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Is the Test cyp 250 for sale on the web site the same one that third part testing put slightly overdosed and another vial under at around 200 from 250?
 
Is the Test cyp 250 for sale on the web site the same one that third part testing put slightly overdosed and another vial under at around 200 from 250?
I wouldn’t rely on the COAs on the website. We’ve already seen significant variances in the past. For example, 3rd party testing for Test Cyp 250 “batch” P10 came back at ~220, ~230, ~240, ~250, & ~260mg.

If Primal is actually following through with brewing true batches going forward, 3rd party testing should prove that out. Until then, I’d argue it’s a crap shoot.

Closing this out… I received the results from the 3 additional TC250-P10 (early-September) samples.

First, I want to give credit where it’s due. Despite anything else, I have to give props to @Primal_Pharma for agreeing to this testing without hesitation. This goes a long way in rebuilding trust (for me at least). I’m hopeful the results can benefit the community and help to improve Primal’s processes, particularly regarding how they brew and/or define batches.

Here are the combined results for the 4 different TC250 P10 (early-September) samples:

Full 10ml vial: 220.93 mg/ml
Sample A: 231.73 mg/ml
Sample B: 224.32 mg/ml
Sample C: 220.62 mg/ml

Average: 224.4 mg/ml

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Here is the final results of the samples I sent into Jano.

P11 Sealed Vial Batch - 235.63 mg/ml
P11 Combined Vial Batch (14 P11 vials combined & sample drawn from 100ml vial) - 252.20 mg/ml

P11 Sealed Jano Link
P11 Combined Jano Link

P10 Sealed Vial Batch - 261.82 mg/ml
P10 Combined Batch (14 P10 vials combined & sample drawn from 100ml vial) - 249.13 mg/ml

P10 Sealed Jano Link
P10 Combined Jano Link
 
I wouldn’t rely on the COAs on the website. We’ve already seen significant variances in the past. For example, 3rd party testing for Test Cyp 250 “batch” P10 came back at ~220, ~230, ~240, ~250, & ~260mg.

If Primal is actually following through with brewing true batches going forward, 3rd party testing should prove that out. Until then, I’d argue it’s a crap shoot.
Yeah. Dont know why I remember one coming in at like 200. I guess my vials could be anywhere in that range, no way of knowing.
 
Yeah. Dont know why I remember one coming in at like 200. I guess my vials could be anywhere in that range, no way of knowing.
One way of knowing - send it in for testing. But just know that if you have more than one vial, they may not be the same concentration - mine weren’t and they were purchased at the same time.
 
Also a possibility of plastic, TE cross contamination, or Chinese gutter oil.

They're mystery vials at this point.
Plastic was just on the tren right?

One way of knowing - send it in for testing. But just know that if you have more than one vial, they may not be the same concentration - mine weren’t and they were purchased at the same time.

Yeah I know. ill have to send two.
 
Plastic was just on the tren right?



Yeah I know. ill have to send two.
Who knows. The plastic was only discovered in the Tren because of a customer GCMS. Imagine all the other things that have slipped under the radar without being tested. All those blood tests don't quite cut it in regard to sterility/accuracy.

His morals and sourcing are questionable to say the least.
 
Yeah. Dont know why I remember one coming in at like 200. I guess my vials could be anywhere in that range, no way of knowing.
It’s honestly surprising that none of the people still trying to take shots at us even bothered to correct you. The one that came in at 200 was the Test U from months back. The fact that the compound itself was unknown just shows how fast misinformation spreads.

The Cyp sample @crispybacon! submitted that tested at 220 was from the socalled mystery batch, the same one @SwolieGuacamole correctly called out at the time. We stopped using that raw source months ago. Meanwhile, every test that comes back on point gets ignored, and people keep recycling the same old results that we’ve already addressed.

What’s also being ignored is that customer bloodwork showing our products are performing exactly as expected, most cases even better.

But anyways, we’ve since moved to volumetric flasks and fully standardized our batching process. The expectation is that the previous complaints will be resolved. But I’m sure something else will become the next talking point soon lol.
 
Who knows. The plastic was only discovered in the Tren because of a customer GCMS. Imagine all the other things that have slipped under the radar without being tested. All those blood tests don't quite cut it in regard to sterility/accuracy.

His morals and sourcing are questionable to say the least.
The only reason this “plastic” narrative even exists is because someone sent in two separate items and both showed the same extraneous peak. That’s basic analytical thinking. Let’s think about this long and hard my brother. If there were actually plastic present in the product, you’d expect to see it consistently across multiple independent GCMS runs. But we don’t.

No other GCMS, whether blind or ones we’ve sent in has shown plastic. Not one. Yet somehow we’re supposed to believe a single result outweighs every other clean analysis?
 
The only reason this “plastic” narrative even exists is because someone sent in two separate items and both showed the same extraneous peak. That’s basic analytical thinking. Let’s think about this long and hard my brother. If there were actually plastic present in the product, you’d expect to see it consistently across multiple independent GCMS runs. But we don’t.

No other GCMS, whether blind or ones we’ve sent in has shown plastic. Not one. Yet somehow we’re supposed to believe a single result outweighs every other clean analysis?

Theres only 2 products you have that have that much solvents. The SUS500(was it? Don't recall) and the TRE400. Neither of which we have seen any GCMS on.
 

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