Primo : is small dose worth keeping in a stack?

[y777]

Getting ready to start this as a blast. lol Of course I will titrate up depending on blood work.

I’m assuming you don’t need AIs with this ratio ? Do you run AIs for a couple of weeks before primo AI effects fully take effects ?

 

[Grey Spartan]

No
No
I will double the primo for 3 injections to get levels up, then back down to the starting dose.

 

[y777]

No
No
I will double the primo for 3 injections to get levels up, then back down to the starting dose.

How often do you pin ?

 

[Grey Spartan]

Twice a week

 

[SWFL-239]

Do you run any AIs with this or is 150 primo enough for 500 test +200 deca ?

I only ever take ai if I feel like I need it. And that was mainly back when I would run 12 week test only cycles. Since I’ve been TRT/Blasting I really haven’t run an ai. Cruise my E is around 70 blast 130. I feel better letting my E scale with my Test. But only sides I ever really get is acne and E control doesn’t seem to help with it for me. However just from feel I can tell the primo is dropping my E. Will know for sure when I pull labs in a couple weeks. But I can feel it in my joints and my emotions are drying up a little. Going to ease into primo, .5 of an arimidex will crash my E for a couple days.

 

[BazzBeat]

Thanks a lot for your long response.

I can prob do with less Masteron , but this level fella good mentally and allows me to cut out my prescription amphetamine drugs

I think test is much stronger than deca. It just isn’t *for me* at high doses. Many reasons. It increases my blood pressure more than any other compound. (When when on beta blocker and ACE-II inhibitor ) worse than either a high tren or this 400 deca cycle

Main reason , is that I aromatize HEAVILY. On 250’mg test + 600 primo + 7mg Aromasin ED ‘my e2 is 90. Even when I started TRT, on just 100mg of cup weekly I had almost 40 e2. Made me feel awful. I know lots of guys love high e2. I understand the benefits from high e2, whether anabolic or neuro /cardio protective. I was running 1mg arimidex 3x per week at this TRT dose to
Keep e2 in the 30s.

I feel best when my e2 is in high teens /
Mid 20s. Even with 175 test , 400 deca , 800 mast e I’m running 12.5 mg Aromasin daily. If I still had 175-200 primo in the stack I could get away with eod 12.5 a’asin.

With test closer to 500 I need to up Aromasin to 25 daily but at this point I get AI sides and absolutely destroyed e2 sides. Here’s the difference in my experience. When crushing e2 with primo I get mostly mental low e2 sides but with Aromasin it’s mostly physical. Joint pain , injury. Etc.

My comment about test is that high test *feels* dirty * when I run it high. My mood is crap. I’m an asshole to my kids and wife. Less mental clarity. This all starts for me when I get close to 300mg. If I’m on 19nors it starts at even lower dose or test , hence 175-200 max test for me on 19nors. I don’t like the edema from test (and test itself can cause this, not just e2 ). Swollen ankles , etc. this happens when just test and AI.

Look, bottom line , drugs are very user specific. I am not arguing that my compound and dosage choice is right but it’s right for me based on what sides and experience I am willing to tolerate.

You know the adage of know your body, know your source , know your limit.

But to recap my current cycle , if I were still running primo (I cut it out since my original top post ) I wouldn’t be running this much mast.

You know how there are guys who like to run test 2x their deca ? For me it’s Dht compounds 2x the 19nors. So the 800mg would be a combination of primo and mast , if I had primo in the stack. Maybe slightly less cuz primo I find more potent and mast e I find much weaker than mast-p. (Never ran mast e before this cycle ). This is also my first time running deca and not NPP , so mast is also in the picture not only to keep mental sides of 19nors at bay but also to keep the bloat down.

Currently
175 test c
400 deca
800 mast E

If I had mast p the above id run 525 mast p per week. If I was running NPP instead of deca I’d be running a lower dose of mast. For example , I didn’t have mast when I ran NPP last but I ran primo instead. 200 test, 400 NPP, 500 primo.

I’m still only 3 weeks into deca so maybe it’s got a lot more to show me and 400 could be high. But with NPP my sweet spot was 400-500 so I chose 400 dose start deca. I am prepared to adjust up or down at 6-8 weeks in.


To wrap up my original question, removing 175 primo had the effect of just adding 12.5 mg Aromasin daily , from an EOD protocol. A little bit of vascularity loss ( primo brings out my veins a lot more than mast so this isn’t surprising . Mast makes me harder and dryer. But primo makes my veins pop more. Mast P did flatten me out more then mast e altho I’m only 3 weeks into mast e so maybe it will kick in more at 4-5 weeks. (It could also be that I’m running deca )

Thanks again for replies and advice. I do appreciate it.

my wallet would much rather that I run higher test cycles

if you add primo then keep us informed. I also have low test, high deca and masteron and I was thinking of adding primo.

 

[lestatgear]

Getting ready to start this as a blast. lol Of course I will titrate up depending on blood work.

Recently had blood work on this and everything came back well including lipids, hematocrit, liver and kidney. Total test came back at just over 900.

 

[usD2it]

Hey man

Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. Standard disclaimer aside that people’s brain chemistry and physiology is not always the same let me address some of your points so you can understand why I chose the compounds and the ratios

Two things off the bat:
1. I pulled primo out completely. I am a heavy aromatizer so 175 is a drop in the bucket for AI benefits for me.

2. I am running Mast enanthate. If it were mast prop I’d be using a lower dose (500 or so ).


When it comes to neural activation I speak from personal experience. I have many years of experience with Rx amphetamines for ADHD and am in tune with my circuitry when something works or doesn’t work. For example , primo , for me , has a very powerful dopamine release and for someone with adhd too much dopamine is sedating , which is why 800 mg primo isn’t optimal , for mood and everyday life experience.

For neural activation with Masteron there is a unique blend of noradrenaline And dopamine release that heightens focus and drive. In my case , if I take a drug that’s mainly dopamine releasing it just causes me to hyper focus on one thing at best and at worst it sedates me.

Broderick Chavez did a long podcast episode on masteron and his experience with the compound is very similar to mine.

Regarding your points above :

1. Yes my test is low. I would LOVE to run it higher but I can’t tolerate it. My mood gets very unstable. And I think that’s mainly from aromatization. How much ? Wt 250 test and 600 primo my e2 is 90. This is at mid teens body fat. When I started TRT at 100mg per week , with no AAS, I was running 1mg arimidex 3x per week to have my e2 in mid 30s.

It’s not just the e2 conversion. I think just the overall androgenic sides don’t agree with me. I get bloat , leg swelling etc. all else kept the same. Diet. Ancillaries etc.

Hey man, im wondering if you could go a little deeper into what you mean by primo having a dopamine release / mast having a noradrenaline release and how it affects your adhd. I also have gone through the whole list of stimulant medications for my adhd, definitely not for me but I'm curious about how my cycle might make a difference.

Personally, when I'm off cycle I have these kinds of daydreams while I drive, I guess you'd call it stimming. I can visualize my future, I find motivation through these kinds of daydreams if that makes sense. On 500mg test, not only do I aromatize like crazy but these daydreams are nowhere to be found, no stimming. However when im on Adderall all I do all day is have these daydreams and stim, its too much. Do you feel something similar? Have you found a sweet in between? Thanks in advance for any input brother.

 

[Jaxino]

Hi guys

Wanted to get your thoughts on whether or not I’m wasting money here keeping low dose primo

I’ve run primo pretty much year round , with 250-300 dose being my cruise dose (vs 175 test ) and taking it up to 800+ for blasts.

Now I am doing a lean bulk cycle with deca being the main driver of anabolism. First time running deca. Second week in for deca, which is replacing NPP.

Test-c 175 mg
Deca 400mg
Mast -E 800mg ((for mental benefits and some neural activation)
NPP currently 10mg/day , have tapered it from 60mg per day with addition of deca. I have elbow issues so keeping NPP 10mg until deca kicks in.
Primo 175. This is not enough for AI , I still use Aromasin 12.5 eod.
6ius of growth daily

Question: Would you guys pull out the primo ? I may need to up the Aromasin (I don’t get e2 lowering from mast ) I’ve never ran mast as the only dht. Always had primo or primo + mast.

The only reason I kept The primo is to transition into sports TRT later on (ie a cruise ). With 175
Test 175 primo , 100 deca 150 mast. Not having to load it back in

But wondering if there’s any merit to keeping primo in there. I’ve always feelt primo acted strongest (after winstrol ) on dopamine and Masteron acts stronger on adrenaline. So this cocktail maybe optimized for me mentally but I’m not sure if there are any physical benefits to
Keeping it ? Thinking of saving the money and just using the primo on the next cut.

In all honesty if you will get any decent results will be a miracle.

Why running 26637474 AAS when you could just run HGH High Test Primo maybe an AI and gain real size.

Reinventing the wheel never worked.

 

[Jaxino]

> biohacking

> social media steroid gurus

I really hate 2024.

How can people even trust a fat fuck like Chavez, he is full of shit.

As i said reinventing the wheel never worked.

 

[y777]

In all honesty if you will get any decent results will be a miracle.

Why running 26637474 AAS when you could just run HGH High Test Primo maybe an AI and gain real size.

Reinventing the wheel never worked.

I agree. Primo and HGH is great but given the shortage , my own stock , and unknown outlook for primo supply , I’m much more inclined to build a stack with multiple compounds. Plus , given a joint injury this year I’ve become a huge fan of running deca , whether cruising or blasting.

 

[brutalbuilt]

no

 

[y777]

Hey man, im wondering if you could go a little deeper into what you mean by primo having a dopamine release / mast having a noradrenaline release and how it affects your adhd. I also have gone through the whole list of stimulant medications for my adhd, definitely not for me but I'm curious about how my cycle might make a difference.

Personally, when I'm off cycle I have these kinds of daydreams while I drive, I guess you'd call it stimming. I can visualize my future, I find motivation through these kinds of daydreams if that makes sense. On 500mg test, not only do I aromatize like crazy but these daydreams are nowhere to be found, no stimming. However when im on Adderall all I do all day is have these daydreams and stim, its too much. Do you feel something similar? Have you found a sweet in between? Thanks in advance for any input brother. Mm

E2 raises serotonin and serotonin is the opposite of dopamine. I can’t recall off the top of my head but one of the 5HT receptors when agonized eill
Lower your dopamine levels.

that maybe it for e2 effects

This is how I approach my mental stack:

1. Dopamine. I need a higher baseline dopamine level for my adhd. Only two compounds are as good as pharma amohetamines I have Rx for : Primo and winstrol and tren. Winstrol and tren Unfort aren’t sustainable as a permanent drug but primo is IMO. Tren also boosts adrenaline and not just dopamine IME. This is where you get the trensomnia , elevated HR etc. With primo the mental effects are almost identical for me as Vyvanse. So when running primo I e cut my amphetamine dose down 60-70%.

Too much dopamine for me and I get lethargic , want to nap etc.

Dopamine itself isn’t enough for the motivation , if you’re the inattentive ahdd type. You need adrenaline aka norepinephrine. This comes from Masteron for me. I
Liken this to primo being like dextroamohetamine (right isomer of amphetamine , heavy for
Dopamine only release ) while Masteron is similsr
To just amphetamine with Levoamphetamine, which acts for adrenaline. Right dose of mast and I’m a go getter , I want to move, get things done. Etc etc. I should also add that I don’t get as much mental Cns stim with enanthate but lots with prop. Much less needed for this mental drive. 10-30 mg daily , depending on what else is in the stack.

Finally , one experience I want to mention is to be careful when stacking then with mast and primo if you’re sensitive to dopamine. When I get too much dopamine I get nauseous. This happens when my amph doze was too high or when I added primo to amph. This is how I was able to figure out to titrate down the drug doze when I added primo. Too much dopamine I get tired all the time and above that I get nauseous. Similar
With situation of running tren primo and mast at the same time. Dosage may need to be lower or you need to play around w pharmakinetics such as brew with thick oils like castor and or pin some or all of the compounds subq so they don’t all hit you hard with dopamine release at once.