

[Photon]

Thanks, checking them out now

Seems like they all have the expected gear, MCT, BA/BB

and a silicon compound that a preliminary search suggests might be something from the stopper leached by solvents


unsure if it's in the finished vials you receive or something that comes out during sample preparation & analysis at Jano, but have seen GCMS without it

Soo many unknowns with GCMS interpretation in this context: what is it? is it normal? is it harmful? etc

Jano usually gives a commentary about siloxane peaks, labeling them as column artifacts, kinda annoying, for 170$, i'd expect them to rerun the test and fix it

 

[Magenzus]

Beyond the concerns about oil quality, Primal stated they would no longer resell CN oils.

Got it. Its more a question of transparency with this source. I dont mind the China Oil but dont understand why the need to lie about it. I have that NPP, about to send for testing to Jano together with the Primo (Post- China).

 

[newguy2]

Beyond the concerns about oil quality, Primal stated they would no longer resell CN oils.

We would be absolute fools to believe a word that he says at this point sadly.

 

[biggerben69]

If we were rebranding or disappearing, orders wouldn’t still be going out. They are. More than ever actually.

Lol.

You Lol? You come across as someone who has been indulged for most of your young life. Its one of the worst things a parent can do to their Son.

Your reactions are impulsive. You'd do better on a board where you control your thread. You can go back and edit after someone in your circle tells you that its a bad look the things you've posted in response to what members have said about your little outfit.

I have no idea why members here would get involved with this kind of trash. We've got men who have been in biz brewing for 10 plus years and longer. Steller reps compared to this mess.

Its good to see you @desertwarrior.

desertwarrior is a guy who has been around and has seen this kind of thing before. He's looking out for you guys.