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You’re the only person repeating this claim daily, despite our volume, long-standing public logs, blind third-party testing, and zero corroboration from actual customers. If there were systemic contamination or chronic underdosing, it would not require one individual spamming the same copy-paste post to “warn” people. The market would have spoken already.

What is weird is the fixation and the pattern. We’ve also heard from multiple people that you’ve had involvement with an unnamed competing source in the past, which would at least explain the motivation here. Whether that’s true or not, the behavior speaks for itself.

We stand by our products. New members are free to review independent feedback, verified tests, and make their own decisions. Reposting the same accusation every day doesn’t make it more credible, it just makes it transparent.
you still haven't addressed the test u that came back at 199mg per ml. you had nothing to say to me about it when I direct messaged you. I wasn't gonna post it here but I couldnt believe your lack of concern. maybe address these problems, how they can be fixed what your plan is and why are different batches labeled the same batch. hell I'm new as fuck with all this but I can clearly see this is bullshit, and your definitely not honest.the tren and primo I just bought from you was clearly relabeled shit you bought somewhere else too, you had just made this move to new nicer stoppers and then you put your new tren and primo in bullshit stoppers filled all the way to the fucking rim,you never overfill your shit its so obviously not yours. I was a huge customer with you and you've made me loose faith with anyone I buy from I will be spending copious amounts of funds for janoshik testing from any supplier from here on. 5 out of the 15 vials of test u I got had that really clear color and one of them tested at 199mg so I through all the other clear bottles out. the one yellow bottle I had tested was 258mg so that's good but who's to say the other 9 bottles of the more yellow test u are the same mg/s considering nothing is the same fucking batch
 
What about my behavior gives you the impression that I’ve got it in for Primal?
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Well, I guess you just take harm reduction so seriously you offer to buy other members gear if they change vendors. I remember when it was taboo to talk about a vendor in another vendor’s thread. Aside from that, I don’t know if shilling could be anymore blatant. This isn’t a jab at the other vendor mentioned, because I have purchased gear, I intend to use, from him also.
 
I can’t tell if this is directed to me or not. I don’t know if I said I wasn’t going to use you guys anymore. I have gotten a few things tested of yours and shared it. Usually just trying to help. I do have a few of the TU it’s P10 I thinkView attachment 373671
if there's any bottles of test u from P10 that have a really clear color to them those should be the under dosed ones.the ones with a good yellow color should be good, but hard to say for certain
 
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Well, I guess you just take harm reduction so seriously you offer to buy other members gear if they change vendors. I remember when it was taboo to talk about a vendor in another vendor’s thread. Aside from that, I don’t know if shilling could be anymore blatant. This isn’t a jab at the other vendor mentioned, because I have purchased gear, I intend to use, from him also.
I feel like i'm 12 again homesick from school watching jerry springer hoping a titty flops out from a hillbilly bulldyke that is allegedly banging her uncle as they are fighting on stage with her girlfriend crying on the sidelines
 
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Well, I guess you just take harm reduction so seriously you offer to buy other members gear if they change vendors. I remember when it was taboo to talk about a vendor in another vendor’s thread. Aside from that, I don’t know if shilling could be anymore blatant. This isn’t a jab at the other vendor mentioned, because I have purchased gear, I intend to use, from him also.
I “eluded” to another vendor’s mishap in a different thread, and only those familiar with that mishap would’ve gotten the reference. I personally thought it was pretty funny.

And I do take harm reduction seriously. Also, I suggested that individual may have had a reaction to bad oil and not specifically Mig812. I was simply putting my money where my mouth is.

You seem to be the only one with your panties in a bunch.

Like I’ve said, I literally just made a purchase with Primal. Why would I buy from him if I’m out to get him you dumb fuck.
 
True. I guess the correct framing would be “bought around the same time”.
For clarity sake, can you mention your purchase date (or close to it). Primal is sending in product for testing, but with the current narritive it wont mean much in all honesty. So I believe what we need is more 3rd party testing from vials out in the wild to dig into this further proving or disproving the discrepencies.

Maybe the sample can be re-tested if enough was sent it originally? Although I think asking Jano to confirm theres no errors noted on their end/uploads would be a good first step. Whoever sent in the samples, maybe you already asked and I missed it, but would be dope if you could.

I saw a few people mentioned they were sending samples in so hopefully those start rolling in soon. I have NPP100, TE250 and MASTP100 from October 6th that I could be bothered to send to Jano. I have sealed vials so theres no variables from sample handling/mislabeling/cross contamination.

Has anyones used primals reta?
Yes actually, went through 15g vial at 1mg/week (a little less actually but close enough). Was using it before from another vendor for a long time. If you search through my posts in October I actually came here to mention that it felt more potent than my previous product, meaning my previous was either underdosed or lost potency before getting to me imo.

I just stopped taking it for the first time since I started Reta and man my hunger signals are back and better than before.. I actually get hungry which was not the case before even starting reta. Not to mention Ive been gaining weight (good weight, bf barely budged 1%) currently up ~8lbs since start of the year. Tbf I was definitely underweight from cutting too hard without even trying lol

Get em! Get em! lol
Ya know this guy is fighting so hard to stay in the game after all these issues I’m starting to think he does have a drug problem.
No because they’re a junk source and need to be buried.
Brother, as an outsider (idk you so not actually judging your character by this) but your approach currently in the last few days alone comes across as emotional, personal, and like your in this thread with a sole motive to destroy Primal. The criticism is valid and most here including myself, are advocating for resolutions, BUT they dont give off the same "personal" vibes as you..

Examples quoted above; why even bother saying shit like that to a member asking a legitimate question? They can obviously read and type to be on the forum so they've seen the noise but still had a question. Comes off as grasping at opportunities to bad-mouth the source.. which brings back into question why? Just because your mad?.. I doubt it..Cant imagine a grown man doing that.

Take a look at your peers, we are all saying the same things aside from one or two being accussed as shills. Look at their posts and compare the tones. Instead of seizing the opportunity to use a members question as an outlet for your emotions, consider posting your concerns and contributing to the conversation of how we can stop this from happening again (with any source). How do you contribute to conversation of members affected and those who have gallons of gear they need to validate?

Sources do not need to be "buried", they will bury themselves if you keep proper pressure on the factual points. Comments like these are counterproductive to your goals.. they actually only feed the sources claims at the cost of your credibility.

Peptide powders all come from China, theres no domestic ugl source whipping up your glp-1s using low quality ingredients. They are either buying the bulk lypholized powders or (more likely) buying already in sterilized vials for resell. Theres a reason a domestic market exist and why the price difference gets paid.. and its not only because ppl dont know better.

The last thing you want is for a source to vanish and reappear as a new vendor utilizing the same protocols until they get caught up again or worse, someone gets hurt. What motive would a source have to actually make the investments and adjust their processes to uphold the standards we are pushing for from a black market? Much cheaper to disappear for a bit, re-brand and repeat the process all over again.. Reimbursing, coveirng testing fess, handling with the logistics of shipping samples/replacements, changing equipment, protocols and ect are a fuck ton more expensive and taxing work wise than having chatgpt spin up a new brand and buying new labels....

The opportunity here should be to create a system where it doesnt matter who is behind the vial, but focus is on the vial itself. If we have GCMS data and raw testing, we can make an informed decision. The brand behind the vial is related to how well they adhere to systematic testing, proper processes, comparisons w/ 3rd party testing, sterility, contamination report history, ect. No shade to ANY source, but as a consumer your seeking drugs from a drugdealer in a black market... I dont think anyones word should ever be taken as truth and data-driven systematic approach is our best (only?) attempt at true harm reduction.

If anyone thinks any source that has been "run off a forum" just closes up shop and stops brewing than they are delusional. You can close the door here, but they will just knock on another.. and another.. until they lose the physical ability to knock or have their freedom to do so locked up. Unfortunately, that usually happens after the damage has been done.

Again, im not judging your character from these posts. Im just saying as someone who agrees with the concerns we are upholding, it doesnt strengthen our narrative and only feeds the sabotage narritive your so strongly fighting against.

How about establishing a 3rd party testing list with purchase dates to help align members in hand products with testing results more likely lined up with their "batch number" than the original test that only corresponds to first "sub-batch". Maybe help create a concrete outline (SOP) we can standardize across the board. Raw testing, then brewing, final product gcms and quantitative, routine 3rd party testing and system to reflect source vs consumer finished product comparisons.. maybe a score/number of strikes which can trigger a review of wether their accounts are allowed to remain on the forum..

TLDR for the bros:
You shouldnt trust strangers ever, but especially when it comes to drugs online. Even drug addicts test their drugs, and most arent going to be injecting w.e it is they got. This is no different. Creating a system that highlights as many red flags as we can look for and ensure a set of agreed green flags are met for "a more confident buy".

Sry I started typing this last tnight and ended up with a 2yr vomiting with a 102 fever from a Virus..

p.s I did catch up on the thread before sending this out I see some members have made these points in that time, but just reiterating I agree with them. Gonna get my popcorn ready brb lol
 
you still haven't addressed the test u that came back at 199mg per ml. you had nothing to say to me about it when I direct messaged you. I wasn't gonna post it here but I couldnt believe your lack of concern. maybe address these problems, how they can be fixed what your plan is and why are different batches labeled the same batch. hell I'm new as fuck with all this but I can clearly see this is bullshit, and your definitely not honest.the tren and primo I just bought from you was clearly relabeled shit you bought somewhere else too, you had just made this move to new nicer stoppers and then you put your new tren and primo in bullshit stoppers filled all the way to the fucking rim,you never overfill your shit its so obviously not yours. I was a huge customer with you and you've made me loose faith with anyone I buy from I will be spending copious amounts of funds for janoshik testing from any supplier from here on. 5 out of the 15 vials of test u I got had that really clear color and one of them tested at 199mg so I through all the other clear bottles out. the one yellow bottle I had tested was 258mg so that's good but who's to say the other 9 bottles of the more yellow test u are the same mg/s considering nothing is the same fucking batch


So much for it being addressed.

@johnydrama
Could you kindly send sealed vials of cleared and yellow TU in for testing? HPLC and GCMS?

Vendor testing

For reference, vendor testing was 241mg/ml whereas 3rd party testing was 258mg/ml and another, 199mg/ml with contamination.
 
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So much for it being addressed.

@johnydrama
Could you kindly send sealed vials of cleared and yellow TU in for testing? HPLC and GCMS?

Vendor testing

For reference, vendor testing was 241mg/ml whereas 3rd party testing was 258mg/ml and another, 199mg/ml with contamination.

I can probably manage that.
 
For clarity sake, can you mention your purchase date (or close to it). Primal is sending in product for testing, but with the current narritive it wont mean much in all honesty. So I believe what we need is more 3rd party testing from vials out in the wild to dig into this further proving or disproving the discrepencies.

Maybe the sample can be re-tested if enough was sent it originally? Although I think asking Jano to confirm theres no errors noted on their end/uploads would be a good first step. Whoever sent in the samples, maybe you already asked and I missed it, but would be dope if you could.

I saw a few people mentioned they were sending samples in so hopefully those start rolling in soon. I have NPP100, TE250 and MASTP100 from October 6th that I could be bothered to send to Jano. I have sealed vials so theres no variables from sample handling/mislabeling/cross contamination.


Yes actually, went through 15g vial at 1mg/week (a little less actually but close enough). Was using it before from another vendor for a long time. If you search through my posts in October I actually came here to mention that it felt more potent than my previous product, meaning my previous was either underdosed or lost potency before getting to me imo.

I just stopped taking it for the first time since I started Reta and man my hunger signals are back and better than before.. I actually get hungry which was not the case before even starting reta. Not to mention Ive been gaining weight (good weight, bf barely budged 1%) currently up ~8lbs since start of the year. Tbf I was definitely underweight from cutting too hard without even trying lol




Brother, as an outsider (idk you so not actually judging your character by this) but your approach currently in the last few days alone comes across as emotional, personal, and like your in this thread with a sole motive to destroy Primal. The criticism is valid and most here including myself, are advocating for resolutions, BUT they dont give off the same "personal" vibes as you..

Examples quoted above; why even bother saying shit like that to a member asking a legitimate question? They can obviously read and type to be on the forum so they've seen the noise but still had a question. Comes off as grasping at opportunities to bad-mouth the source.. which brings back into question why? Just because your mad?.. I doubt it..Cant imagine a grown man doing that.

Take a look at your peers, we are all saying the same things aside from one or two being accussed as shills. Look at their posts and compare the tones. Instead of seizing the opportunity to use a members question as an outlet for your emotions, consider posting your concerns and contributing to the conversation of how we can stop this from happening again (with any source). How do you contribute to conversation of members affected and those who have gallons of gear they need to validate?

Sources do not need to be "buried", they will bury themselves if you keep proper pressure on the factual points. Comments like these are counterproductive to your goals.. they actually only feed the sources claims at the cost of your credibility.

Peptide powders all come from China, theres no domestic ugl source whipping up your glp-1s using low quality ingredients. They are either buying the bulk lypholized powders or (more likely) buying already in sterilized vials for resell. Theres a reason a domestic market exist and why the price difference gets paid.. and its not only because ppl dont know better.

The last thing you want is for a source to vanish and reappear as a new vendor utilizing the same protocols until they get caught up again or worse, someone gets hurt. What motive would a source have to actually make the investments and adjust their processes to uphold the standards we are pushing for from a black market? Much cheaper to disappear for a bit, re-brand and repeat the process all over again.. Reimbursing, coveirng testing fess, handling with the logistics of shipping samples/replacements, changing equipment, protocols and ect are a fuck ton more expensive and taxing work wise than having chatgpt spin up a new brand and buying new labels....

The opportunity here should be to create a system where it doesnt matter who is behind the vial, but focus is on the vial itself. If we have GCMS data and raw testing, we can make an informed decision. The brand behind the vial is related to how well they adhere to systematic testing, proper processes, comparisons w/ 3rd party testing, sterility, contamination report history, ect. No shade to ANY source, but as a consumer your seeking drugs from a drugdealer in a black market... I dont think anyones word should ever be taken as truth and data-driven systematic approach is our best (only?) attempt at true harm reduction.

If anyone thinks any source that has been "run off a forum" just closes up shop and stops brewing than they are delusional. You can close the door here, but they will just knock on another.. and another.. until they lose the physical ability to knock or have their freedom to do so locked up. Unfortunately, that usually happens after the damage has been done.

Again, im not judging your character from these posts. Im just saying as someone who agrees with the concerns we are upholding, it doesnt strengthen our narrative and only feeds the sabotage narritive your so strongly fighting against.

How about establishing a 3rd party testing list with purchase dates to help align members in hand products with testing results more likely lined up with their "batch number" than the original test that only corresponds to first "sub-batch". Maybe help create a concrete outline (SOP) we can standardize across the board. Raw testing, then brewing, final product gcms and quantitative, routine 3rd party testing and system to reflect source vs consumer finished product comparisons.. maybe a score/number of strikes which can trigger a review of wether their accounts are allowed to remain on the forum..

TLDR for the bros:
You shouldnt trust strangers ever, but especially when it comes to drugs online. Even drug addicts test their drugs, and most arent going to be injecting w.e it is they got. This is no different. Creating a system that highlights as many red flags as we can look for and ensure a set of agreed green flags are met for "a more confident buy".

Sry I started typing this last tnight and ended up with a 2yr vomiting with a 102 fever from a Virus..

p.s I did catch up on the thread before sending this out I see some members have made these points in that time, but just reiterating I agree with them. Gonna get my popcorn ready brb lol
I bought separate vials of primo and Npp, they were bought between Dec 17- Dec 25. I sent to Jano yesterday from 1 vial of each. So just testing 2 vials.
 

So much for it being addressed.

@johnydrama
Could you kindly send sealed vials of cleared and yellow TU in for testing? HPLC and GCMS?

Vendor testing

For reference, vendor testing was 241mg/ml whereas 3rd party testing was 258mg/ml and another, 199mg/ml with contamination.
What you don’t see is the dozens of emails from people who have tested products from other sources and gotten very poor results. One example is Test C50, which came back at 72. Some people believe they represent the majority, but they don’t. The ACTUAL majority sits back and observes. You see what you want to see and you have no real understanding of what’s actually happening..

I’m not trying to place blame. The only reason this is even being discussed here is because of our testing policy, which is much more open than most.

@Photon, I respect you, but there’s a disconnect when it comes to how things actually work behind the scenes. You see what’s on the surface in these forums. You have no idea what’s actually going on. Genuinely.
 
@Photon - I am getting ammo from so many members. Like I said, you have no idea. This is one of your beloved vendors btw but I definitely will not shit on him for no reason like what you do. That's some weird shit you be doing...

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Edit: This was supposed to be Lady Cyp 20mg/mL btw. But I am done arguing with the obvious shitposters. Thank you, Apes. I know a lot of you just sit quietly but I know you're all watching. Love you bastards.
 
@Photon - I am getting ammo from so many members. Like I said, you have no idea. This is one of your beloved vendors btw but I definitely will not shit on him for no reason like what you do. That's some weird shit you be doing...

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Edit: This was supposed to be Lady Cyp 20mg/mL btw. But I am done arguing with the obvious shitposters. Thank you, Apes. I know a lot of you just sit quietly but I know you're all watching. Love you bastards.
I now hold the record for the highest over dose on Meso at 323.35% over target
 
@Photon - I am getting ammo from so many members. Like I said, you have no idea. This is one of your beloved vendors btw but I definitely will not shit on him for no reason like what you do. That's some weird shit you be doing...

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Edit: This was supposed to be Lady Cyp 20mg/mL btw. But I am done arguing with the obvious shitposters. Thank you, Apes. I know a lot of you just sit quietly but I know you're all watching. Love you bastards.
This is the best defense you have for your brand that was supposed to be a cut above the rest doing all things with excellence. Your argument is that other UGL’s make mistakes too? Pretty weak take honestly.
 
@Photon - I am getting ammo from so many members. Like I said, you have no idea. This is one of your beloved vendors btw but I definitely will not shit on him for no reason like what you do. That's some weird shit you be doing...

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Edit: This was supposed to be Lady Cyp 20mg/mL btw. But I am done arguing with the obvious shitposters. Thank you, Apes. I know a lot of you just sit quietly but I know you're all watching. Love you bastards.

Oh yes i saw that.
Dude just opened shop selling 2 products, one of which is 3rd party validated.
Meanwhile you've been here 6 months..with a long list of weird..issues..

It's too early to make any conclusions -- this is also the exact reason why i requested people send in additional sealed vials of yours in for testing, to validate the results that were posted.
 

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